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Colin Kaepernick's MLK Day Tweet: (Original Post) kpete Jan 2018 OP
K&R jpak Jan 2018 #1
This MLK quote perfectly reflects Kaepernick's stance. Laurian Jan 2018 #2
Do you think MLK would have voted for Hillary? Dr. Strange Jan 2018 #30
Do you think MLK would have voted for Trump? klook Jan 2018 #35
No. I think MLK would have voted for Hillary. Dr. Strange Jan 2018 #36
I wish heaven05 Jan 2018 #3
Well said pangaia Jan 2018 #16
Hell, we cant even get SOME so called progressives on board how do we expect to get cons? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #27
Recommended democrank Jan 2018 #4
Dare I say GaryCnf Jan 2018 #5
What other support do I owe Kaepernick? Loki Liesmith Jan 2018 #9
What other support do you owe him? GaryCnf Jan 2018 #12
Given other players knelt during the anthem mythology Jan 2018 #14
Can I suggest that other players wo have knelt GaryCnf Jan 2018 #15
Right. Any debate other than why he knelt is a diversion. lunatica Jan 2018 #21
"He's not a particularly good quarterback ..." left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #18
Um, no roscoeroscoe Jan 2018 #26
Aha ! left-of-center2012 Jan 2018 #28
I dont care if a mediocre quarterback has a job or not Loki Liesmith Jan 2018 #31
Just like gun violence. SCVDem Jan 2018 #6
Always. Iggo Jan 2018 #17
K&R Solomon Jan 2018 #7
K&R. Paladin Jan 2018 #8
People forget that most white people did not like MLK when he was alive oberliner Jan 2018 #10
That's true. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #13
'They' placed MLK in the same mode with Malcom X... Stellar Jan 2018 #19
But now MLK is almost universally praised by white people oberliner Jan 2018 #20
That's true. Stellar Jan 2018 #34
It was one of the most violent times in our history lunatica Jan 2018 #23
Sadly, There Was Tremendous Resistance to Making MLK's Birthday a Holiday dlk Jan 2018 #11
I lived in Arizona when Governor Evan Mecham rescinded an EO creating a state MLK holiday SFnomad Jan 2018 #24
Hilarious a guy using King's words but not listening to King's words. rogue emissary Jan 2018 #22
Which room should we go to? Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #25
As for me. . . DinahMoeHum Jan 2018 #29
Agreed Gothmog Jan 2018 #33
+1000000000!!!! Initech Jan 2018 #37
Great meme Gothmog Jan 2018 #32

Dr. Strange

(25,916 posts)
36. No. I think MLK would have voted for Hillary.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 01:02 AM
Jan 2018

But Kaepernick didn't see a difference between Trump and Hillary. In fact, I think the "white moderate" in that quote is a subtle callout of Hillary on the part of Kaepernick.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
3. I wish
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 09:26 AM
Jan 2018

I wish "people of good will" really were...because if they were equality and all inclusiveness would be a given...not STILL striven for.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
27. Hell, we cant even get SOME so called progressives on board how do we expect to get cons?
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:32 PM
Jan 2018

We see arguments HERE and elsewhere ALL the time from progressives that economic issues should take precedent over all others.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
5. Dare I say
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 10:02 AM
Jan 2018

that many of the people who should be taking this to heart think this does not apply to them

EVEN AS they limit their support of Kaepernick to defending his right to free speech.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
9. What other support do I owe Kaepernick?
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 10:28 AM
Jan 2018

I don’t care if he has a job or not, so I’m not going to lobby a team to hire him.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
12. What other support do you owe him?
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 11:03 AM
Jan 2018

Well, yes, if you care about racism, you should care about whether he has a job because the ONLY reason he does not is RACISM.

But there is an area even more fundamental where he deserves your support and that is in the merits of his message. To deny that cops intentionally target young black males as a matter of policy is to deny that racism is an institutional feature of society in this country and to deny that is to deny exactly what Dr. King fought for.


