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Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:33 PM

Extremely troubling info from Stephanie Miller interview with Adam Schiff

Adam says there is almost no chance, no matter the crimes, of an indictment of the chief traitor.

He didnt expand on whether or not others would be indicted but said the MOST Mueller will do with chief traitor is make a referral to Congress, which as we know means nothing, absolutely nothing will happen.

The question then is would that referral be able to be brought up AGAIN when patriots take control of the house? As in we know the GOP wont do anything about his treason and felonies, but after the election assuming the patriots take control, can that referral be acted on then?

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Reply Extremely troubling info from Stephanie Miller interview with Adam Schiff (Original post)
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 OP
DonaldsRump Jan 2018 #1
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #2
DonaldsRump Jan 2018 #3
Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #4
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #5
Girard442 Jan 2018 #7
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #8
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #12
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #14
delisen Jan 2018 #13
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #18
Girard442 Jan 2018 #6
C_U_L8R Jan 2018 #9
Me. Jan 2018 #10
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2018 #11
lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #15
Iliyah Jan 2018 #16
AlexSFCA Jan 2018 #17
BoneyardDem Jan 2018 #19

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:38 PM

1. Not bad at all

This is exactly what Leon Jaworski did in 1974. He named President Nixon as an unindicted co-conspirator and sent a "bulging briefcase" full of key evidence to Congress for further action. He and his staff were very careful to make it detailed but non-accusatory.

This arises out of Jaworski's firm belief that a sitting US President could not be indicted while in office.

If, for example, Mueller makes a referral in the Summer/Fall, and Congress changes in January 2019, the likelihood of impeachment (but not necessarily conviction) goes WAY up.

I guess you're asking if double jeopardy would apply. I am sure the Repubs would scream this, but I don't think it would apply to Congress in the context of an impeachment.

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Response to DonaldsRump (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:39 PM

2. Very bad if the dems dont win because people dont turn out to vote

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:41 PM

3. Agreed

If we don't win, we are f...ed.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:42 PM

4. Enter Schneiderman?

 

Will they be able to quash his work?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:43 PM

5. There is substantial legal authority holding that a sitting president can't be indicted,

which is probably why he said that. Some legal experts disagree (Laurence Tribe, for example), but that's the conventional legal wisdom. The grand jury that heard evidence in the Watergate crimes designated Nixon an unindicted co-conspirator, and on the basis of that precedent the matter of Nixon's crimes went to the House. What this meant was that the grand jury would have indicted Nixon if he hadn't been president because they concluded he was a participant in the crimes relating to the Watergate break-in. As a result articles of impeachment were drafted, but Nixon resigned before they were voted on by the full House. This is probably what Schiff thinks is more likely to happen with Trump.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:45 PM

7. Even if a sitting president can't be indicted, those around him can be.

Hard to imagine even Trump being cool as his family members are carted off to jail.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:49 PM

8. I hope we get to see Jared and Don Jr. doing the perp walk.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:05 PM

12. He'll just pardon them.

He is drunk with fictional (and non-fictional) power.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:09 PM

14. If they get busted on state (NY) crimes, which sounds possible

because Mueller is giving the NY AG info on state law violations (which correspond to a lot of federal financial crime statutes), he can't pardon them. So maybe they'd wind up in Attica.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:07 PM

13. guess it will have to be for state crimes

because if federal Trump can pardon, no?

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Response to delisen (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:29 PM

18. Yup. Needs to be state

and there should be plenty there!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:43 PM

6. As far as I know, the House can impeach at any time if they have the votes.

I also think that they are not restricted as to what information they can use in their deliberations. Same for the Senate -- except they can't vote to convict until after the House has impeached.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:51 PM

9. The mid-terms

may be a referendum on impeachment. Wild.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:56 PM

10. I Believe The Indictment

would be brought forth after he leaves office

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:57 PM

11. Unindicted co-conspirator. It's not as bad as it sounds.

It simply means Trump won't be criminally indicted off the bat, because of the wishy-washy legal implications of indicting a sitting president while in office. (It would get tied up in court for months and just further belabor the process).

However, it doesn't shut the door on a criminal indictment of Trump once he exits office via removal or resignation. Remember Ford still had to pardon Nixon even though Nixon was never formally indicted up to that point.

It's not as bad as it sounds. It just demonstrates the inherent challenges of proceeding against a sitting president. Unfortunately, we won't see Trump frog marched off White House grounds, but he'd still be looking at the very real chance of facing criminal charges at some point.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:10 PM

15. Schiff doesn't speak for Mueller; he is always extremely cautious.

Cautious to a fault, IMHO. I do like Schiff, but I wish he wouldn't be so shy.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:15 PM

16. One thing I've learned from Mr. Schiff is

when he speaks, people listen. In other words, he's creating a pathway for the house to take note, which may cause a sizeable amount of Republicans in supporting ousting of the ugly American.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:24 PM

17. trump is no nixon, dont count on him resigning

we all know if he canít win heíll bring everyone down with him

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:37 PM

19. So then the strategy is to complete the investigation...all aspects of it.

 

every iota of evidence to be cataloged and cross checked and verified. There should be no question of the veracity any recommendation and charge. Once the 2018 elections are done and we have a majority in the House....THEN make recommendations to Congress.

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