Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:31 PM

Hats off to Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff for being the most vocal critics of Trump' s GOP cabal:

I wish Schumer, Sanders, and Pelosi would attack more!

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Hats off to Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff for being the most vocal critics of Trump' s GOP cabal: (Original post)	Chasstev365	Jan 2018	OP
pelosi and schumer are saving their political capital for when it counts	samnsara	Jan 2018	#1
What political capital?	CrispyQ	Jan 2018	#8
I'm waiting for Franken to lead from outside the Democratic party	DemocracyMouse	Jan 2018	#21
Or at least from outside the senate. Me too. You know he is not going to go quietly into the night.	Amaryllis	Jan 2018	#43
Get ready to be flamed, Chasstev365.	TheCowsCameHome	Jan 2018	#2
Why?	Chasstev365	Jan 2018	#4
In short	TheCowsCameHome	Jan 2018	#6
I took a lot of heat for saying we suck at messaging and we need more voices to	Squinch	Jan 2018	#7
Our leaders let Republicans frame the narrative	rainin	Jan 2018	#13
Same here	Sam McGee	Jan 2018	#22
Hear, Hear!	smirkymonkey	Jan 2018	#27
Crap. Thinking that made me notice I haven't seen LaydeeBug for a while.	Squinch	Jan 2018	#40
Yes; you are probably right!	Chasstev365	Jan 2018	#11
Don't think it's about offending. It's about fear of backlash.	SleeplessinSoCal	Jan 2018	#36
I don't have any "friends across the aisle."	lastlib	Jan 2018	#41
Re Franken: I had a post hidden last week for saying Dems don't fight for their own.	NBachers	Jan 2018	#26
This is what I have been waiting for...	Zoonart	Jan 2018	#3
I can and will support ANY Democratic candidate for President. I can hold two thoughts in my	Squinch	Jan 2018	#9
Sorry, I was not clear.	Zoonart	Jan 2018	#20
I knew that. I completely agree.	dchill	Jan 2018	#30
Now that Franken's gone. NT	enough	Jan 2018	#5
It's hard for me to not be bitter.n/t	rainin	Jan 2018	#14
Same here.	Duppers	Jan 2018	#18
Bummer, their message can be so easily dismissed in the 'flyover states'....	Brother Buzz	Jan 2018	#10
Let's not forget Al Franken. More vocal than Lieu, esp early on.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2018	#12
It worked before. Republicans are good at repeating what works.	rainin	Jan 2018	#15
+1. nt	Honeycombe8	Jan 2018	#44
Oh goody!	murielm99	Jan 2018	#16
Sorry to be such a N00b but:	TwistOneUp	Jan 2018	#17
No text and kick&recommend	flying_wahini	Jan 2018	#31
No text.	murielm99	Jan 2018	#32
Thanks for explaining that!	TwistOneUp	Jan 2018	#42
And another dedicated loser heard from.	Sam McGee	Jan 2018	#23
The losers are the people trying to divide our party.	murielm99	Jan 2018	#33
So proud Ted Lieu is my Rep.----used to have Rohrbacher---(%$#&()&) bleh, yuck, Eew,	Doitnow	Jan 2018	#19
Send Schiff and Lieu Letters of Support	State the Obvious	Jan 2018	#24
I am a fan of both of them and would love to see them run for higher office.	smirkymonkey	Jan 2018	#28
They're busy taking "the moral high ground"	bluecollar2	Jan 2018	#25
Don't forget Auntie Maxine, she never lets up	Motley13	Jan 2018	#29
+1000 Yes: Good call! She doesn't beat around the bush!	Chasstev365	Jan 2018	#37
Maxine is one of our best. A true very vocal leader!	democratisphere	Jan 2018	#38
Schiff and Lieu are the new leadership of the Democratic Party.	democratisphere	Jan 2018	#34
Maxine was WAY ahead of the pack	Skittles	Jan 2018	#35
K & R	L. Coyote	Jan 2018	#39

Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:33 PM

samnsara (17,020 posts)

1. pelosi and schumer are saving their political capital for when it counts

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Response to samnsara (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:57 PM

CrispyQ (34,340 posts)

8. What political capital?

The dems have been neutered. Hopefully they can regain control of at least one chamber next fall, or the damage Trump will do in his last two years will be hard to come back from.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:59 PM

DemocracyMouse (2,275 posts)

21. I'm waiting for Franken to lead from outside the Democratic party

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 09:25 PM

Amaryllis (9,463 posts)

43. Or at least from outside the senate. Me too. You know he is not going to go quietly into the night.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:34 PM

TheCowsCameHome (40,098 posts)

2. Get ready to be flamed, Chasstev365.

I agree with you 100%.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:36 PM

Chasstev365 (5,191 posts)

4. Why?

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:46 PM

TheCowsCameHome (40,098 posts)

6. In short

our top leaders are reluctant to offend "our friends across the aisle" and many here don't want to hear that.

Besides, you can't say that on DU.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:57 PM

Squinch (48,276 posts)

7. I took a lot of heat for saying we suck at messaging and we need more voices to

be doing what Schiff and Lieu are doing.

Those whose hair lit up over my statements insisted I was being negative about Democrats.

It's as Laydeebug always says: Don't let Republicans frame the narrative.

