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Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:16 PM

The Strange Battle of the Pussyhats

Anyone who attended last yearís Womenís March in DC or the satellite marches across the country and world, recall the endless ocean of pink hats. An awesome sight. I was at the March 2017 protest in DC and it was . . . emotional, thrilling.

However, the controversy over the Pussyhat Project designed and promoted by Krista Suh and Jayna Zweiman started well before the 2017 March. Some feminists believed the whole idea was vulgar, symbolizing women by a single body part, their genitalia. Others believed that women were taking back the word 'pussy' after the Trumpster had demeaned its meaning in the crassest sense. Grab Ďem by the pussy became a rallying cry. Millions of women donned the pink-eared caps as a symbol of unity on womenís issues and human rights.

That did not stop the controversy.

The current line of attack is based on accusations of TERF, Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism. Because, as Iíve read online recently, ďnot all women have a vagina and not everyone who has a vagina is a woman. Or so the argument goes.

I donít buy into this line of thinking because this was a Womenís March, by and for women but a March that was open to anyone and everyone protesting the installation of the Trumpster in the WH. What I saw on the faces of marchers of all ages, colors, shapes and sizes was determination and joy.

The protestors have been proven right x1000 since the original March on DC. We all see and know what The Trump is: unfit for Office. If anything, we know more now than we did then. And itís far worse than many imagined.

The second line of argument is presumably from women of color. Itís been claimed in several articles that the pink color of the hats exclude women of different races.

Really?

We all wear pink ribbons for Breast Cancer Awareness Month. I donít recall anyone objecting to that, even though men can, in fact, be diagnosed with breast cancer and breasts come in many skin tones. For all the hoopla, the color pink is feminine in nature. The color of the hat IMHO doesnít read: white womenís genitalia. Because trust me as a white woman: if I turned hot pink in the nether regions, Iíd run to the doctor. Rather the color reads:

Sisters United. A Force to be Reckoned With. We Will Not Stand Down.

So, how do these stories of division and controversy start? The first article I read this year was written by an Emily Zanotti at the Daily Wire, a conservative outlet led by no other than Ben Shapiro, former editor of Breitbart. Then it was picked up by the Detroit Free Press. Now, the Daily Mail and Washington Times have run the same article with few changes. Out of the four publications only the Detroit Free Press is considered Left-of-Center.

So why would the conservative press want to fan the flames of division with the Second Womenís March approaching on 20 January?

Because the original Womenís March was enormously successful. The event inspired more people to show-up, march and protest than attended the Trumspterís fraudulent inauguration. I was there; I saw The Donald's poor showing.

As for the pussyhats?

I remember standing inside the Maryland House off Rt 95, waiting to purchase water on my way back to Philly. A large group of women entered the rest stop, all donning their hats. A spontaneous round of applause started then grew into a thundering roar. People stamped their feet. Fists punched the air. Electric!

Thatís the excitement we generated. Thatís what the GOP's right-right wing is afraid of, again.

Fortunately, not everyone is taking the conservative cue on pussyhat donning. See here:

https://www.amny.com/news/pussyhat-knitty-city-1.16068536

And the Pussyhat Project? Glad to say, itís alive and well.

https://www.pussyhatproject.com

Another blast on January 20th, people!



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peggysue2 Jan 2018 OP
Sophia4 Jan 2018 #1
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nadine_mn Jan 2018 #54
Hortensis Jan 2018 #55
nadine_mn Jan 2018 #60
Hortensis Jan 2018 #62
janterry Jan 2018 #2
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #5
Hekate Jan 2018 #6
janterry Jan 2018 #11
Hekate Jan 2018 #16
janterry Jan 2018 #18
Kajun Gal Jan 2018 #4
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #7
Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #8
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #12
Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #25
crazycatlady Jan 2018 #32
Hekate Jan 2018 #17
Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #26
bettyellen Jan 2018 #35
Hortensis Jan 2018 #57
pnwmom Jan 2018 #33
Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #47
pnwmom Jan 2018 #49
ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #9
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #13
ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #23
lindysalsagal Jan 2018 #29
pnwmom Jan 2018 #34
crazycatlady Jan 2018 #38
ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #44
alfie Jan 2018 #10
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #14
Lucinda Jan 2018 #15
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #20
Lucinda Jan 2018 #51
pnwmom Jan 2018 #53
Lucinda Jan 2018 #59
crazycatlady Jan 2018 #65
Lucinda Jan 2018 #66
crazycatlady Jan 2018 #67
Lucinda Jan 2018 #68
Stinky The Clown Jan 2018 #19
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #21
Stinky The Clown Jan 2018 #22
ColoradoBlue Jan 2018 #24
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #30
catrose Jan 2018 #40
crazycatlady Jan 2018 #58
Kilgore Jan 2018 #27
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #31
Momgonepostal Jan 2018 #28
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #37
SharonClark Jan 2018 #46
pnwmom Jan 2018 #36
crazycatlady Jan 2018 #39
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #41
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pnwmom Jan 2018 #43
3catwoman3 Jan 2018 #45
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Iggo Jan 2018 #48
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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:25 PM

1. Pink is the color for women.

 

And cats are considered to be feminine. Feline, feminine, one words causes us to recall the other.

Plus it is practical and warm to wear a knit hat in the winter.

Thus, pussy hats.

If some want to dwell on other connotations or meanings, that's their choice.

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:57 PM

3. That's pretty much . . .

my take, Sophia. I was so annoyed when I started seeing these articles pop up. I mentioned it to my daughter-in-law and she was ticked as well. It was my son who suggested tracking down the writer of the original piece--this Emily Zanotti. And sure enough I found her right-right wing footprint.

Think it's an example of how these 'controversies' get started and then morph into huge arguments. Between ourselves. I intend to keep watching the headlines, see if they manage to push this meme into larger venues.

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Response to Sophia4 (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 04:17 AM

54. Pink being a feminine color is still a fairly recent construct

http://mentalfloss.com/article/65058/when-did-pink-become-girl-color

In 1918, an article from a trade publication called Earnshawís Infantsí Department, declared that, since it was derived from red, ďPink is for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.Ē


Just saying that colors being masculine or feminine are completely arbitrary and people will use anything to divide rather than unite when it suits their purpose...as in suppressing the power of the Women's March

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Response to nadine_mn (Reply #54)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 07:31 AM

55. :) And red dyes, used mostly for men's clothes in Europe,

faded naturally to pink of course. So equally of course, pink was considered a masculine color, or at least different hues of it appropriate for both sexes. They certainly weren't throwing away clothes every season in those centuries.

As for the rest, recognize that most of this is coming from enemies of women's unification, but nevertheless mark what should be noted in the various stands, respect the right to have opinions, accept that we all will have opinions, and refuse divisiveness and strife?



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Response to Hortensis (Reply #55)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 01:40 PM

60. Nothing scares the opposition like our unity

Which is why they will fan the flames of divisiveness under the guise of calling out biased behavior.

To be clear, as a person of mixed heritage..."nude" "flesh" colored things do not match my skin tone or flesh. It is a valid argument women of color (anyone of color) that makeup, fashion, etc industries don't make assumptions that everyone is light/white. Also that being a woman is more than having certain body parts (vagina, uterus, breasts) and we should strive to make sure our language and behavior errs on the side of inclusivity.

But here is what I have noticed...many people of privilege (white, cis, hetero, male) are trying their damn best. But the word privilege has been used to attack (rather than explain and educate)as a weapon so people trying to do their best get defensive. This is great for opposition...accuse a bunch of well meaning people of being privileged and discriminatory and sit back to watch them get all bent out of shape trying to defend, explain and justify their behavior.

Again, I'm not saying these aren't all important discussions to have...but too often the people who have been screaming "this movement excludes people of x, y or z" are not doing it to have an honest conversation about how we can acknowledge and respect each other's differences. No they are doing it with the explicit purpose of disrupting and destroying any attempts at coming together.

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Response to nadine_mn (Reply #60)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 01:59 PM

62. +1. All the good words that apply to us are being

twisted in attempts to turn them into weapons to use against us. Nothing is more dangerous to the right than the reality of a hugely diverse America gathered together in our big Democratic tent. But as you say, the vast majority of us accept our very diverse range of viewpoints and are trying.

We just have to smarten up a bit more, solidify our pride in our purpose.

There are some few who really only can care about one highly personalized point of view and see enemies in anyone who is not committed to it. But even if some are especially vulnerable to misdirection of their passion, the rest of us should be able to muster the discipline to keep our eyes on our many prizes.


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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:56 PM

2. Second wave vs. third wave feminism

I try hard to listen to the third wave folks, but it's hard. I'm a second wave kind of a woman.

I know that ideas about gender will evolve - and by the time my daughter is my age things will be different. I try to listen and learn.

Some feminists have a harder time with it (I think Germaine Greer is a good example of the 'firestorm' that brews between the generations.

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Response to janterry (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:04 PM

5. You're probably right, Jan

I know my daughter-in-law is all into intersectional feminism. But this line of attack turned even her off because we marched together in DC. She saw what I saw, heard what I heard. And was equally awed by the experience.

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Response to janterry (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:05 PM

6. It's not that. As the article indicates, we are being trolled from the right wingers hoping to...

...divide us. Don't let them do it. Don't give them any credence at all.

I think the pussycat hats are cute and sassy. However, I live where I need a broad brimmed hat, so I simply wear my pink one as the occasion demands to show solidarity.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:25 PM

11. If they did

it's kind of an interesting attack. Sort of smart - in a way - and sort of deliberately tapping into issues that do poke at that 2nd/3rd wave 'discussion' (I'm saying that rather than divide .

I didn't make a pussyhat (I look terrible in pink!) - though I am a knitter and did buy the yarn (I was going to make it for my daughter, but didn't get around to it - we were actually in a hotel right in DC the day of the march....moving. I had the black lab, the cat, and my daughter right near the whole thing. I wish we had been able to go. But alas, it was impossible.

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Response to janterry (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:10 PM

16. If? It's what trolls do. They twist facts, they drive wedges in, they make people doubt themselves

Some of what they say sounds so reasonable. Third Wave Feminism? Suuuure.

Don't get played. Don't let them frame the discussion.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:13 PM

18. this is what I'm thinking of

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:57 PM

4. Thanks! Cause I want to order a few!

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Response to Kajun Gal (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:06 PM

7. Go for It!

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:19 PM

8. You've got the TERF argument backwards.

The current line of attack is based on accusations of TERF, Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism. Because, as Iíve read online recently, ďnot all women have a vagina and not everyone who has a vagina is a woman. Or so the argument goes.


TERFs believe ONLY people with vaginas are women. By that reasoning, they would welcome the "pussy" hat - since it inherently links womanhood with vaginas.

There are trans women who object to women being characterized by body parts they do not have.

We all wear pink ribbons for Breast Cancer Awareness Month. I donít recall anyone objecting to that, even though men can, in fact, be diagnosed with breast cancer and breasts come in many skin tones.


Some of us with breast cancer object to wearing pink for a variety of reasons (unrelated to color) - because it makes it impossible to avoid reminders of our disease in October and because the reason it is impossible to avoid in October is that its presence is the result of commercialization of the fund raising (with only a fraction of the funds raised by the biggest pink entities actually going for support/research).

But as to pink being the color of white women's vaginas - it is just like every other representation of flesh tones. The default is something approximating white people's skintone (it isn't a good match for anyones). The solution for that is to make the hats in a variety of skin tones.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:40 PM

12. I would have no problem . . .

with different colored pussyhats. Not sure that many women would though I still don't see how the color pink is so objectionable, nor do I believe that the color represents only white women. The color represents women, all of us. Now, for you as someone who has had breast cancer? Yes, I can absolutely understand the color itself conjures up less than warm, fuzzy feelings. Cancer is dreadful. I've been lucky myself but my family members have not been so fortunate.

As for getting the TERF idea screwed up. That's absolutely possible because I'll confess until yesterday I'd never heard the term. Or the objections. I read it in an article, did a little searching but could have easily turned it topsy-turvy.

In any case, the 2018 March is on and the Pussyhats are still in business.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:50 PM

25. Like "flesh" represents all people?

5 Times Crayola Fired Their Crayons
. . .

1. "Flesh" Crayons Change Their Name
While everyone acknowledges that the civil rights movement brought about great strides in American society, most individuals overlook the huge advances it brought to the crayon community. In 1962, Crayola voluntarily changed Flesh to Peach in an attempt to avoid any legal issues and encourage people to embrace seeing the world in black and peach.


http://mentalfloss.com/article/22405/5-times-crayola-fired-their-crayons

I'm not suggesting the march shouldn't happen - or that people should't wear what they want (including pussy hats) - or that pussy hats aren't an appropriate way to protest against a president who brags of grabbing women by the pussy.

But in promoting your version of the anniversary protest, please don't be so dismissive of the concern trans women have at womanhood being represented by vaginas - or that women of color that the vagina color chosen no more represents them than "flesh" used to represent the flesh-tones of people of color. When these portions of the female population dare to raise their voices and say "this feels exclusive to me," the response is all too frequently, "get over it," "stop being ridiculous," or "stop whining about your special pony."

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:26 PM

32. I make pussyhats

And I've made them in more than just pink. I've made rainbow ones for LGBT issues, green ones for environmental issues, among others.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:13 PM

17. Hot Pink is not about skin tone. Honest.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:02 PM

26. It is pink, not hot pink, that women of color have said feels excludes them -

in the same way that "Flesh" as a color was offensive, even though it was nowhere near the color of the skin of white people.

The originators of the hat have clearly said that part of the symbolism of the hat is to represent vaginas. Pink vaginas are more likely to belong to white women than to women of color.

I am less concerned about the color of the hat, however, than I am about responses that dismiss feelings of exclusion expressed by transwomen and women of color - rather than inviting further conversations about whether there is a way to acknowledge the concerns and to make the message more inclusive (different colors; expressly focusing on the message as a counter to Trump's express comments about grabbing women by the pussy). I don't know if there is a way to make the messaging inclusive enough - but that ought to be the direction of conversations (rather than dismissing the concerns).

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:38 PM

35. I have to agree, not loving seeing these voices dismissed. I do know people bothered by the the pink

hats- it seems bizarre to me to dismiss it out of hand. Really pretty pointless and like you are making a divisive choice instead of choosing solidarity.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 08:04 AM

57. So unfortunate. Just looked up black women's vaginas,

not something I expected to do this morning, but yup, I wouldn't call those I saw pink.

Frankly, symbols always carry the danger that they'll distract people to them and away from principle. Or perhaps these days of mass communications we should say "promise to."

As for "pussy hats," the idea of hats representing vaginas (of any color or material) was distasteful to me, undignified, and distracting from all the vast realities of women's lives.

Above all, I think it whiffed strongly of zealotry, and when zealots get hold of a movement, they usually manage to derail it, and even delegitimize it in the minds of the larger public. A danger that must be avoided in order to succeed.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:35 PM

33. Or the solution is just to recognize that pink was chosen because it's a peaceful color

(according to the color psychologists) and is often associated with femininity -- but guys were welcome to wear it.

I gave one to a gay, black, male who was thrilled to receive it. He never thought it meant he had to have a vagina.

I especially liked the pink because it was so striking -- and so unifying -- in the photos. I had never seen a protest march that looked like that. It seemed like an inspired choice to me, at the time.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 03:06 AM

47. Was he a transwoman?

Gay males, regardless of race, are not the women who feel excluded when people symbolize women with a vagina.

This is not the first idea that has seemed inspired at the time, that ultimately turned out to exclude historically marginalized people.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #47)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 03:18 AM

49. Transwomen are just as much women as ciswomen. So why should the color pink,

traditionally associated with femininity, exclude them? If there were two bathroom doors, a pink one and a blue one, wouldn't they go through the pink door?

I didn't know anyone who thought we were wearing vulva replicas on our heads. We were wearing girly pink hats with cat ears, in a pun on the word pussy (a nickname that, like "beaver," suggested hairiness and softness -- not a particular tissue color or size).

Pink is for girls and blue is for boys, in the traditional usage. It was a women's march so we wore girly pink. Nothing to do with the color or even the existence of vulvas.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:19 PM

9. What a load of crap!

I'm a man, and I have a pussy hat. I got it from crazycatlady here on DU. It did not come with a warning label not to wear it if I possessed a penis or had a skin tone any darker than parchment. That sort of BS misses the point entirely, and it should be completely obvious to anyone with any sense that such "resentment" of the movement emanates from soulless RW idiots.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:58 PM

13. Good one on you, proud lib

Yeah, tend to agree--it misses the larger point. My main concern was who was trying to stir this story, where was it coming from? What it proves to me is the RW will do anything to rain our parade and sow divisiveness wherever they can. Because . . .

November 2018!

Not that I didn't know that already but this sort of thing is churning out there and should be shut down before it morphs. I suspect the storyline is designed to have us arguing with one another and diminish the energy.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:42 PM

23. Think about it this way

They are trying to create division because the movement is powerful and threatens them. They are afraid!

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:13 PM

29. I saw many men in nyc wearing pink last year. A beautiful thing. I loved it.

The pink was popular enough to take over, so, it rang true for many. I have a regular pink ski hat and scarf and gloves and huge pink poster. If men in nyc can wear pink, there's no problem.

Just take to the streets. Time's up.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:37 PM

34. I have a gay, black, male friend who was complaining that he couldn't find one.

I mailed him one and he called to say he was thrilled -- and had already worn it to a bar.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:51 PM

38. You have the one with the pink stripe right?

I can't remember who got which one at this point, but if my memory serves me right, my dad now has an identical one and will march next week with me in it.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #38)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:24 AM

44. Yes, it's charcoal with a one inch pink stripe.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:24 PM

10. I'll wear my pussy hat proudly next weekend.

We missed last year, but we are going to Asheville, NC for this years march. We will be there Friday and Saturday and I will wear my hat all weekend. I wore it off and on all last winter and got a lot of smiles, winks, nods, and thumbs up.

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Response to alfie (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:01 PM

14. Good, Alfie.

I can't make it to DC this year either. But Hat Will Travel to my local march.

Have fun!

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:05 PM

15. Yep. I caught a big discussion of this on FB

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:27 PM

20. Which way was the discussion going, Lucinda?

I don't do FB but realize that many people get their information/opinions from these FB discussions.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 03:28 AM

51. Many were supporting the abandonment of the hats

saying that if it was alienating some, they should stop.
I was one of the few of the opinion that it's impossible for everyone to agree on everything, and that people needed to stop trying to micromanage symbolism and get back to focusing on the big picture. People found great personal power in the making and wearing of those hats, and I see no reason to push them to stop using them.

It's a hat made of pink yarn with pointy ears. If it has meaning for you, wear it, if it doesn't, don't...

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #51)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 04:02 AM

53. Well, they'll alienate other women if they try to shame them into stopping. I thought the sight

of the sea of pink was incredibly moving; and I wouldn't be surprised if even the police reacted differently, when faced with all that pink.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 11:32 AM

59. I agree on all points

The symbolism was meaningful, and the way it made people feel - made it even more powerful.

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #51)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 05:10 PM

65. Making pussyhats has literally saved my sanity

I knew how to knit in the past but I never realized how stress relieving it actually is. Pussyhats are my way of staying sane in the Trump administration.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #65)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 07:47 PM

66. I can see why!

Not only is it keeping busy making something useful, but it has a wonderful meaning too!

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Response to Lucinda (Reply #66)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 07:49 PM

67. I just had the most heartwarming pussyhat order from Etsy

"Now you're all set for Saturday. Can't wait to march along with my beautiful strong mama. Love ya-- [name withheld]"

I like bringing families together instead of tearing them apart.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #67)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 07:50 PM

68. That's soo awesome!

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:25 PM

19. This ancient old white guy will be on hand again DC in this year.

Trying to gather others to join us.

Some people fear counter protests.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:32 PM

21. I really wish I could get back to DC

But this year it's just not a happening thing. You'll have to let us all know how it went, what you saw and heard.

Have a blast!

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:35 PM

22. I don't recall a political day more inspirational, uplifting and . . . yes . . . FUN as last year's

march. It was electric.

And people were ALL incredible polite to each other. In that massive crowd, not one arrest.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:42 PM

24. Oh, good lord

If you want to wear a pussy hat and it makes you feel empowered, wear one. If you don't like it, don't wear one. This whole idea of telling other people the "appropriate" way to resist only helps tamp down the excitement and motivation. Resist however you need to. The important thing is to resist.

On a side note, hubby and I were at the Cliffs of Moher in Ireland last May and saw a woman in a pussy hat. I immediately said, "I LOVE your hat!" She smiled and said thanks. For me, it was a nice little reminder that there are many of us out there and we're not alone.

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Response to ColoradoBlue (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:16 PM

30. Yes!

Colorado Blue said:

"Resist however you need to. The important thing is to resist."

x1000!

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Response to ColoradoBlue (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:54 PM

40. And if you want a different color, buy/make one

There's no Official Pussyhat(TM) Factory. It really is a grass-roots effort.

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Response to catrose (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 10:41 AM

58. I'm the official pussyhat factory :-)

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:09 PM

27. I don't understand the issue.......

Says the cat!!

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Response to Kilgore (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:21 PM

31. LOL

Great looking cat, btw.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:12 PM

28. I always interpreted pussy hat to refer to the cat...

Thatís why, IMO, they use the cat ear pattern.

I made mine out of fleece and used the colors available at the time, which for mine were hot pink and kind of a mid pink/white marbled pattern. I never thought the colors matched anyoneís lady parts!

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Response to Momgonepostal (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:43 PM

37. I thought the whole idea was clever

You get the idea of the cat, cat ears (feline), a turn on the Trumpster's crass statement--grab 'em by the pussy, the sense of solidarity with everyone around you, and the hats are cute; they make you feel happy, brave wearing them. I don't knit, so I bought mine. Hot pink.

Can't tell you how astounding it was (for me at least) to look around last year and see an endless sea of bobbing hats. And everyone chanting, laughing, marching as one.

Remarkable. I was involved in a few marches as a kid. But this one was different.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:56 AM

46. Thank you for the positive response. That is how I felt, too.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:40 PM

36. I think that sea of pink ALSO had the effect of disarming the police psychologically.

The protest looked different, and felt different. Some of the men who attended said they had never been to a protest that felt that peaceful before, and I think the sea of pink had something to do with that.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #36)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:54 PM

39. An NYPD officer told me last year that this was the most peaceful large event he'd worked

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #36)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:01 PM

41. Interesting take, pnwmom

Hadn't considered that angle. But for the size of the march, the sheer number of protestors, the totally peaceful nature of the day was extraordinary. There were even people standing with signs giving out free hugs at the end of the march.

Just a very good day all around.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:13 PM

42. I attended The Womens' Convention in Detroit

last fall. One of the scheduled breakout sessions was something along the lines of "Not All Pussys are Pink". and why the whole pink pussy hat thing offended women of color and transgender women. I signed up for it to be out of my comfort zone and to see what it was all about. The panel was 3 trans women, 2 were delightful and open to discussing the issue of feeling left out of the movement. One was very hostile, blaming white women, saying the movement needs a trans woman on every panel, and generally not engaging the attendees. I understand that trans women need a place at the table, but her approach and hostility will not make it happen.http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a13114228/raquel-willis-womens-convention-transgender-inclusivity/

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Response to likesmountains 52 (Reply #42)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:45 PM

43. Pink is no more the color of any woman's vulva than blue is the color of a man's penis.

This whole argument seems asinine to me.

There was no reason for trans women to feel left out because of the pinkness. I mailed a pink pussyhat to a gay, black, male friend of mine because he was complaining he couldn't find one. If he didn't feel excluded by those hats, why should anyone?

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:33 AM

45. Anatomy lesson time.

Vaginas ARE pink. The hollow muscular tube is lined with a mucous membrane, much like the inside of the nose, the mouth, or the inside of the eyelids. In my 40 years as a nurse practitioner, every mucous membrane I have ever looked at, no matter where it is, was pink.

The perineum, or vulva, the external structures, will be the same color as the rest of the skin.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 03:24 AM

50. Not yarn pink. But you're right -- all humans have mucous membranes that, when healthy,

are a color that we call pink.

I don't know anyone who thought she was wearing either a vulva or vagina hat, though. We were wearing pink caps with pussycat ears. Pink because that's the traditional color associated with women, and cat ears for "pussies."

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #50)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 02:34 PM

63. I appreciate your use of proper...

...terminology. It bugs me when the word vagina is used for anything and everything "down there." I think it was one of the Harvey Weinstein victims who stated that, "He touched my vagina through my underwear." That would be next to impossible without actual manual penetration.

Not excusing him, at all. Just wanting things to be properly stated, especially if there are legal hearings or court appearances. I can just see some slimy defense attorney twisting words enough to make it seem like a woman wasn't telling the truth - "So, Miss X, Mr. Weinstein didn't actually insert his finger into your vagina, he only touched your labia. What else are you lying about?"

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #63)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 03:35 PM

64. That is a pet peeve of mine, too.

And I don't understand why that mis-usage is so common.

Or why anyone would think that the term "pussy" referred to the most internal parts. In the natural state, the adult pelvis is covered with hair, like other mammals are covered with hair. So people used furry nicknames for that area. The term has nothing to do with soft tissue -- it's about hair.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 01:51 PM

61. Way off topic...but this reminds me of a comment a white teacher made

About an African American little girl in her class.

I was watching a video of Jane Elliot's blue eye brown eye experiment (with adults), and one of the blue eyed women (a middle school teacher) was talking to another blue eyed woman about how she was surprised when this little AA girl in her class fell and skinned her knee, and the flesh was pink underneath. This wasn't a script, this woman wasn't acting, this was a educated woman in charge of teaching children! She admitted she didn't know what color she was expecting to see...she was just surprised the flesh was pink ("like you or me".

Just like I am appalled that people have assumptions that all women are the same, all of our bits and parts must look and operate the same, I am just as shocked at the crazy theories that people have regarding people who have a different skin color. (Another example being the study of a group of medical students who honestly didn't think African Americans felt pain..or at least not as much as white people).

Sorry off topic, just the part about all mucous membranes being pink, reminded me of that stupid woman being surprised.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 03:07 AM

48. What a dumb fucking fight.

This isn't real, right?

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Response to Iggo (Reply #48)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 04:00 AM

52. Sadly, it is real. But I think the people pushing the issue the hardest

might be on the right. Fox news, Breitbart, etc. are carrying most of the stories.

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Response to peggysue2 (Original post)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 07:55 AM

56. Article in the Detroit Free Press about this very subject this week

Pink pussyhats: The reason feminists are ditching them
Kristen Jordan Shamus, Detroit Free Press


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"But this time when marchers take to the streets in cities from Lansing to Las Vegas, there could be fewer pink pussyhats in the crowds.

The reason: The sentiment that the pink pussyhat excludes and is offensive to transgender women and gender nonbinary people who don't have typical female genitalia and to women of color because their genitals are more likely to be brown than pink.

"I personally wonít wear one because if it hurts even a few people's feelings, then I don't feel like itís unifying," said Phoebe Hopps, founder and president of Women's March Michigan and organizer of anniversary marches Jan. 21 in Lansing and Marquette.
"I care more about mobilizing people to the polls than wearing one hat one day of the year."

The state and national organizations, she said, have tried "to move away from the pussyhats for several months now, and are not making it the cornerstone of our messaging because ... thereís a few things wrong with the message.

"It doesnít sit well with a group of people that feel that the pink pussyhats are either vulgar or they are upset that they might not include trans women or nonbinary women or maybe women whose (genitals) are not pink."

FYI, The Detroit Free Press is the progressive newspaper in Detroit


[link:https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/01/10/pink-pussyhats-feminists-hats-womens-march/1013630001/|

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