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Reply USPS versus Republicans lies... (Original post)
pbmus Jan 3 OP
louis-t Jan 3 #1
Eliot Rosewater Jan 3 #2
2left4u Jan 3 #25
SergeStorms Jan 4 #42
n2doc Jan 3 #3
Elwood P Dowd Jan 3 #4
marble falls Jan 3 #5
Bradical79 Jan 4 #48
marble falls Jan 4 #52
RandomAccess Jan 3 #7
wryter2000 Jan 3 #13
Scarsdale Jan 4 #44
Doitnow Jan 4 #38
A HERETIC I AM Jan 4 #43
Angry Dragon Jan 3 #6
TheBlackAdder Jan 3 #8
exboyfil Jan 3 #12
TheBlackAdder Jan 3 #14
exboyfil Jan 3 #15
Doremus Jan 3 #16
politicaljunkie41910 Jan 3 #18
druidity33 Jan 3 #26
Kirk Lover Jan 4 #39
rurallib Jan 3 #9
yonder Jan 3 #10
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 3 #11
rickford66 Jan 3 #23
FuzzyRabbit Jan 3 #27
stuffmatters Jan 3 #17
mac56 Jan 3 #19
Chakaconcarne Jan 3 #20
spanone Jan 3 #21
cp Jan 3 #22
LakeArenal Jan 3 #24
The Genealogist Jan 3 #28
Cha Jan 3 #29
pbmus Jan 3 #30
Cha Jan 3 #32
Hoyt Jan 3 #31
x1959b Jan 3 #33
California_Republic Jan 3 #34
pansypoo53219 Jan 3 #35
MontanaMama Jan 3 #36
PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 4 #37
MontanaMama Jan 4 #51
PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 4 #56
MontanaMama Jan 4 #58
JI7 Jan 4 #40
burrowowl Jan 4 #41
oberliner Jan 4 #45
LanternWaste Jan 4 #57
Chimichurri Jan 4 #46
Omaha Steve Jan 4 #47
Nitram Jan 4 #49
crazycatlady Jan 4 #50
Ferrets are Cool Jan 4 #53
stopbush Jan 4 #54
Demoiselle Jan 4 #55
Orrex Jan 4 #59
nolabels Jan 4 #60
red dog 1 Jan 4 #61

Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:29 PM

1. I always try to include USPS when repugs claim

Social Security and Medicare are "drivers of debt". GOP lies all the time.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:30 PM

2. Operating under the assumption the GOP cares about veterans, they dont.

That the constitution requires we have the USPS, they despise the constitution.

They are no better now than a terrorist organization.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:22 PM

25. Amen

They only care about veterans when they need to start a new conflict and recall them to fight in it.

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Response to 2left4u (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 02:44 AM

42. And photo-ops.

Don't forget the photo-ops. They look so good on their campaign flyers.

And a big WELCOME to DU! Damned glad to have you here.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:39 PM

3. I mailed a package across country 1 week before Xmas

They said it would take until Friday (4 days) just before Xmas. It took TWO DAYS!!!

USPS ROCKS!

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Response to n2doc (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:50 PM

4. I once sold stuff on eBay.

Mailed hundreds of packages from 1999 to 2007. Never had one damaged and never had one complaint about them arriving late. Even media mail made it to the destination on time or, in some cases, earlier than promised. Can't say that about FedEx or UPS.

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Response to Elwood P Dowd (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 04:51 PM

5. FedEx and UPS both use the post office to deliver their smaller packages.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 09:49 AM

48. That's the only time USPS causes me problems

Seems where I am something gets screwed up in the handoff occasionally. On their own, I've always had good results with UPS and USPS. Fed Ex, not so much.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 11:30 AM

52. I hate UPS little old brown truck mentality and FedEx's panic every Christmas season. I love the ...

USPO. Compared to even Canada's postal system, we are soooo fortunate to have the USPO. I give them high points since Clinton made some good changes in the 90's.

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Response to Elwood P Dowd (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:22 PM

7. Yep. I'm a fan too.

Damage usually results from improper packing.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:53 PM

13. Love the Postal Service

I live on a strange street where the numbers on the opposite side are different from my side. The postal service has never had a problem finding me. Not so FedEx and UPS.

The postal service is fast and cheap. Try sending a letter from CA to NY for under 50 cents with one of the others.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 07:10 AM

44. Face it,

the gop is against ANYTHING that actually works and helps ordinary people. Who do they have in mind to take over the USPS and screw it up, I wonder?

