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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAs a veteran of the Watergate Scandal, please allow me to say
that its what you DO NOT KNOW that caused the perps to do what they do. As a relatively trite example, Melania moving out (rumoredly) May have more to do with the impending firestorm concerning treason and sedition than his bogging a porn star which, I may add, is neither new news or unusual for this spray-tanned fakir. In fact you could make a case that its the most normal activity hes performed in years. I say that because I think his perversions are extreme and very disturbing even to those closely associated with him.
In their heart of hearts the perpetrators in the WH are aware of their vulnerabilities to prosecution of crimes which are rarely discussed in America outside law schools and literary fiction. They are aware that the term Benedict Arnold could someday be replaced with the name Donald Trump and are afraid for their lives literally.
Watch the cornered rats carefully for clews to their political apocalypse. You will in fact see it coming...
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Excellent comparison with BA, btw
Also, speaking of the first traitor (not the fakir, in this case), have you seen Turn, Washingtons Spies?
So excellent, and a good bit takes place in your venerable city
Cant recommend it more highly
On Netflix last I checked
And, did you see the Lucian Truscott story along the same lines
Here somewhere
Hope hes right
Edit: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210150782
PCIntern
(25,347 posts)PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)Or at least the leadership. Ryan for sure. A bunch of other members of Congress.
This thing is going to take the whole party down the shithole. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
It has been awesome and evil to see it unfold.
groundloop
(11,488 posts)I'm not saying it won't, I'm just still not convinced that it will either. Who's going to impeach 45*, his repub co-conspirators? Taking legal action against a sitting President, Vice President, and Congressional leadership is totally unprecedented and I can still see quite a few scenarios where this shitstorm manages to blow over. I sure hope I'm wrong, but I'm still not getting my hopes up.
usaf-vet
(6,094 posts)I would hope it would be easier to say who won't get indicted in the repug party. If we don't clean house based on these illegal activities what would it take? Mass murder on the WH lawn?
Delphinus
(11,808 posts)Time will tell - I hope it comes down on the side of justice.
Belated welcome to DU.
PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)Will we? It is my fond hope that we do. Otherwise we're fucked, traveling downstream in the old capitalist river without paddles, cold and wet, and our boat leaky, while the billionaire freaks steam by on a luxury yacht.
Because that's what this is - the coup of the capitalists. Their bid to finally get rid of the New Deal once and for all, subjugate the masses (that's us) into wage slavery and rule us through constant fear of falling with no safety nets. The richest will then be able to live in luxury while we toil in filth, hunger, insecurity and poverty.
They may have done it too soon, though, and some of the institutions are proving a bit more resilient that they thought.
BamaRefugee
(3,476 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)It seems that the DOJ recently, under Trump, increased a policy of taking someone's money and goods if they are thought to have committed a crime. No charges needed, no trial needed, just suspicion.
Mueller won't miss out on that tool.
Link:
DOJ new asset forfeiture policy - police can seize property from people not charged w/crime even in states where it's been banned.
Link to tweet
It's a TRUMP policy!!!!
What is the word for when irony and schadenfreude mate?
rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)Democrats will have to impeach him. For America.
world wide wally
(21,719 posts)citizen blues
(570 posts)In other words, she could be using the porn star scandal as cover to put some distance between her and Donald.
PCIntern
(25,347 posts)As far as SHE was concerned. She knowsfar more than we do so our assumptions as to why something happened may be faulty.
I am quite sure Melania knew of Trump's affairs and probably doesn't care all that much, especially if it means, he leaves her alone. The only way I see her caring, is the public humiliation and the effect it could have on her son. Then again, every day with Trump is a public humiliation.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)The Trojan Horse is no Hindu ascetic.
PCIntern
(25,347 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Clues is the word I think op meant.
MadLinguist
(781 posts)The OP asks us to look for clews. The mammoth hammock supporting the POS POTUS's enormous ass and gargantuan crimes is in fact being supported by a complex set of cords -- being held by players both in and out of the public view. And the beast in the hammock is just as trapped by those clews as he is by the clues pointing to his crimes.
tomg
(2,574 posts)that the word is pretty appropriate ( though I like your logic and imagery and the ops use of it). Originally "clew" initially meant a large ball of tangled thread. It derived from the red ball of thread that Ariadne wove and that she later gave to Theseus so that he could go into the center of the labyrinth, kill the minotaur ( who was her 1/2 brother) and find his way out.
PCIntern
(25,347 posts)Vinca
(50,170 posts)Shoonra
(518 posts)In some ways this Trump scandal is worse than the Watergate scandal.
Primarily, the Watergate scandal was primarily about burglarizing the Democratic HQ, shortly before the convention where McGovern was clearly going to get the nomination. Very bad, but considering that McGovern was already assured of the nomination, and McGovern being McGovern, nobody can pretend that the burglary changed the course of the election. And it was entirely domestic.
On the other hand, the Trump Campaign's rather conspicuous and multiple collusion with Russia, with China, and with various foreign billionaires led to a lot of foreign money subsidizing Trump, foreign internet hackers spreading false reports and, perhaps most important, interfering with Democratic databases, all to help the Trump campaign, with the result that, rather obviously, the course of the election was affected and the current President is now deeply indebted and strongly influenced by foreign mentors whose interests are contrary to the best interests of America. In a manner of speaking, we elected the Manchurian Candidate.
And this is made even worse by the willingness of the Republican Party to obstruct and impugn the FBI, which is trying to explore and prevent this Russian (and other foreign) influence.
PCIntern
(25,347 posts)I was simply discussing the evolution of the motives of the perps
Stuart G
(38,365 posts)and I followed it pretty closely. Here is the most telling similarity............................
The news feels the same in a very specific way: We get one piece of news one day, and then there is another piece of news qualifying or enhancing that same news the next day, or a few days later. And, overall the story does get bigger and bigger, just like Watergate
Were getting it in bits and pieces, but the entire story is getting larger and larger as we hear more. That is exactly the same as "Watergate." So, there was a 15 minute gap in the important tape released during Watergate. The question was and still is," Who erased the tape?" Now, most of us believe today that it was Nixon himself who erased the tape.
So, in a very similar way, "Who was responsible for Russian involvement in the election?" It may come out later, that Trump knew completely that the Russians were helping and he even offered help to fix the election himself. That Trump participated in, and knew about, Russians fixing the election in his favor, would be the ultimate news. Who knows what will come out? One thing is certain, Mr. Mueller and his team know how to investigate this kind of thing..He and his team are not new to this "investigation job" Lots of experience in that team....
.....Actually more experience and knowledge on the "Investigation team," then on the "Trump team" In my opinion Trump figured that out a long time ago, and that is why he wanted to fire Mr. Mueller. He still wants to fire him, but I have a feeling that most of the investigation is done or done enough that the next investigator who comes on, will not have trouble getting indictments ....................and..............
That was exactly the same as "Watergate" ....Once the train got going there was no stopping the investigations, indictments and trials. ..............and eventual jail time for most of Nixon's crowd.....Yes, I believe that will happen the same way now: "indictments, trials, and jail time"
ms liberty
(8,479 posts)Tactical Peek
(1,204 posts)Benedict Donald