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Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:06 AM

Tweet from Sheldon Whitehouse re: gerrymandering



Wow. Last night I read the 200-page court decision finding such "invidious" partisan gerrymandering in NC that a 52% Democratic win would get only 23% of seats.

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Reply Tweet from Sheldon Whitehouse re: gerrymandering (Original post)
spanone Jan 2018 OP
Roland99 Jan 2018 #1
unblock Jan 2018 #3
Roland99 Jan 2018 #5
dalton99a Jan 2018 #7
mountain grammy Jan 2018 #8
SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #12
mountain grammy Jan 2018 #13
SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #19
flying_wahini Jan 2018 #11
AJT Jan 2018 #2
spanone Jan 2018 #21
dsc Jan 2018 #4
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #6
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #9
SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #10
bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #14
lutherj Jan 2018 #15
L. Coyote Jan 2018 #16
LiberalLovinLug Jan 2018 #17
turbinetree Jan 2018 #18
JohnnyRingo Jan 2018 #20

Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:13 AM

1. SCOTUS still needs to step in. But they have indicated some support to ending gerrymandering

But it has to be incontrovertible that it was racially -based.

Seems open and shut to me

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:19 AM

3. i don't see how it can be otherwise given how racially oriented the parties are.

obviously there are some white democrats and even some black republicans, but i think at this point it's really cheeky for them to try to get away with it by saying "hey, we're not discriminating against blacks, we're discriminating against the party that black people overwhelmingly prefer"....

certainly the effect is to get an advantage for white people at the expense of people of color, even if they can convince a judge that this was not the intent. i'm not sure intent matters in this case.

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Response to unblock (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:55 AM

5. Maryland case is being considered for 1st Amendment issues

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:09 AM

7. Supreme Court takes up Texas redistricting case

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/texas-redistricting-supreme-court/index.html
Supreme Court takes up Texas redistricting case
By Ariane de Vogue, CNN Supreme Court Reporter
Updated 3:33 PM ET, Fri January 12, 2018

Example of Texas gerrymandering by the GOP:

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:23 AM

8. Fucking cheating Texas Republicans.

win by cheating, and SCOTUS will probably approve it, because Republicans.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:01 PM

12. Wow...I didn't realize how screwed up this is...

Under what conceivable logic are these boundaries drawn? Boundaries need to be redrawn by totally independent body, or kind of like the process where (1) one party cuts pie and then other party picks first, and then so on and on...you know that concept of ensuring everyone gets a fair piece of the pie logic...

Thanks for posting.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:09 PM

13. Republican "win at any cost" logic.

Some of the strongest Democrats of my lifetime came out of Texas.. LBJ, Barbara Jordan, Jim Hightower, etc., etc., etc. No more.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:27 PM

19. Yes, LBJ civil rights act...go TX!

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:59 AM

11. We have known this for decades and STILL can't get any traction in Tx !


Pretty clear as long as they rule the courts and appoint all the judges we don't have a chance of changing it.
Texas is bluer than most people imagine.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:16 AM

2. I live in WI and we are the state that has the gerrymandering case

before the US supreme court. The court heard the case in October and we're still waiting for a decision. I don't hold out much hope with this court.

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Response to AJT (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 02:26 PM

21. Good luck....this court is not friendly to both parties since gorsuch

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:50 AM

4. try living it

In 2012 we got a majority of the two party vote for Congress and the GOP got 9 seats and would have gotten 10 except we won the closest race in the country (about 600 votes out of over 200,000 cast) we got 4. In 2016, we got around 49% of the two party vote and the gop got 10 seats and we got 3.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:07 AM

6. They're unscrupulous & corrupt. I hope the Court found that to be illegal, too. nt

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:35 AM

9. Winning states is where gerrymandering gets stopped cold & permanently. Independent commissions. nt

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:58 AM

10. Keep fighting for our right to equal representation under the law...we

need to prove via math and logic that our rights to equal representation are being taken away...getting to the point that we're worst than a 3rd world country in voting rights...

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:12 PM

14. There must be a better way, though the suit over GM in PA was thrown out

We have about 75% Republicans ... entrenched.

To stimulate democracy, they need to go through election maps with an eggbeater

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:12 PM

15. Only losers cheat. Corruption is the defeat of democracy. Repugs are unamerican losers.

That is all.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:13 PM

16. And they still have to rig elections to win control.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:14 PM

17. I have no doubt that Democrats

Would win big majorities, at least federally, if the districts were divided up as close as possible into squared off grids.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 12:18 PM

18. The book RAT F*cked says it all, lets see what this court does, after all,

the Roberts court decided all by themselves to attack and gut the Voting Rights Act, (Shelby vs Holder)


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Response to spanone (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 01:17 PM

20. This graphic shows how this happens.

It's the best example I've seen that explains how districts can be divided to skew results:


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