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Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:17 PM

Wow - great tweet from CNN's Jim Sciutto. Nails it.





When my father’s relatives came here, many Americans considered Italy a “shithole” country. When my mother’s relatives immigrated, many felt the same about Ireland. Similar for my wife’s grandparents from Mexico & Russia. I’m as proud as ever tonight of our heritage.

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Reply Wow - great tweet from CNN's Jim Sciutto. Nails it. (Original post)
highplainsdem Jan 2018 OP
cilla4progress Jan 2018 #1
regnaD kciN Jan 2018 #2
shenmue Jan 2018 #3
MFM008 Jan 2018 #4
SCVDem Jan 2018 #17
MFM008 Jan 2018 #19
maddiemom Jan 2018 #25
billh58 Jan 2018 #24
Bleacher Creature Jan 2018 #5
erronis Jan 2018 #10
mcar Jan 2018 #6
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #7
highplainsdem Jan 2018 #8
highplainsdem Jan 2018 #9
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #23
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #11
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #12
spanone Jan 2018 #13
getagrip_already Jan 2018 #14
PatrickforO Jan 2018 #15
snort Jan 2018 #20
tblue37 Jan 2018 #22
not fooled Jan 2018 #27
StevieM Jan 2018 #16
Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #26
kskiska Jan 2018 #18
Straw Man Jan 2018 #21

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:19 PM

1. White supremacist in

The White House.

Sheds light on his birtherism attack on Obama.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:19 PM

2. Scandal! Sciutto should be fired!

He used an obscene word in a tweet! What about the children???



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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:20 PM

3. TRUE

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:23 PM

4. no dogs------ no Irish

Ive seen those signs.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:15 PM

17. I kinda hope

that you are 100 years old.

It would be impossible to see that in my adult lifetime and not react in a negative manner.

Today saddens me deeply.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:47 AM

19. no no

i meant in books, Im old but not 100..
sorry I didnt make that plain.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 04:12 PM

25. Don't worry about nitpicking.

I imagine that was meant in good humor. Anyone who is even a casual student of history knows what immigrants from various countries have faced over the years, and often has heard stories from their parents, grandparents...and so forth. One of the strangest things in American, historical culture is the habit of those who already exist as "Americans" resenting other cultures arriving, even though their families may have had the same problems. African-Americans are the only ones who didn't deliberately decide to be here. I won't even start on Native Americans (they are the ONLY ones who are just that: Native). "Mankind is not exactly kind, overall. BUT there are always those of us who TRY. OTH, there are a lot of those Hillary called "deplorables,' to consider: outraged, and they DO exist. They aren't the only ones who voted for Trump, but they are the ones who'd support him even if he committed blatant murder. Their mindset is what is truly sad, because they've given up on their own feelings of possibly being "worthy" unless they have others to look down on, and resent as given unfair advantage. As a teacher, I found that somewhere in the Seventies, the educational advantages they enjoyed became a burden to too many perfectly intelligent kids,who were capable of doing better. I can't begin to remember how many thought they'd get scholarships and become pro athletes-sometimes their coaches even got threatening about their grades (not the majority of coaches). The advantages of education in this country were lost to many in the last forty decades. In the last two decades,however, even the most motivated are in deep college loan debt, and finding jobs hard to find. This is a mess a president like Trump can only make horrifically worse. Any Republican who can only say that all these "spongers"only need to get jobs (and no raising minimum to livable wages). WTF?

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 04:09 PM

24. I'm not 100, but I am

old enough to remember seeing signs outside restaurants and bars in Norfolk, VA in the late 1950s saying, "Niggers, dogs, and soldiers not allowed." I was stationed at Ft. Eustis at the time.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:25 PM

5. It's too bad his network provided Trump with endless amounts of free media in 2016. NT

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:23 PM

10. All the networks did this. Collusion? Perhaps. Or just feeding frenzies.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:27 PM

6. Phil Mudd said the same

And it's true. My Irish ancestors experienced it.

And that's not even close to what people brought here in chains experienced and still experience.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:31 PM

7. I may be wrong but I think I saw him on CNN this evening

and he literally went into a very emotional tirade saying the same as that tweet (with some additional comments).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:55 PM

8. I didn't see that, but will try to find video. Thanks!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:58 PM

9. Haven't found video of Sciutto, but did find video of Phil Mudd, and think you might mean him.

Will post another OP about that, and then add the link here...


OK, here's the link:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210088619

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 06:41 AM

23. It was Mudd!

I was like like because he almost had tears in his eyes.

Thanks!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:38 PM

11. Catholics as viewed in the past




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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:39 PM

12. Poles, Irish, Germans, Russians, Italians as viewed in the past




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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:43 PM

13. K&R...

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:55 PM

14. or greeks...

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or..

Front page news: “The Greeks are of a very jealous disposition and believe all women are faithless”

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:00 PM

15. My ancestors on my father's side were poor Irish Catholic peasants

who fled the potato famine in the late 1840s, and came to the United States on coffin ships. In 1847, County Roscommon in Ireland was definitely thought of as a shit hole.

Here's a great quote from another Irish immigrant of that era:
"We wouldn't die, and that annoyed them. They'd spent centuries trying to kill us off, one way or another, and here we were, raising seven, eight, nine of a family on nothing but potatoes and buttermilk. But then the blight destroyed the potato. Three times in four years our only food rotted in the ground. Nothing to eat, the healthy crops sent away to feed England. We starved. More than a million died - most of them in the West, which is only a quarter of the country, with Ireland itself just half the size of Illinois. A small place to hold so much suffering."

"But we didn't all die. Two million of us escaped, one reaching back for the next. Surely one of the great rescues in human history. We saved ourselves, helped only by God and our own strong faith. Now look at us, doing well all over the world. We didn't die."

Honora Keeley Kelly, born 1822, County Galway, Ireland.

Now, we see this young lady from Africa, who has come here and made good. Let us rejoice with her in her success instead of hating her because she is an immigrant. THAT is the American way, or should be.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:10 AM

20. Word for word.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:01 AM

22. This is the sort of "chain migration" Trump and his acolytes complain about:

Two million of us escaped, one reaching back for the next. Surely one of the great rescues in human history.


People saving people.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 06:33 PM

27. Great story. Oh, and the non-wealthy in the U.S.

better pay attention to the treatment of the peasantry in Ireland. If the morans who work for a living and vote puke think that the same treatment isn't in store for them and that the wealthy care about them because these peasants happen to be citizens of the good ol' USA, think again.

The U.S. 21st century version would be soft-pedaled and implemented in a more discrete manner, but letting people starve and die, without access to health care--in large numbers, as opposed to the low-level killing currently going on--is what puke policies will lead to if people don't wake up and vote them out.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Santayana

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:04 PM

16. There was a time when stores carried the signs: "No Irish Need Apply."

We are better than that today.

Sadly, our president is not.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 04:56 PM

26. Right. The Irish were discriminated against in terms of employment

and segregated into certain neighborhoods here in the US.
The Irish also came to the US as indentured servants.

In Ireland they had been oppressed, systematically abused and starved by the British.
Their language, religion, customs all denigrated by the British.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:36 PM

18. Regarding Norway

Norway has universal health care and FORTY-SIX WEEKS of paid parental leave. Why the hell would anyone living there give that up to move here?

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Response to kskiska (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:21 AM

21. Immigrants from Norway?

Maybe 100 years ago. Today? Not so much.

I'm reminded of a friend from my college days who said that she wanted to join the Peace Corps for the travel opportunity. I asked her where she was hoping they would send her.

"France," she replied.

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