Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:29 PM
cornball 24 (1,284 posts)
Wait a minute-Dump is in EXCELLENT HEALTH! His cardiac calcium score is 130! I just
had the coronary calcium CT scan a month ago and my score was 12. I'm 76. My doc did not put me on meds but told me to watch my diet. Weather permitting, I walk two miles 4/5 times a week. Doc will send me for annual testing to keep an eye on ticker. And Dump is in EXCELLENT HEALTH!!!
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cornball 24 | Jan 2018 | OP |
malaise | Jan 2018 | #1 | |
Bernardo de La Paz | Jan 2018 | #15 | |
malaise | Jan 2018 | #19 | |
Virtual Burlesque | Jan 2018 | #39 | |
malaise | Jan 2018 | #41 | |
klook | Jan 2018 | #22 | |
not fooled | Jan 2018 | #25 | |
malaise | Jan 2018 | #27 | |
NCTraveler | Jan 2018 | #2 | |
marylandblue | Jan 2018 | #3 | |
rzemanfl | Jan 2018 | #5 | |
marylandblue | Jan 2018 | #9 | |
klook | Jan 2018 | #23 | |
lapfog_1 | Jan 2018 | #4 | |
Hawaii Hiker | Jan 2018 | #6 | |
Kaleva | Jan 2018 | #7 | |
Squinch | Jan 2018 | #10 | |
lagomorph777 | Jan 2018 | #11 | |
localroger | Jan 2018 | #13 | |
n2doc | Jan 2018 | #14 | |
not fooled | Jan 2018 | #28 | |
dhol82 | Jan 2018 | #29 | |
SoCalDem | Jan 2018 | #43 | |
uponit7771 | Jan 2018 | #8 | |
womanofthehills | Jan 2018 | #35 | |
uponit7771 | Jan 2018 | #42 | |
Hawaii Hiker | Jan 2018 | #12 | |
localroger | Jan 2018 | #16 | |
Augiedog | Jan 2018 | #17 | |
Cryptoad | Jan 2018 | #18 | |
malaise | Jan 2018 | #20 | |
getagrip_already | Jan 2018 | #24 | |
Drahthaardogs | Jan 2018 | #21 | |
localroger | Jan 2018 | #26 | |
Timmygoat | Jan 2018 | #30 | |
not fooled | Jan 2018 | #33 | |
SoCalDem | Jan 2018 | #44 | |
Drahthaardogs | Jan 2018 | #31 | |
chillfactor | Jan 2018 | #38 | |
Drahthaardogs | Jan 2018 | #40 | |
ProudLib72 | Jan 2018 | #32 | |
spedtr90 | Jan 2018 | #34 | |
Ilsa | Jan 2018 | #36 | |
chillfactor | Jan 2018 | #37 |
Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:30 PM
malaise (244,275 posts)
1. Gupta asked about the use of the word excellent yesterday
based on this simple fact.
You can only fool the sheeple and not forever. |
Response to malaise (Reply #1)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:18 PM
Bernardo de La Paz (41,716 posts)
15. "chance of having a heart attack is moderate to high" is NOT excellent.
Calcium score 101 to 400
A moderate amount of plaque is present. You have heart disease, and plaque may be blocking an artery. Your chance of having a heart attack is moderate to high. Your health professional may want more tests and may start treatment. |
Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #15)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:28 PM
malaise (244,275 posts)
19. Well a doctor spun that as excellent
and great genes and a pile of other crap.
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Response to malaise (Reply #19)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:30 PM
Virtual Burlesque (132 posts)
39. Great Western Garment jeans, extra, extra, extra, extra, extra, wide in the ass. (eom)
Response to Virtual Burlesque (Reply #39)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:32 PM
malaise (244,275 posts)
41. Ha
but those good jeans can't fit him
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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #15)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:37 PM
klook (10,960 posts)
22. Arterial plaque buildup can lead to cognitive impairment.
Response to malaise (Reply #1)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:45 PM
not fooled (5,097 posts)
25. That press conference
had as much credibility as raygun's hair color.
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Response to not fooled (Reply #25)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:47 PM
malaise (244,275 posts)
27. ROFL
Perfect
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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:31 PM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
2. 76 and doing two miles four to five times a week.
