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Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:12 AM

The finger pointing has already begun

and they haven't even shut it down yet.


"IT'S ALL THE DEMOCRATS FAULT THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN", shouted by every repug on the planet.

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Reply The finger pointing has already begun (Original post)
Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 OP
Botany Jan 2018 #1
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #5
yallerdawg Jan 2018 #7
woodsprite Jan 2018 #9
workinclasszero Jan 2018 #15
still_one Jan 2018 #2
Mr. Ected Jan 2018 #3
awesomerwb1 Jan 2018 #4
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #6
Evergreen Emerald Jan 2018 #8
karynnj Jan 2018 #10
Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #11
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #12
Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #13
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #14
Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #16
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #17
Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #18

Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:15 AM

1. Who controls .....

The House? Republicans

The Senate? Republicans

The White House? Republicans

The SCOTUS? Republicans

So if the Government shuts down who is at fault? The Democrats.

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:23 AM

5. e.g. Nobody.

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:25 AM

7. My worry?

They have the majority across the board.

And can't pass what they want.

Because they need a handful of Senate Democrats to pass a lot of legislation.

But now we have precedent. On cabinet appointments, judges, and the Supreme Court Justice.

Ending 60 vote cloture and going to simple majority is the R's end game here.

I believe we are falling into a trap - and the media is promoting it!

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:31 AM

9. I'm going to use that as a basis for my Women's March sign!

Who controls...

The House? Republicans
The Senate? Republicans
The White House? Republicans
The Court? Republicans

How do we fix it?

V O T E !!!

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 02:06 PM

15. Yeah

 

What a joke!

The American people ain't gonna buy that load of BS!

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:19 AM

2. Will the news media give equal time to Democrats to push back on the distortion? Doubtful

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:20 AM

3. IT'S THE ABSENTEE PRESIDENT'S FAULT THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN

Republicans own this. Only in the right wing echo chamber can they convince themselves that the minority party controls the outcome.

Perhaps if the GOP had been willing to work with Dems in the past, the Dems wouldn't have to play hardball.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:21 AM

4. The dems should've seen this coming

As obvious as the sun rising and setting.

I hope they have a plan to counter that narrative.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:24 AM

6. Nothing matters anymore as to the truth. Anyone who still believes anything the GOP says

is unreachable and we wont get their votes nor do we want them.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 11:30 AM

8. the shut down is purposefull to stem the blue wave

The Republicans are attempting to hurt the Dems by blaming them for the shutdown. it is purposeful for political gain. Again, they show that they are willing to dump values, and hurt people to maintain power.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 12:07 PM

10. I'm waiting for phase two of this -- playing one group against another

Imagine the bill fails and the government shuts down. You will have the current argument on who is responsible. What I worry about is that the NEXT step is this argument -- "we gave the Democrats a 6 year extension of CHIP and they did not take it ... because Democrats cared more about DACA. This gets really nasty -- ie -- they care more about immigrants than young American kids. Note that CHIP helps the working poor - many of whom voted for Trump. It will not be hard for them to get very sympathetic families to speak of the Democrats taking away their kids' insurance. This, of course, ignores that the Republicans set this up by NOT renewing CHIP routinely.

I think I am an outlier here in thinking that if it comes to a shutdown by rejecting the House bill, Trump will be helped. Part of the reason is the argument above. The other reason is that Trump already is at a low point and has only his core base. If there is a shut down, and the talk is the shutdown and its affects, CHIP and DACA --- it is better than Russia and money laundering. It could win him back some of the "Reagan Democrats" ( rust belt historically Democratic Trump voters).

I suspect there might be a short shutdown, followed by changing the length of the CR. This would allow the Democrats to give enough votes to get CHIP (at the cost of the deferral of some ACA taxes) with DACA left unsettled, but possibly coming up sooner than in a month.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 01:46 PM

11. To all those pointing out the facts...

I'm with you 100%. I am, however, just pointing out the TRUTH.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 02:02 PM

13. Get back to this after the Sunday morning shows and tell me

who is being blamed by the loudest voices.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 02:04 PM

14. Irrelevent

The fact that Drumpf called up Schumer to "meet" means he is under pressure because it underscores how the GOP cannot "govern".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 02:08 PM

16. Look, I'm on your side...I just believe

you are looking at it through your own little prism.
Even when the Democrats stand up and have a backbone, the noise on Sunday morning will not reflect their steadfastness. I hope I am wrong and America sees thru this sham of a governance.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 02:14 PM

17. I am a retired fed

There is no "little prism" involved but a BIG reality from 30+ years at this.

Schumer is a snake and he is dealing with another snake. If whatever Schumer tells him convinces him that he is "winning", he'll go for it.... and Schumer knows that.

And I think you put too much emphasis on "Sunday Political Shows" that 90% of the population does NOT watch. They are not junkies like the people on DU and they have said over and over that they want "both sides" to "work together" and if they see the GOP suddenly refusing to do so after they actually HAD a "bipartisan agreement", then they are going to lay the blame appropriately vs what the talking heads might blab about.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 02:19 PM

18. Ok, thank you. We will both wait and see.

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