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Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:29 PM

Wait a minute-Dump is in EXCELLENT HEALTH! His cardiac calcium score is 130! I just

had the coronary calcium CT scan a month ago and my score was 12. I'm 76. My doc did not put me on meds but told me to watch my diet. Weather permitting, I walk two miles 4/5 times a week. Doc will send me for annual testing to keep an eye on ticker. And Dump is in EXCELLENT HEALTH!!!

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Reply Wait a minute-Dump is in EXCELLENT HEALTH! His cardiac calcium score is 130! I just (Original post)
cornball 24 Jan 2018 OP
malaise Jan 2018 #1
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #15
malaise Jan 2018 #19
Virtual Burlesque Jan 2018 #39
malaise Jan 2018 #41
klook Jan 2018 #22
not fooled Jan 2018 #25
malaise Jan 2018 #27
NCTraveler Jan 2018 #2
marylandblue Jan 2018 #3
rzemanfl Jan 2018 #5
marylandblue Jan 2018 #9
klook Jan 2018 #23
lapfog_1 Jan 2018 #4
Hawaii Hiker Jan 2018 #6
Kaleva Jan 2018 #7
LineLineReply .
Squinch Jan 2018 #10
lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #11
localroger Jan 2018 #13
n2doc Jan 2018 #14
not fooled Jan 2018 #28
dhol82 Jan 2018 #29
SoCalDem Jan 2018 #43
uponit7771 Jan 2018 #8
womanofthehills Jan 2018 #35
uponit7771 Jan 2018 #42
Hawaii Hiker Jan 2018 #12
localroger Jan 2018 #16
Augiedog Jan 2018 #17
Cryptoad Jan 2018 #18
malaise Jan 2018 #20
getagrip_already Jan 2018 #24
Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #21
localroger Jan 2018 #26
Timmygoat Jan 2018 #30
not fooled Jan 2018 #33
SoCalDem Jan 2018 #44
Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #31
chillfactor Jan 2018 #38
Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #40
ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #32
spedtr90 Jan 2018 #34
Ilsa Jan 2018 #36
chillfactor Jan 2018 #37

Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:30 PM

1. Gupta asked about the use of the word excellent yesterday

based on this simple fact.
You can only fool the sheeple and not forever.

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:18 PM

15. "chance of having a heart attack is moderate to high" is NOT excellent.

Calcium score 101 to 400

A moderate amount of plaque is present. You have heart disease, and plaque may be blocking an artery. Your chance of having a heart attack is moderate to high. Your health professional may want more tests and may start treatment.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:28 PM

19. Well a doctor spun that as excellent

and great genes and a pile of other crap.

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Response to malaise (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:30 PM

39. Great Western Garment jeans, extra, extra, extra, extra, extra, wide in the ass. (eom)

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Response to Virtual Burlesque (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:32 PM

41. Ha

but those good jeans can't fit him

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:37 PM

22. Arterial plaque buildup can lead to cognitive impairment.

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:45 PM

25. That press conference

had as much credibility as raygun's hair color.

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Response to not fooled (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:47 PM

27. ROFL

Perfect

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:31 PM

2. 76 and doing two miles four to five times a week.

 

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:32 PM

3. Just looked that up

A score over 100 means you have moderate plaque and are considered to have heart disease.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:35 PM

5. "Plaque" the plague of Drumpf is far more than moderate, also you overshot "e." n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:58 PM

9. Thanks, Freudian slip of the thumb there, fixed it.

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:37 PM

23. "Moderate plague" -- those were the good old days! (nt)

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:34 PM

4. just so others don't have to google it

101-400: Definite, at least moderate atherosclerotic plaque. Mild coronary artery disease highly likely.

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:37 PM

6. Calcium scoring

https://www.umm.edu/programs/diagnosticrad/services/technology/ct/cardiac-calcium-scoring

A well known case, Tim Russert, had a calcium score of 210 in 1998 when he was 48 yrs old....He died a decade later...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/health/24hear.html

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:42 PM

7. High risk of heart attack or heart disease within 3-5 years

In 2009, his score was 34

In 2013, his score was 98

Now it's 133.

Looking good!

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:33 PM

10. .

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:39 PM

11. We should ask the WH staff to make sure there is a cheeseburger in front of him everywhere he goes.

On the desk in the Oval Office.
Next to the Oval Orifice in the bathroom.
Arranged in a lovely pyramid on the golden pillow in the bedroom.
At every seat in the conference room.
Piled up on the tray table in Marine 1.

Tell him that the highest score wins and get him to compete with Chris Christie.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:08 PM

13. We must teach them to make it just like McDonald's. /nt

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:17 PM

14. Gotta be the real thing

With lots of extra salt. And Coke.

And alternate with a bucket of KFC's finest extra crispy.

Only the best for him!

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:48 PM

28. And remember

all those doctors talking about risk factors for heart disease are just babbling killjoys spouting fake science.

Go ahead and indulge yourself, donnie. You know you deserve it.


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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:48 PM

29. And supersize it!

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 08:07 PM

43. He DOES like things bigger...

his arterial reviews are HUUUUUUUGE !

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:49 PM

8. I pray when I'm 76 I can walk 2 miles 4/5 times a week, way to keep health up and yeah my LDL was

... 120 and I was put on a staton

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:18 PM

35. 120 is near optimal ???????