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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:32 PM
marylandblue (12,344 posts)
3. Just looked that up
A score over 100 means you have moderate plaque and are considered to have heart disease.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #3)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:35 PM
rzemanfl (28,936 posts)
5. "Plaque" the plague of Drumpf is far more than moderate, also you overshot "e." n/t
Response to rzemanfl (Reply #5)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:58 PM
marylandblue (12,344 posts)
9. Thanks, Freudian slip of the thumb there, fixed it.
Response to marylandblue (Reply #9)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:37 PM
klook (10,960 posts)
23. "Moderate plague" -- those were the good old days! (nt)
Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:34 PM
lapfog_1 (26,572 posts)
4. just so others don't have to google it
101-400: Definite, at least moderate atherosclerotic plaque. Mild coronary artery disease highly likely.
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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:37 PM
Hawaii Hiker (3,147 posts)
6. Calcium scoring
https://www.umm.edu/programs/diagnosticrad/services/technology/ct/cardiac-calcium-scoring
A well known case, Tim Russert, had a calcium score of 210 in 1998 when he was 48 yrs old....He died a decade later... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/health/24hear.html |
Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:42 PM
Kaleva (30,269 posts)
7. High risk of heart attack or heart disease within 3-5 years
In 2009, his score was 34
In 2013, his score was 98 Now it's 133. Looking good! |
Response to Kaleva (Reply #7)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:39 PM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
11. We should ask the WH staff to make sure there is a cheeseburger in front of him everywhere he goes.
On the desk in the Oval Office.
Next to the Oval Orifice in the bathroom. Arranged in a lovely pyramid on the golden pillow in the bedroom. At every seat in the conference room. Piled up on the tray table in Marine 1. Tell him that the highest score wins and get him to compete with Chris Christie. |
Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #11)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:08 PM
localroger (2,839 posts)
13. We must teach them to make it just like McDonald's. /nt
Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #11)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:17 PM
n2doc (47,953 posts)
14. Gotta be the real thing
With lots of extra salt. And Coke.
And alternate with a bucket of KFC's finest extra crispy. Only the best for him! |
Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #11)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:48 PM
not fooled (5,097 posts)
28. And remember
all those doctors talking about risk factors for heart disease are just babbling killjoys spouting fake science.
Go ahead and indulge yourself, donnie. You know you deserve it. ![]() |
Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #11)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:48 PM
dhol82 (9,157 posts)
29. And supersize it!
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Response to Kaleva (Reply #7)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 08:07 PM
SoCalDem (103,856 posts)
43. He DOES like things bigger...
his arterial reviews are HUUUUUUUGE !
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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:49 PM
uponit7771 (85,058 posts)
8. I pray when I'm 76 I can walk 2 miles 4/5 times a week, way to keep health up and yeah my LDL was
... 120 and I was put on a staton
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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #8)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:18 PM
womanofthehills (6,326 posts)
35. 120 is near optimal ???????
Response to womanofthehills (Reply #35)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 07:26 PM
uponit7771 (85,058 posts)
42. No, it's border line really bad for the LDL ... HDL was low too but combine was less than 200 so she
... didn't have her hair on fire.
I'm trying to lose weight because BMI is too high, I can see where Red Don would be 240 lbs but that would mean he's basically a bag fat which would explain his very slow speed of processing and horrible working memory. |
Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:47 PM
Hawaii Hiker (3,147 posts)
12. NYT article on this
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/17/us/politics/trump-physical-heart-health-cholesterol.htm
"Dr. Topol disagreed with Dr. Gupta about the calcium test, which measures the amount of plaque containing calcium in a person’s blood. Higher numbers indicate the development of coronary artery disease, which could lead to dangerous blockages in the heart. But Dr. Topol said he would not be concerned unless a patient of Mr. Trump’s age came to him with calcium levels of 700 or more. “That tells you there’s some calcium,” he said. “It doesn’t tell you whether that’s inside or outside the arteries. That doesn’t tell me the risk.” |
Response to Hawaii Hiker (Reply #12)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:23 PM
localroger (2,839 posts)
16. The real reason he's not concerned is a cost/benefit analysis
...and the fact that at 76, Trump isn't very likely to live more than another 10-15 years even if his health is perfect. The test result represents a cumulative risk per year, and a young person has more future years over which to integrate that risk if it isn't addressed.