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Response to n2doc (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:14 AM

38. My post office in past years usually had long lines during the end of year holidays. This year

they must have had a new system going because it was noticeably different---a breeze going thru and being helped. They had great service every time I went there.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:14 PM

6. kick

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:39 PM

8. Even if you use FedEx and UPS, a high probability USPS delivers it. Thanks to millions spent on lobbying.

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That's called Final Segment Delivery. It's the way Companies Socialize Costs and Privatize Profits.


FedEX and UPS do not have the vehicles or manpower to perform many final segment deliveries.


What they do is lobby to cripple the USPS so they aren't a competitive threat to their next day services, but keep them viable enough to have the USPS perform the most costly portion of package delivery--that being the distribution center to the home or office. The post office makes one cent per package. That's right, just one cent profit.


The private carriers pocket the savings. Many USPS centers have a FedEx and UPS drop box and perform the receiving and sorting of packages, especially local ones. They will white label the packages, so you won't even know the private carriers never even touched the package and USPS did everything.


So, the private carriers use the quasi-government USPS to save money and stay viable, since neither of them could deliver the packages without huge equipment and labor expenses. They do this just a penny over USPS costs. But, they privatize the the profits that they bilk from their customers.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:47 PM

12. They should be using a demand down model

and not a cost up model. They need to be setting their price at just the point that UPS and Fed Ex reject the capital investment to deliver their own packages for the final segment. In that sense Trump is right (but his corporate masters won't like it if the Post Office pursues this policy). I don't know if USPS has the expertise to do this pricing. If not they should look to hire a former marketing manager or operations type from UPS or Fed Ex.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:54 PM

14. The USPS can't even raise the price of a stamp easily. The Postal Commission hamstrings efforts.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:00 PM

15. I didn't know that

I can understand postage stamps being controlled since it is a legislated monopoly.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:01 PM

16. That's first class mail.

They have full authority to alter the prices of other classes of mail, such as Priority and all the flat rate boxes without going through Congress.


Edited to add:

I just read recently that the hoops to raising First Class postage have been lowered, making it much easier to raise stamp prices.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:13 PM

18. It's also cheaper to send a FedEx Letter through the Post Office rather than FedEx.

Many, many years ago, I had to send my son his birth certificate overnight. I went to my local FedEx 'since it absolutely had to be their overnight'. Well FedEx wanted to charge me about $25. The FedEx clerk whispered to me that it would be cheaper if I sent it through the Post Office. I said, but it has to be there overnight. She said you can send it via FedEx for less through the Post Office. I said "Okay", not truly convinced and hating that I might have to drive all the way to the Post Office only to have to end up back at FedEx. Once at the Post Office and not convinced, the Post Office Clerk pleasantly instructed me where the FedEx envelopes were and it ended up costing me about $13. I thanked the clerk at the Post Office after making sure it would be there the next day. She then told me it would be there the next day and she was certain of that because it was going on a USPS plane along with all of the other FedEx stuff that had to be their overnight. I told her never knew that, and it was cheaper. She said a lot of people don't know that, so make sure that you tell them. I told her I would. I then drove all the way back to FedEx to thank the clerk there again. I told her "you know I didn't believe you when I left here". She said, "I know".

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:22 PM

26. I hear that, but...

I live at the end of an un-well travelled gravel road (20 minutes), which hits my driveway and meanders down a long DIRT road (6 minutes)... and i get deliveries from FedEx, UPS, and USPS. Just depends on who i order from and who they contract to deliver to me. I'm not sure why i don't exemplify that "last mile" customer. I'm as out of the way as you can get in Western MA.

Of course, i do a fair amount of shipping and only ever use the USPS. I go to my PO in town and ship things. Period. Why would i as a person (not a business) need to use another shipping service? Besides, as a Union guy i tend to want to use Union businesses...



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Response to druidity33 (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:14 AM

39. Sounds really nice I have a friend in Dalton. n/t

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:39 PM

9. I love my post office and all their employees

who have good union jobs.

No doubt Dumb Donnie has that union in his sights

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:43 PM

10. bookmarked and rec'd!

thanks for the post (no pun) but thanks TO the post office as well

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 05:45 PM

11. Strangling even the non-government parts of the government.




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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:56 PM

23. Nobody knew that - DJT

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:31 PM

27. So the post office is required to pay for retirement benefits for people who aren't even born yet?

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:04 PM

17. Darrell Issa one of the strongest forces for privatizing, eliminating our beloved USPS

That whole Repug "must fund pensions 70 years into the future" racket put the USPS in serious straights. Part of the ALEC (UPS/FEDEX) low hanging fruit they thought. But the USPS has fought the Repugs back tooth & nail and is surviving the kneecapping.