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 07:26 PM

42. No, it's border line really bad for the LDL ... HDL was low too but combine was less than 200 so she

... didn't have her hair on fire.

I'm trying to lose weight because BMI is too high, I can see where Red Don would be 240 lbs but that would mean he's basically a bag fat which would explain his very slow speed of processing and horrible working memory.

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:47 PM

12. NYT article on this

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/17/us/politics/trump-physical-heart-health-cholesterol.htm

"Dr. Topol disagreed with Dr. Gupta about the calcium test, which measures the amount of plaque containing calcium in a person’s blood. Higher numbers indicate the development of coronary artery disease, which could lead to dangerous blockages in the heart.

But Dr. Topol said he would not be concerned unless a patient of Mr. Trump’s age came to him with calcium levels of 700 or more.

“That tells you there’s some calcium,” he said. “It doesn’t tell you whether that’s inside or outside the arteries. That doesn’t tell me the risk.”

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Response to Hawaii Hiker (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:23 PM

16. The real reason he's not concerned is a cost/benefit analysis

...and the fact that at 76, Trump isn't very likely to live more than another 10-15 years even if his health is perfect. The test result represents a cumulative risk per year, and a young person has more future years over which to integrate that risk if it isn't addressed.

My cardiologist (I got a spiffy new stent for my 50th birthday, 4 years ago) told me it's all about whether to cath. An angiogram is the only test that is definitive as to whether you are in danger, but it's invasive and costs tens of thousands of dollars. (It also provides for some service possibilities, such as the aforementioned stent.)

My doctor told me that all the other tests are iffy at best. He said he recently had a patient pass a nuclear stress test, a different kind of scan which measures blood flow in the different areas of the heart at rest and under stress, with flying colors. This is a more expensive and "better" test for Coronary Artery Disease than the calcium scan. Dude still had a heart attack two weeks later.

But at Trump's age, you have to justify the cost and possible dangerous complications of a cath. (Angiograms are called "caths" after the catheter which is used to thread your arteries.) At 50, it was worth taking me to the cath lab on the basis of a few numbers that were way out of whack. For someone closer to their natural life expectancy, you have to be much more certain you're addressing an immediate risk to justify the cost and risks of the procedure.

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:23 PM

17. All you have to do is look at trump, which I try not to do, and you know he is one biscuit from XXX

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:27 PM

18. ONly thing I can figure would cause a well respected Naval Doctor to lie,,,

is a new fat off-shore bank account....... ,heh?

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:33 PM

20. or a secret you want to remain

private

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:38 PM

24. or..

orders. he is duty bound to follow orders. No exceptions except if the order is illegal in a military code of conduct sense, and there isn't any indication this would be....

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:34 PM

21. That's actually pretty good for a 71 year old

I hate to say it.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:46 PM

26. It's only 'good' because he doesn't have that long to live anyway

Trump's score indicates the same likely risk per future year as it would for a 50-year-old, but the 50 year old has a lot more future years over which to integrate that risk, so it makes more sense economically to spend $30K performing an angiogram on him just in case something really is seriously wrong.

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Response to localroger (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:51 PM

30. Did anyone else

feel uncomfortable watching the doctor giving the press conference, he seemed nervous and unsure of himself, the way he kept repeating 'you know', could he possible have been coerced to give Trump a better report than he should have.

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Response to Timmygoat (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:03 PM

33. Yes

my reaction exactly. He looked sweaty and nervous.

Just more coerced propaganda from the pukes. Great Leader is infallible!


Bet he didn't have to pull any stunts after President Obama's physicals.

Oh, and the affair devolved into outright creepiness when the good dr. started talking about dump's "good genes". Eerily disturbing after all the recent racism.



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Response to Timmygoat (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 08:10 PM

44. Hostage video came to mind..

He's military and pres (even a dumbshit pres is commander in chief

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Response to localroger (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:53 PM

31. I've had the test myself several times,

Calcium build up in the arteries over time as we move into old age is natural. Women's breast get calcium too. You look at the ten year risk number. For a guy in his seventies, this is a good score.

I understand the disappointed people, but that's not a bad score.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:26 PM

38. NO!

Normal calcium levels in the blood range from 8.8 to 10.4 mg/dL in adults.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:31 PM

40. Stop. Just....stop.

You are not even in the same county let alone ballpark.

Calcium scoring has nothing to with blood calcium levels. Soft plaques are fatty and unstable. Over time, they tend to calcify. This test measures arterial calcium which should correlate to plaques.

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 05:59 PM

32. Bigliest ever cardiac calcium score! Look for it to be framed and placed on his picture wall

along with the fake Times cover.

Why will no reporter ask what handicap the doctor gave him? He scored 130 with a handicap of 100.

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:07 PM

34. Mayo Clinic on scores

"A score of 100 to 300 — moderate plaque deposition — is associated with a relatively high risk of heart attack or other heart disease over the next three to five years."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/heart-scan/about/pac-20384686

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:21 PM

36. We should send KFC and McDonalds coupons and gift cards to DOTUS. nt

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Response to cornball 24 (Original post)

Wed Jan 17, 2018, 06:24 PM

37. My last physical...

my calcium level was 9.2 and I am also 76. Thus my calcium level was very much within normal range. The orange one is WAY above normal. Normal calcium levels in the blood range from 8.8 to 10.4 mg/dL in adults.

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