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Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:59 PM

Maybe there is speculations with how the warrants were obtained?

But here is something that I haven't heard yet? If the FBI didn't get the warrants, Trump and his criminal cronies would have been caught with their hands in Putin's cookie jar?

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Reply Maybe there is speculations with how the warrants were obtained? (Original post)
imanamerican63 Feb 2018 OP
Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #1
asiliveandbreathe Feb 2018 #2
jberryhill Feb 2018 #3
MichMary Feb 2018 #5
jberryhill Feb 2018 #6
MichMary Feb 2018 #9
MichMary Feb 2018 #10
onecaliberal Feb 2018 #4
justgamma Feb 2018 #7
imanamerican63 Feb 2018 #8

Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:00 PM

1. As I said elsewhere, they are not arguing that the traitor isnt a traitor, just that

the intel was gotten incorrectly.

Kinda like the Bush military service letter and Dan Rather story

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:01 PM

2. These FISA warrants are in place to protect the American people - this is the whole point...

They got caught..and they are pissed!!!!

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:16 PM

3. There's nothing wrong with challenging the basis of a warrant

 


In a criminal proceeding, of course one has the right to challenge whether a warrant was issued on probable cause and, if not, to exclude evidence obtained via the warrant.

The problem is, one does that in court, not the media, and in the context of impeachment, it really doesn't matter.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:26 PM

5. What is the standard for getting a warrant?

Specifically from a FISA court? I've heard conflicting reports today on how high that standard is.

And--IF the warrant is thrown out for whatever reason, what will the next step be, in taking you-know-who down?

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Response to MichMary (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:36 PM

6. Probable cause

 

What you may have is some impressive figure like "they approve 99% of all applications", as if that figure is supposed to mean something.

How often does any other court reject a warrant application from a law enforcement agency? A good deal of searches these days are based on electronic warrants which are literally phoned in. It's unusual for a court to reject a warrant application.

Another big deal made about the FISA court in breathless screeds is "there is no opportunity for the other side to object!" Well, again, how the fuck often does that happen in a criminal investigation. If the cops think you are running a gambling parlor in the back room of your establishment, it's not as if you get any kind of notice to appear to challenge the warrant they are going to get before they raid your joint. Again, it takes another perfectly normal thing, and makes it seem strange by conflating what this court does with a trial court.

But, the point remains, if the basis was invalid, the evidence can be thrown out. No one currently charged with a crime in the Mueller investigation is objecting to the basis of the warrants yet, as they haven't gotten very far down the road.

"IF the warrant is thrown out for whatever reason, what will the next step be, in taking you-know-who down?"

That's an entirely different question. It's not as if impeachment follows due process protections for the person being impeached. The relevant question there is "did he do that stuff?" and not "we are going to pretend he didn't do that stuff because the warrant was no good."

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:09 PM

9. Thanks! n/t

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 3, 2018, 09:20 AM

10. I have more questions

Carter Page was under surveillance in 2013. Has he been under surveillance continually since then? Since the warrant has to be renewed every three months, would it be unusual to have a person under surveillance continually for four years, especially if no charges were brought at all during that time? If the surveillance ceased at some point prior to the 2016 campaign, would the existence of a previous warrant be grounds enough to get a new one, when someone is involved in activity relevant to a presidential campaign? Or, would there have to be new probable cause?

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:21 PM

4. They DID get warrants. There is a specific and detailed process for this.

Remember when the pukes were trying to pass this legislation? Their rationale was what are you afraid of? If you're not doing anything wrong it won't matter to you anyway.....

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:03 PM

7. This is how I see it.

Our spies were spying on the Russian spies. I think this is perfectly normal. Then, low and behold, all these Trumpsters start showing up talking to the Russians. They couldn't ignore that, could they?

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Response to justgamma (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:06 PM

8. Exactly!

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