The democrats may have finally figured out how to deal with Trump.

[shockey80]

Trump is a bully, everyone knows it. Trump does not know how to do the job of president. He is fucking clueless. He just tells congress give me a bill I will sign it. He may ask for something to be included but he does not know much about the issues. He simply listens to the people around him and when someone says something that sounds good he will go with it. Trump is incompetent.

The democrats should and must stand their ground at all cost. Trump the bully will not know how to deal with it. He always expects people to cave into his bully tactic. He will be exposed, his incompetence will be exposed. He will look stupid because he is in many ways. Trump will be exposed as a fraud.

No DACA no deal. Lets see how the bully handles it. Trump will be blamed for the shutdown because he is the president. It is up to the president to end and prevent shutdowns.

[BigmanPigman]

1. They also know that they have to communicate with him

via TV news shows. Unbelievable!

[Wellstone ruled]

2. Key problems are

Steve Miller and John Kelly. Trump is susceptible to his conversations with the last person who talks to him.

When Fox News tells him to stop the Show Boating,then he will cave.

[Rollo]

6. Miller is bad, but things were a bit worse before Kelly

But the main problem here is Trump himself.

Elect a Dem majority in Congress in 18, and then elect a new president in 2020.

[Wellstone ruled]

9. Not really,Bannon was on a

self destruct path with McConnell and other Rethugs. He would have been thrown over board by Trump in order to get their Mega Tax give away.

Welcome to White House Reality TV season two.

[Pachamama]

3. Jello

[LakeVermilion]

8. Jello sitting, Jello walking, Jello golfing...

[longship]

18. Jello golfing, only with Mulligans.

[MyOwnPeace]

27. Eeeeewwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!

My eyes, my eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sill y:

[Sophia4]

4. Right. And when the government comes up short, Democrats need to put the blame

where it belongs -- on the Republican tax bill. The plan is that Republicans cut the taxes of those who pay the most taxes and now will scream bloody murder when there is an obvious shortfall when it comes to money to fund the military and other necessities like Social Security, Medicaid (pays for elder care for many Americans who are truly helpless), Medicare and other non-military programs. Republicans will not tax the rich; they will steal money from the poor. That's how they think. Christians? I don't think so.

Democrats have to stay strong and be as strategic in their thinking as the Republicans are. Don't help Republicans pass their budget. Think in the long term.

[gordianot]

5. The only deal Trump knows how to make is criminal.

The only negotiation he makes is to avoid jail time or skirt ethical conduct as long as he can make a profit. His entire life is characterized by serial fraud.

[Rollo]

7. Trump is proud of his greed...

Even his own son (Eric) defends Trump against charges of racism by saying,

"The only color that matters to him is green".

And he didn't mean ecology!

[smirkymonkey]

24. What makes me sick is that he said that as if it was a good thing.

This entire family is obscene. They all need to go and preferably to jail. They are vulgar and disgusting beyond words.

[MyOwnPeace]

28. Yes!

You cut that to the core of the issue - we are being had (some might say f**ked!) and they've gotta' go!

[global1]

10. No DACA - No Deal, No DACA - No Deal, No DACA - No Deal......nt

[grantcart]

19. +1

[shockey80]

11. Trump backed himself into a corner.

He said he wanted the DACA deal and then changed his mind because people told him it would hurt him with the base. This is a great weakness Trump and the republicans have . They are terrified of the monster they created. Their base. This has turned them into liars and extremists.

If the democrats are smart they can take advantage of this weakness.

I like Schumer much better then Reid. Better leader.

[world wide wally]

12. Correction: trump turned into a liar long before he had any base.

[True Blue American]

29. So do I!

I was not sure at the beginning, but having seen Schumer right in Trump’s face, shaking his finger he is not going to back down. Mano To Mano.

[bdamomma]

46. tRump was all for it to sign

whatever they put in front of him, then came his S-hole comments and he backed himself in a corner, showing his revenge by saying "DACA is dead" horrible POS he is. He is jello he is being manipulated by his staff namely Stephen Miller and John Kelly both racists, but the blame is on the repigs all of it.

tRump is just an s-hole and so is Ryan and McConnell, they will sink if they keep this up. Not for a minute do Democrats own this one.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. Call his bluff, every time. Thats how you deal with a bully.

[ginnyinWI]

14. bullying seems to be his only tactic.

Just push people around and yell real loud. When that doesn't work--run and hide! In Donnie's case it is to lie and deny ever doing any such thing.