We always do.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:30 PM

rainin (2,975 posts)

13. Our leaders let Republicans frame the narrative

and our supposedly "liberal media" lets Fox decide what stories they will be talking about. There are more of us than there are of them It doesn't have to be this way. Grow a spine Democrats!!! Lead!!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:26 PM

Sam McGee (347 posts)

22. Same here

I'll probably be banned from DU for this comment -- however -- several months ago, using another screen name, I lamented about how weak our Democratic "leaders" are in their response. I was banned from DU, my account permanently blocked.

We continue to take a bouquet of roses to a gunfight.

Our "leaders" still don't realize the GOP is not interested in singing "Kumbaya" under a banyan tree.

You deal with a mad dog by shooting it down in the street then cremating the carcass. We are dealing with mad dogs.

Been nice talking with you . . . I'll probably be banned and blocked again.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:45 PM

smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)

27. Hear, Hear!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 05:56 PM

Squinch (48,276 posts)

40. Crap. Thinking that made me notice I haven't seen LaydeeBug for a while.

She's been flagged! She was so great!

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:13 PM

Chasstev365 (5,191 posts)

11. Yes; you are probably right!

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 05:15 PM

SleeplessinSoCal (7,992 posts)

36. Don't think it's about offending. It's about fear of backlash.

Leadership believes they are in a good position to retake congress. I disagree with them. In 2006 they retool both houses. But so much has changed since then. Just as the DNC was out of touch in 2016, I think the old guard is also.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 06:01 PM

lastlib (20,697 posts)

41. I don't have any "friends across the aisle."

Friends don't let friends be repuglikans.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:37 PM

NBachers (15,988 posts)

26. Re Franken: I had a post hidden last week for saying Dems don't fight for their own.

I followed it up with the statement "Don't expect them to fight for you." That may be what pushed it over the edge.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:35 PM

Zoonart (10,415 posts)

3. This is what I have been waiting for...

I think there is a major vacuum in Dem leadership. I am waiting for folks like Lieu and Shiff... Maxine and others to lead the removal movement. In the coming months, I cannot support any Dem. Candidate for President that does not take point in this fight.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:59 PM

Squinch (48,276 posts)

9. I can and will support ANY Democratic candidate for President. I can hold two thoughts in my

head at the same time.

I can wish Democrats were better at messaging while at the same time supporting ANY Democrat over ANY Republican.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:58 PM

Zoonart (10,415 posts)

20. Sorry, I was not clear.

In the primary, I am only interested in supporting someone who has confronted the Russian meddling in our elections and the removal of the current occupant of the oval office in a public and forceful way. That being, said. I will vote for the Democrat who received the nomination.

I have NEVER voted for any Republican. I've been voting a long time.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 05:01 PM

dchill (35,924 posts)

30. I knew that. I completely agree.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:46 PM

enough (12,993 posts)

5. Now that Franken's gone. NT

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Response to enough (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:31 PM

rainin (2,975 posts)

14. It's hard for me to not be bitter.n/t

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Response to rainin (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:50 PM

Duppers (26,684 posts)

18. Same here.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:09 PM

Brother Buzz (34,569 posts)

10. Bummer, their message can be so easily dismissed in the 'flyover states'....

as two kooky nuts from California.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:24 PM

Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)

12. Let's not forget Al Franken. More vocal than Lieu, esp early on.

I hope no one comes forward to say Lieu or Schiff tried to kiss them once.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:32 PM

rainin (2,975 posts)

15. It worked before. Republicans are good at repeating what works.

And we have no one to blame but ourselves.

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Response to rainin (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 11:40 PM

Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)

44. +1. nt

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:35 PM

murielm99 (29,852 posts)

16. Oh goody!

Another "let's bash Dems" thread.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:47 PM

TwistOneUp (1,020 posts)

17. Sorry to be such a N00b but:

What does "NT" mean?

And "KR" means "kick (as in kick it up) and route"? Or?

I tried to google these two terms but got conflicting info, and they weren't in the Urban Dictionary when I looked. Also, DU doesn't appear to have a "find" facility...

Thanks in advance!

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Response to TwistOneUp (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 05:02 PM

flying_wahini (5,304 posts)

31. No text and kick&recommend

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Response to TwistOneUp (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 05:03 PM

murielm99 (29,852 posts)

32. No text.

You don't have to read past the subject line.

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Response to TwistOneUp (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 07:21 PM

TwistOneUp (1,020 posts)

42. Thanks for explaining that!

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:29 PM

Sam McGee (347 posts)

23. And another dedicated loser heard from.

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Response to Sam McGee (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 05:04 PM

murielm99 (29,852 posts)

33. The losers are the people trying to divide our party.

Nice try.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:57 PM

Doitnow (1,103 posts)

19. So proud Ted Lieu is my Rep.----used to have Rohrbacher---(%$#&()&) bleh, yuck, Eew,

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Response to Doitnow (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:35 PM

State the Obvious (832 posts)

24. Send Schiff and Lieu Letters of Support

They both need to know how much we appreciate their efforts and their patriotism. Thank them for showing us the importance of speaking up.

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Response to State the Obvious (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:49 PM

smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)

28. I am a fan of both of them and would love to see them run for higher office.

Although I don't think Lieu can since he was born in Taiwan. We need more democrats like them. People who are willing to confront the republicans head on and not play nice, like so many of them do. Enough of this high road shit. This is war. This is serious.

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Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)

Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:35 PM

bluecollar2 (3,622 posts)