My cardiologist (I got a spiffy new stent for my 50th birthday, 4 years ago) told me it's all about whether to cath. An angiogram is the only test that is definitive as to whether you are in danger, but it's invasive and costs tens of thousands of dollars. (It also provides for some service possibilities, such as the aforementioned stent.) My doctor told me that all the other tests are iffy at best. He said he recently had a patient pass a nuclear stress test, a different kind of scan which measures blood flow in the different areas of the heart at rest and under stress, with flying colors. This is a more expensive and "better" test for Coronary Artery Disease than the calcium scan. Dude still had a heart attack two weeks later. But at Trump's age, you have to justify the cost and possible dangerous complications of a cath. (Angiograms are called "caths" after the catheter which is used to thread your arteries.) At 50, it was worth taking me to the cath lab on the basis of a few numbers that were way out of whack. For someone closer to their natural life expectancy, you have to be much more certain you're addressing an immediate risk to justify the cost and risks of the procedure. |
Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:23 PM
Augiedog (2,351 posts)
17. All you have to do is look at trump, which I try not to do, and you know he is one biscuit from XXX
Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:27 PM
Cryptoad (8,254 posts)
18. ONly thing I can figure would cause a well respected Naval Doctor to lie,,,
is a new fat off-shore bank account....... ,heh?
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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #18)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:33 PM
malaise (244,275 posts)
20. or a secret you want to remain
private
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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #18)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:38 PM
getagrip_already (8,710 posts)
24. or..
orders. he is duty bound to follow orders. No exceptions except if the order is illegal in a military code of conduct sense, and there isn't any indication this would be....
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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:34 PM
Drahthaardogs (6,843 posts)
21. That's actually pretty good for a 71 year old
I hate to say it.
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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #21)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:46 PM
localroger (2,839 posts)
26. It's only 'good' because he doesn't have that long to live anyway
Trump's score indicates the same likely risk per future year as it would for a 50-year-old, but the 50 year old has a lot more future years over which to integrate that risk, so it makes more sense economically to spend $30K performing an angiogram on him just in case something really is seriously wrong.
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Response to localroger (Reply #26)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:51 PM
Timmygoat (779 posts)
30. Did anyone else
feel uncomfortable watching the doctor giving the press conference, he seemed nervous and unsure of himself, the way he kept repeating 'you know', could he possible have been coerced to give Trump a better report than he should have.
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Response to Timmygoat (Reply #30)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:03 PM
not fooled (5,097 posts)
33. Yes
my reaction exactly. He looked sweaty and nervous.
Just more coerced propaganda from the pukes. Great Leader is infallible! Bet he didn't have to pull any stunts after President Obama's physicals. Oh, and the affair devolved into outright creepiness when the good dr. started talking about dump's "good genes". Eerily disturbing after all the recent racism. ![]() |
Response to Timmygoat (Reply #30)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 08:10 PM
SoCalDem (103,856 posts)
44. Hostage video came to mind..
He's military and pres (even a dumbshit pres is commander in chief
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Response to localroger (Reply #26)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:53 PM
Drahthaardogs (6,843 posts)
31. I've had the test myself several times,
Calcium build up in the arteries over time as we move into old age is natural. Women's breast get calcium too. You look at the ten year risk number. For a guy in his seventies, this is a good score.
I understand the disappointed people, but that's not a bad score. |
Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #21)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:26 PM
chillfactor (6,864 posts)
38. NO!
Normal calcium levels in the blood range from 8.8 to 10.4 mg/dL in adults.
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Response to chillfactor (Reply #38)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:31 PM
Drahthaardogs (6,843 posts)
40. Stop. Just....stop.
You are not even in the same county let alone ballpark.
Calcium scoring has nothing to with blood calcium levels. Soft plaques are fatty and unstable. Over time, they tend to calcify. This test measures arterial calcium which should correlate to plaques. |
Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:59 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
32. Bigliest ever cardiac calcium score! Look for it to be framed and placed on his picture wall
along with the fake Times cover.
Why will no reporter ask what handicap the doctor gave him? He scored 130 with a handicap of 100. ![]() |
Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:07 PM
spedtr90 (711 posts)
34. Mayo Clinic on scores
"A score of 100 to 300 — moderate plaque deposition — is associated with a relatively high risk of heart attack or other heart disease over the next three to five years."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/heart-scan/about/pac-20384686 |
Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:21 PM
Ilsa (59,324 posts)
36. We should send KFC and McDonalds coupons and gift cards to DOTUS. nt
Response to cornball 24 (Original post)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:24 PM
chillfactor (6,864 posts)
37. My last physical...
my calcium level was 9.2 and I am also 76. Thus my calcium level was very much within normal range. The orange one is WAY above normal. Normal calcium levels in the blood range from 8.8 to 10.4 mg/dL in adults.
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