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Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:17 PM

Which would harm the moron the most, laundering money or collusion?

On edit, can he be charged with BOTH treason and conspiracy and/or collusion? People have been charged with more than one crime but which one would stick and he couldn't get pardoned for?

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Reply Which would harm the moron the most, laundering money or collusion? (Original post)
BigmanPigman Jan 2018 OP
csziggy Jan 2018 #1
Roland99 Jan 2018 #4
csziggy Jan 2018 #5
Roland99 Jan 2018 #8
TomSlick Jan 2018 #6
csziggy Jan 2018 #10
Alice11111 Jan 2018 #18
dvduval Jan 2018 #2
Alice11111 Jan 2018 #19
TomSlick Jan 2018 #3
global1 Jan 2018 #7
herding cats Jan 2018 #9
secondwind Jan 2018 #11
tanyev Jan 2018 #12
HopeAgain Jan 2018 #13
Alice11111 Jan 2018 #21
JonLP24 Jan 2018 #14
Cicada Jan 2018 #15
roamer65 Jan 2018 #16
L. Coyote Jan 2018 #17
Alice11111 Jan 2018 #20
DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #22

Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:19 PM

1. Collusion is not a legal charge, so money laundering

After all, the idiot's casino paid a huge fine for not preventing money laundering after they had been previously warned about it.

Trump's casino was a money laundering concern shortly after it opened

By Jose Pagliery, CNN Investigates

Updated 8:21 AM ET, Mon May 22, 2017

The Trump Taj Mahal casino broke anti-money laundering rules 106 times in its first year and a half of operation in the early 1990s, according to the IRS in a 1998 settlement agreement.
It's a bit of forgotten history that's buried in federal records held by an investigative unit of the Treasury Department, records that congressional committees investigating Trump's ties to Russia have obtained access to, CNN has learned.
The casino repeatedly failed to properly report gamblers who cashed out $10,000 or more in a single day, the government said.

Trump's casino ended up paying the Treasury Department a $477,000 fine in 1998 without admitting any liability under the Bank Secrecy Act.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/trump-taj-mahal/index.html

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Response to csziggy (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:23 PM

4. Yeah. And a lifetime ban from the hotel and gaming industry!

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:23 PM

5. See my edit - CNN covered the money laundering in May 2017 nt

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Response to csziggy (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:27 PM

8. Geezus

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Response to csziggy (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:25 PM

6. You post more quickly than I.

Collusion is not a crime but conspiracy certainly is. It seems clear at this point that someone senior in the campaign conspired with Russia to aid in its attack on the United States' political process.

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:32 PM

10. Oh, definitely conspiracy is what I hope can be proven

But of the two choices in the OP, money laundering is the crime that can be prosecuted - and almost certainly more easily proven.

I might post fast sometimes, but then I have to go back and edit, either to correct typos or to add sources.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 02:18 AM

18. Good post. Geez, he got off with a peanut parking ticket, as usual. Imagine what the Repubs would h

Done with that info on Hillary.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:21 PM

2. Treason

If it is treason, Pence is out too. If the Dems win the House, their Speaker of the House takes the Presidentís seat. Please confirm but I think Iím right.

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Response to dvduval (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 02:23 AM

19. It would have to be the perfect storm of timing, but it is possible. If the Repubs could find a way

to the Supremes, as they did in Bush v Gore, there is Gorsuch. I fantasize about it too...Nancy in charge.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:22 PM

3. I think conspiracy is the more serious crime.

Conspiracy with the Russians to subvert the American political process is a political crime and impeachment is a political process. Money laundering is a tawdry mobster crime. Conspiracy with a hostile government while it attacks the United States is the more serious offense - irrespective the of the potential prison sentences.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:26 PM

7. I'm For Whichever Offense Gives Trump The....

harshest penalty.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:27 PM

9. Of those two I think money laundering.

Itís how you take down all mafia types after all.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:32 PM

11. I think money laundering. He will not be able to dodge that bullet.

Tax evasion, etc will also sink him. And, NO pardon.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:40 PM

12. Or all that McDonalds?

Might render everything else moot.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:47 PM

13. 40% of America wont care about any charge.

They will just keep blabbin about emails and uranium.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 02:26 AM

21. LOL, but it is true. Not funny that 40pc are so ignorant or vindictive, or both.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:50 PM

14. Whatever happened to "hanged as a spy" from the revolutionary war?

Espionage only applies if you passed along classified information I'm not sure what applicable laws apply but it is far lower than what is actually is going on.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 01:06 AM

15. We are not at war with Russia so treason is out

Treason is narrowly defined in the constitution, requires helping an ďenemy.Ē Those writing the constitution viewed enemy as someone we were at war with. Real war, not Cold War.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 01:22 AM

16. Money laundering.

Usually open and shut case.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 01:29 AM

17. Laundering Russian mob money to his campaign would be a good start.

Hiring Russian hackers to spy on the DNC and Dems would be a big deal.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 02:24 AM

20. Good OP, Bigman

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 02:32 AM

22. Money laundering

That could also be prosecuted by NY AG Sniederman and other state AGs where Trump owns property.

FTR, conspiracy is the crime, not collusion. Collusion is just sort of the shorthand term for getting together to commit a crime. AFAIK, conspiracy does not even have to result in a crime, it just has to be 2 or more people planning with each other to commit one. Also, again, afaik, you don't have to be in on the conspiracy from the beginning, you can become part of it at any time.

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