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(2,593 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,916 posts)klook
(12,151 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,916 posts)But Kaepernick didn't see a difference between Trump and Hillary. In fact, I think the "white moderate" in that quote is a subtle callout of Hillary on the part of Kaepernick.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I wish "people of good will" really were...because if they were equality and all inclusiveness would be a given...not STILL striven for.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)We see arguments HERE and elsewhere ALL the time from progressives that economic issues should take precedent over all others.
democrank
(11,085 posts)Rise up or take a knee....do something!
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)that many of the people who should be taking this to heart think this does not apply to them
EVEN AS they limit their support of Kaepernick to defending his right to free speech.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)I dont care if he has a job or not, so Im not going to lobby a team to hire him.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)Well, yes, if you care about racism, you should care about whether he has a job because the ONLY reason he does not is RACISM.
But there is an area even more fundamental where he deserves your support and that is in the merits of his message. To deny that cops intentionally target young black males as a matter of policy is to deny that racism is an institutional feature of society in this country and to deny that is to deny exactly what Dr. King fought for.
mythology
(9,527 posts)And those players have jobs, I don't think you can blame racism for Kaepernick not having a job. He's not a particularly good quarterback, with a limited and different skill set than most NFL quarterbacks. He's at best a backup, but he's a backup that would require most teams to radically change their offense. There are only a handful of teams who fit his skills.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)can also be distinguished from Kaepernick because they have either made no statement about the merits of his protests (leaving open the possibility that they are standing in solidarity with Kaepernick and his right to free speech -- which actually isn't even implicated here from a constitutional perspective, but that's another story -- as opposed to with his message) or the statements they have made do not call the American system into question, merely the actions of "bad apple" cops/departments etc. That makes those players much more palatable to white folks.
The debate about his skill set is a diversion.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Anything that is used to obfuscate the central message is meant to confuse the message.
His message was not connected to whether he has or can get a job.
And does he have to have been beaten violently himself to have the right to kneel in protest?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)If he was, teams would hire him
Winning and profits rule.
roscoeroscoe
(1,369 posts)This is Trump time; Trump actually made Kaeperkick's collusion case easier by bragging that he convinced owners not to hire him.
A couple teams were looking to bring him in but owners seem to have overruled the GMs.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)The conspiracy theory.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)More power to Kap if he wants to work with BLM BUT I already support them. Personally, he means nothing to me and I wouldnt care if he disappeared tomorrow.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Too soon?!
Not now.
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oberliner
(58,724 posts)mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)Heard it from my own family.. what do "they" want? my aunt said one Thanksgiving.. Well, for starters, the right to vote. My good ole mom always had an answer.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)At that point in time MLK was a softer 'non violent' person where as Malcolm X was the 'by any means necessary'... but Malcolm did change his stance before he died when he saw that there were kind White folk in Mecca. That changed his outlook.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Whereas Malcom X - not so much.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Back then, I was a kid trying to make heads or tells out of the whole thing. It scared me to death. But today I think Malcolm X is the bomb.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Maybe it's only because it was televised and we could see the horrendous treatment of peaceful demonstrators that it stands out as one of the most violent times for me. I watched it on my television, just like I watched the Vietnam war. Now that I think of it our human rights history has been a long history of extreme violence.
dlk
(11,512 posts)Too often what plays as "moderate" is merely racism and bigotry "lite."
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Governor Bruce Babbitt (D) created a paid state MLK holiday the last year he was in office. One of the first things newly elected Governor Evan Mecham (R) did was rescind the holiday, under the guise that Babbitt's EO was illegal.
After I left Arizona, they had another election to create a paid state MLK holiday that went down to defeat (which was the second time, I believe). Then the NFL pulled an upcoming Super Bowl from Arizona. They had a third vote on the holiday and it finally passed. The NFL awarded Arizona Super Bowl XXX after that.
rogue emissary
(3,147 posts)-Martin Luther King Jr. President of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference