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Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:06 PM

The Real Question: How Did That Hawaiian False Attack Alarm Happen? UPDATED!

So far, I haven't seen any report on that. How it happened is far more important that the fact that it happened. That was cleared up fairly quickly. If it wasn't just a bonehead mistake by someone, then it may have come from outside, and that's a very, very serious matter, indeed.

Update: Apparently, it was a mistake on the part of someone in Hawaii, according to the Governor of HI. That's a relief.

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Reply The Real Question: How Did That Hawaiian False Attack Alarm Happen? UPDATED! (Original post)
MineralMan Jan 2018 OP
RKP5637 Jan 2018 #1
MineralMan Jan 2018 #7
RKP5637 Jan 2018 #11
True Dough Jan 2018 #2
MineralMan Jan 2018 #5
True Dough Jan 2018 #25
peggysue2 Jan 2018 #3
bpositive Jan 2018 #4
john657 Jan 2018 #6
MineralMan Jan 2018 #8
john657 Jan 2018 #9
sunonmars Jan 2018 #10
john657 Jan 2018 #12
MineralMan Jan 2018 #13
RKP5637 Jan 2018 #14
Dave Starsky Jan 2018 #45
LuvLoogie Jan 2018 #17
LuvLoogie Jan 2018 #26
john657 Jan 2018 #32
GeorgeGist Jan 2018 #27
dumbcat Jan 2018 #28
john657 Jan 2018 #33
dumbcat Jan 2018 #42
john657 Jan 2018 #43
dumbcat Jan 2018 #44
john657 Jan 2018 #46
cilla4progress Jan 2018 #15
bearsfootball516 Jan 2018 #18
sunonmars Jan 2018 #19
john657 Jan 2018 #24
Stellar Jan 2018 #16
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #20
MineralMan Jan 2018 #21
sunonmars Jan 2018 #22
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #23
Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #36
C_U_L8R Jan 2018 #29
MineralMan Jan 2018 #31
FarCenter Jan 2018 #30
FreepFryer Jan 2018 #34
MineralMan Jan 2018 #35
FreepFryer Jan 2018 #37
MineralMan Jan 2018 #41
pwb Jan 2018 #38
Turbineguy Jan 2018 #39
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2018 #40
HipChick Jan 2018 #47

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:09 PM

1. Yeah, was it hacked somehow ... if so, extremely dangerous. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:11 PM

7. What concerns me is that we haven't heard a simple explanation

so far. If it was a stupid error on the part of someone, we should already know that. Otherwise, this is very worrisome.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:15 PM

11. hmmmm, it seems they are fishing for an explanation. ... been wondering/thinking the same. n/t

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:09 PM

2. Perhaps some Un has the answer

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Response to True Dough (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:10 PM

5. I certainly hope not.

That would be absolutely the worst possible reason, I think.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:29 PM

25. Or, if you care to indulge in conspiracy theories...

There was lots of speculation that Trump was itching for war with North Korea over the past several months, which would be be catastrophic, of course. But it would also have taken the focus off of Dolt 45's various other issues and agenda failures.

However, things took a turn for the better recently with reduced North Korean missile tests and diplomatic talks with South Korea.

The impetus for war has been greatly diminished. BUT, if the Pentagon created this nuclear missile false alarm on the president's order and then that is blamed on North Korean hacking. Hmm.

I generally eschew the conspiracy theorists but I wouldn't put that one past desperate Donald.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:10 PM

3. Exactly!

Which was the first thing I thought of: please make this a dumb human error story and not the alternative.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:10 PM

4. There are mess ups and

Then there are total f&$k ups. Someone needs to be fired- no one should be in this position of power who can’t handle it.

In light of all the issues with the 🍊 one and North Korea there is no acceptable margin of error.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:11 PM

6. Apparently, during shift change,

someone pushed the wrong button.




CNN: Missile Alert went out after the "wrong" button was pushed during shift change


"It was a mistake made during a standard procedure at the change over of a shift and an employee pushed the wrong button," Governor of Hawaii David Ige tells CNN.
“The warning went out to cell phones, Television and radio got the emergency alert,” he says.


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Response to john657 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:12 PM

8. Thanks for that!

Sounds like they need a serious look at some sort of interlock for that button, eh?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:14 PM

9. And a complete review of shift change procedures,

and maybe a termination of an employee?

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Response to john657 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:15 PM

10. jesus christ, pushed a wrong button, seems like that procedure is shit.

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Response to sunonmars (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:18 PM

12. Yeah.

There should be some sort of safeguard over that button, but apparently not.

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Response to sunonmars (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:18 PM

13. I suspect changes will be made in the procedure.

They'd better be.

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Response to sunonmars (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:19 PM

14. Yep, definitely. Next will be oops, I hit the nuclear launch button. I thought it said Lunch! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 10:40 AM

45. I believe that was the central plot device...

of Far-Out Space Nuts.

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Response to john657 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:21 PM

17. I wan't to see secure area access records checked against shift change schedules.

I want to see the person who made the mistake named in a report.

Will that be the excuse given when we launch WMD? "We pushed the wrong button?"

What rank sends that alert? Who gives the order to send that alert?

I have more questions...

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:34 PM

26. So this was a civilian initiated alert and not a military initiated alert?

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:44 PM

32. Correct.

A big boo boo.

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Response to john657 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:36 PM

27. Smells like team...

BS.