 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
14. Given other players knelt during the anthem
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 11:14 AM
Jan 2018

And those players have jobs, I don't think you can blame racism for Kaepernick not having a job. He's not a particularly good quarterback, with a limited and different skill set than most NFL quarterbacks. He's at best a backup, but he's a backup that would require most teams to radically change their offense. There are only a handful of teams who fit his skills.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
15. Can I suggest that other players wo have knelt
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 11:36 AM
Jan 2018

can also be distinguished from Kaepernick because they have either made no statement about the merits of his protests (leaving open the possibility that they are standing in solidarity with Kaepernick and his right to free speech -- which actually isn't even implicated here from a constitutional perspective, but that's another story -- as opposed to with his message) or the statements they have made do not call the American system into question, merely the actions of "bad apple" cops/departments etc. That makes those players much more palatable to white folks.

The debate about his skill set is a diversion.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
21. Right. Any debate other than why he knelt is a diversion.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:24 PM
Jan 2018

Anything that is used to obfuscate the central message is meant to confuse the message.

His message was not connected to whether he has or can get a job.

And does he have to have been beaten violently himself to have the right to kneel in protest?

roscoeroscoe

(1,369 posts)
26. Um, no
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 01:31 PM
Jan 2018

This is Trump time; Trump actually made Kaeperkick's collusion case easier by bragging that he convinced owners not to hire him.

A couple teams were looking to bring him in but owners seem to have overruled the GMs.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
31. I dont care if a mediocre quarterback has a job or not
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 02:43 PM
Jan 2018

More power to Kap if he wants to work with BLM BUT I already support them. Personally, he means nothing to me and I wouldn’t care if he disappeared tomorrow.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
13. That's true.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 11:11 AM
Jan 2018

Heard it from my own family.. what do "they" want? my aunt said one Thanksgiving.. Well, for starters, the right to vote. My good ole mom always had an answer.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
19. 'They' placed MLK in the same mode with Malcom X...
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 11:56 AM
Jan 2018

At that point in time MLK was a softer 'non violent' person where as Malcolm X was the 'by any means necessary'... but Malcolm did change his stance before he died when he saw that there were kind White folk in Mecca. That changed his outlook.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
34. That's true.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 08:07 PM
Jan 2018

Back then, I was a kid trying to make heads or tells out of the whole thing. It scared me to death. But today I think Malcolm X is the bomb.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. It was one of the most violent times in our history
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:34 PM
Jan 2018

Maybe it's only because it was televised and we could see the horrendous treatment of peaceful demonstrators that it stands out as one of the most violent times for me. I watched it on my television, just like I watched the Vietnam war. Now that I think of it our human rights history has been a long history of extreme violence.

dlk

(11,512 posts)
11. Sadly, There Was Tremendous Resistance to Making MLK's Birthday a Holiday
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 10:46 AM
Jan 2018

Too often what plays as "moderate" is merely racism and bigotry "lite."

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
24. I lived in Arizona when Governor Evan Mecham rescinded an EO creating a state MLK holiday
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:58 PM
Jan 2018

Governor Bruce Babbitt (D) created a paid state MLK holiday the last year he was in office. One of the first things newly elected Governor Evan Mecham (R) did was rescind the holiday, under the guise that Babbitt's EO was illegal.

After I left Arizona, they had another election to create a paid state MLK holiday that went down to defeat (which was the second time, I believe). Then the NFL pulled an upcoming Super Bowl from Arizona. They had a third vote on the holiday and it finally passed. The NFL awarded Arizona Super Bowl XXX after that.

rogue emissary

(3,147 posts)
22. Hilarious a guy using King's words but not listening to King's words.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 12:29 PM
Jan 2018
http://www.thekingcenter.org/archive/document/importance-voting#

It is my belief that one of the most significant steps that members of a minority community may take is that short walk to the voting booth. It is the responsibility of every good citizen to register and vote. I strongly urge you to vote in the coming election. Vote for the party and candidate of your choice, but by all means vote.


-Martin Luther King Jr. President of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference
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