[erronis]

23. tdump is smart enough to keep sufficient cash on hand to pay lawyers (and prostitutes)

While he may stiff everyone else. (Stiff is not a physiological term in his case, unless chemically induced.)

The first time he stiffs some lawyers, the exits will be jammed by snakes with briefcases.

[MyOwnPeace]

30. Oh, that would be SO sweet!

"The first time he stiffs some lawyers, the exits will be jammed by snakes with briefcases."

Time to bring out the popcorn!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. He's been stiffing his lawyers for years.

That's why so many reputable law firms declined to represent him - that, and the fact that all their other clients would probably run for the exits. He's not far from looking for legal help in the basement of a nail salon in a strip mall in Albuquerque.

[Motley13]

43. He has a hard time getting good lawyers, as they say, "he doesn't listen & he doesn't pay"

they probably ask for their fees up front

[blueinredohio]

15. If Trump would stop listening to Meadows, McConnell, Ryan and others he may be able to make a deal

[Sienna86]

16. Can we throw in long term CHIP funding too, please?

That and Dreamers on my list

[MyOwnPeace]

32. Yes, indeed!

CHIP MUST be part of any "package" (GAWD, I hate using that term relating to anything "Trump!&quot

[jazzcat23]

36. Go back to faux news erl....

[eleny]

20. Dems cannot allow his zero sum game to be successful

If Dems cave he will crow that they're weak. We'll be in a losing battle from here on out.

[samnsara]

21. text RESIST to 50409.. tell your state reps to stand firm..NO DACA NO DEAL

..thank them for standing up to the bully trump

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. Frum: Trump skill not deal-making w powerful counterparts. It's duping gullible victims -tweet

David Frum tweet:

"Regular reminder that Donald Trump’s core competency is not dealmaking with powerful counter-parties. It is duping gullible victims."

[Leith]

35. Exactly!

And that's what he's counting on here: he thinks that Democrats are weak and that we will cave to get something, then he can yank everything from us at the last minute. That's his kind of strategy and he thinks he's good at it.

Wait until he finds out that he and the rethugs can't get everything they want because there is no other political party he can threaten to turn to if Schumer won't deal.

[NewJeffCT]

44. great point

he's made his way through life by hiring small and mid sized contractors and then cheating them out of what was promised and then daring them to sue. And, because they're small to mid sized, they can't afford the elite lawyers that might be needed.

[elmac]

25. they must stand their ground against the fascists

what ever it takes, don't budge an inch.

[pressbox69]

26. Trumpy is helpless

without his guru Roy Cohen to guide him.

[treestar]

31. He is indeed a bully

The usual methods don't even work.

[Pepsidog]

34. Stand firm. Trump is a bully and a coward. No backing down!!

[PBass]

37. Realize this: If this is the "Schumer Shutdown" it means Trump is weaker than Schumer! (NT)

[harun]

38. Asking Dem Leadership not to cave does not leave me optimistic.

It is the correct strategy though.

[randr]

39. Dems will cave by noon

They have already lost the who's fault it is debate, the lsos will brag of this for a whole week

[DownriverDem]

40. Nice

I do not like your tone.

[randr]

45. I don't like the tone of dem leadership

[LiberalLovinLug]

48. More like perhaps you don't like hearing the honest truth

The "cap in hand" strategy of the past is useless against criminals and fascists.

[randr]

50. My best regards to our DU admins

For keeping this site a free site for open discussion

[PJMcK]

41. Good points

I agree with your strategy, shockey80.

I have a minor quibble, however. Please capitalize the "D" in Democrats. It's a proper noun, you know.

[Toorich]

42. Henry Stamper in "Sometimes a Great Notion" said it best...

" Never give a goddammned inch! "

[dlk]

47. Dems Have Hopefully Learned Making Deals With Trump Behind Closed Doors is a Waste of Time

Since Trump lacks any moral compass or any convictions, outside of grabbing as many dollars as possible, he has no problem reneging on deals made behind closed doors. All it takes is one of his staff to come up with any kind of opposition. The most effective way to deal with Trump is out in the open and on camera.

[BobTheSubgenius]

49. One of the problems with being liberal is nuance.

It is not AT ALL a bad thing to understand, and to weigh in one's decision-making, but the GOP has Bumper Sticker Slogan mentality, as does their public at large.

They love that lack of critical thinking, and go with what sounds or feels like the "right" message.