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Response to john657 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:39 PM

28. They're just saying that to cover up

the fact that their system was hacked. They would rather have you believe it was a simple mistake rather than people realize their shyster is vulnerable to hackers.

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:44 PM

33. Any proof of your claim?

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Response to john657 (Reply #33)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:50 PM

42. Proof? How about observation and experience

I've been there.

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 18, 2018, 02:09 PM

43. So, I'll ask you again,

do you have any proof of what you claim?

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Response to john657 (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 19, 2018, 10:32 AM

44. What would you consider "proof"?

Standards appear to vary widely.

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Response to dumbcat (Reply #44)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:00 PM

46. Proof would be something that's irrefutable,

not opinions, guesses, or feelings

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:21 PM

15. If you believe that

I've got some beachfront in AZ to sell you.

Crap - MS Word asks me if I really want to delete that file before it initiates! We're supposed to believe there's no failsafe?

It's Russia. I'm sure of it.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:22 PM

18. You might want to adjust your tinfoil hat.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:23 PM

19. it just seems to easy, wrong button, if that happened, all of them need fired for that setup

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:24 PM

24. Any proof of that?

It's Russia. I'm sure of it.


Absent of any other proof, I'll go with what the Democrat Governor of Hawaii said.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:21 PM

16. President S***head was probably looking for a diversion..

Perhaps he thinks that his"Shithead" controversy has gone on far to long.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:23 PM

20. Why are there no failsafe procedures to be sure "mistakes" like that

can't happen? It's a good thing Orange Foolius was out golfing instead of fondling his Big Button...

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:24 PM

21. That's an excellent question, indeed.

I suspect that changes will be made instanter...

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:24 PM

22. its pure Homer Simpson script, isnt it?

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Response to sunonmars (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:24 PM

23. More like Dr. Strangelove.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:52 PM

36. First thing I thought of was War Games. nt

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:39 PM

29. Worse... why wasn't it immediately rescinded !!!

Our Hawaiian friends spent 38 minutes in terror.
And it only takes 20 minutes for a missile to fly from North Korea.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:42 PM

31. Yes. It was a screw-up of the first order.

Someone will be on the unemployment line, I'm certain.

This kind of thing happening is really bush league. It is an illustration of how poor emergency planning really is. Whoever designed the alert system has very poor knowledge of implementing safeguards against false alarms.

It would be unbelievable, except stuff like this happens all the time. Poor planning.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:40 PM

30. If it is headed for Hawaii, all the folks on Oahu can chill

 

Hawaiian Islands are pretty spread out.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:44 PM

34. 4/17: Hack of Dallas Sirens Not the First or Last on Emergency Systems, Experts Warn

Typically, a city will have just one, central computer workstation that is used to manage a city-wide deployment of civil defense horns. Hacking into that system either from the network its connected to, or by gaining physical or logical access to the actual terminal is all that’s needed to carry out the kind of attack seen in Dallas over the weekend [Steve Jung, a security researcher and penetration tester who has helped assess the security of such systems] said.

It wouldn’t be the first time. In 2013, for example software and equipment by the firm Monroe that is used to managed emergency alert systems was the target of a hack during which EAS equipment operated by broadcasters in Montana, Michigan and other states was compromised and used to issue an alert claiming that the “dead are rising from their graves,” and advising residents not to attempt to apprehend them. Researcher Mike Davis of the firm IOActive discovered those flaws and, later, in the digital alerting systems – DASDEC – application servers, which receive and authenticate EAS messages. A scan of the public Internet at the time by IOActive found 412 systems running vulnerable Monroe Electronics software. A subsequent patch by Monroe to address some security issues in its products failed to address serious security issues.

The software that controls civil defense and alerting systems like the Dallas sirens is often vulnerable to both network and application-focused attacks, experts say. “I would venture to guess that this is a relatively new frontier for that kind of software – even to think about an application focused attack,” Jung said. “In 20 years in (information security) I’ve never seen static code analysis of one of those boxes,” he said, referring to the siren systems.


https://securityledger.com/2017/04/hack-of-dallas-sirens-not-the-first-or-last-on-emergency-systems-experts-warn/

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:48 PM

35. No doubt that's true.

It shouldn't be, but it certainly is.

You know those digital road signs on trailers that get put out to warn drivers of hazards? They're incredibly easy to hack. All you need is the portable programming device used to program them. While the sign can be password protected, typically they are not, which means that anyone can change the message on them if they have one of those programmer devices. And those are available for separate purchase.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:05 PM

37. The thing that doesn't sit with me is the latency. imho 38 mins is too long 4 human error alone. n/t

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #37)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:49 PM

41. I definitely agree.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:05 PM

38. Our steel and gun powder military is obsolete .

Russia and North Korea are beating us with cyber attacks. I think they even made our navy ships collided. Not to mention our elections. But we will keep building ships and planes that will be made useless from cyber technologies . My two cents.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:09 PM

39. It could be a simple mistake.

The first design assumption is that nobody would push that button by mistake. The second assumption is that you would want easy access to that button to avoid any delays in case of a missile attack.



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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:18 PM

40. When you're on a hair trigger, like when your pResident is making insane threats against N. Korea

then you've got to doubly careful what you say and what buttons you push;



"The Bedford Incident"

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:02 PM

47. Processes and procedures...

or lack thereof..

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