USPS is also one of the largest employers of minorities (Democratic voters) ...another reason it was targeted by Repugs.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:17 PM

20. They also cover the last leg of most Amazon shipments....



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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:19 PM

21. republicans really don't give a shit about the constitution.

profit above all.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 06:40 PM

22. Love my Post Office

Great bargain. Community center.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:16 PM

24. Best Bargain in America....

I once ordered tickets and asked they be mailed to me.. They wanted $15 to send them UPS.. Would not send them USPS.

I will support the Post Office always.. They are my friends, family and neighbors.

My postman is Donny. Thanks Donny..

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:36 PM

28. I despise right wing attitudes toward the USPS

My grandpa was a letter carrier for about 25 years. He was very proud of having been a letter carrier, and I am proud to tell people that he was as well. He had so many stories about people he met and knew on his route, and he made many friends in the course of career. He left with a good retirement. He even wore his old work shirts til the day he died. The USPS is a fine service, I don't hesitate for a minute to use them, I've always gotten much better service from the USPS than other companies.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:45 PM

29. I'm REC but I thought that the

USPS was in debt?

Debt-plagued U.S. Postal Service eyes bipartisan bill to solve woes

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/03/01/debt-plagued-us-postal-service-eyes-bipartisan-bill-solve-woes/97944594/

P.S.. I get all my Amazon deliveries from the USPS!

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Response to Cha (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:50 PM

30. Depends who you believe...

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Response to pbmus (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 08:21 PM

32. I hadn't seen this.. Thank you,

pbmus, for clearing this up for me!

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 08:14 PM

31. Used to ride with my granddad in the 50s, rural carrier. Once calculated that if Postal Services

raised their rates like $0.02 per item, they'd be well in the black even with stupid pension accounting rules.

UPS and FedEx are great for what they do, but Postal Service does it well too, sometimes at much lower cost. Try sending a guitar, or something similar size, overseas and see which one is significantly cheaper.

Then, see what FedEx or UPS charges to mail a Christmas card.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 09:08 PM

33. for the life of me

i dont understand why Deocratic voters do not shove this down the republican (cough": choke)

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 10:11 PM

34. Amazon: was just telling a friend I wish

I wish I could choose my delivery method on Amazon because I would pick USPS

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 10:15 PM

35. publikkklans sabotaging the USPS. fuck the GOP.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:55 PM

36. Sorry to be the

Turd in the punch bowl here...but I own a small business that ships multiple parcels daily both domestically and internationally. While I love the mail carrier tha picks up from my shop, the reality is that USPS pricing is sooooooo much higher than Fedex for us. I negotiate my FedEx rates yearly. I can't do that with USPS. Further, if there's an issue with a shipment, getting a USPS customer service person on the phone is difficult at best. My business orders a lot of supplies on online...Amazon and other retailers...some of those vendors ship via UPS or Fedex who will the hand off those packages to USPS for final destination delivery...WELL, I'm sad to say that if we're going to have an issue with delivery of those supplies, it is always at the point of UPS or Fedex giving the shipment to USPS where it gets messed up. Don't get me wrong... I want to LOVE USPS because I believe in their mission. I've just not experienced their awesomeness first hand at my business...where it matters.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:09 AM

37. Anytime someone complains about the USPS, just hand them an envelope

and 49 cents, or whatever the current cost of a stamp is, and ask them to get it to West Jesus, Pennsylvania, or North Bumfuck, Montana. They'll stare at you in total incomprehension, but delivering first class mail to every single part of this country for an incredibly low price, is exactly what the Post Office does.

Oh, and postal rates in almost every other country is about double what we pay.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 10:07 AM

51. Absolutely agree

on the price and value of the USPS for getting a letter from here to anywhere...particularly rural addresses. However, when they are quite flawed at package delivery and tracking. I ship thousands of dollars in parcels monthly. I’d love to use them more but just can’t. USPS is our go to for the mail but not for parcel...it isn’t bad mouthing when it is the truth.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:38 PM

56. I don't do a lot of shipping of any kind,

but my experience in recent years is that the USPS does an excellent job of delivery and tracking. Especially since all packages now have tracking numbers.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 01:12 PM

58. Yes they do a find job

with tracking when they generate the shipping label and the package travels with the USPS from start to finish. However, there's a trend with several online retailers including Amazon where UPS will hand off a parcel to USPS for final destination delivery - at that point, the UPS tracking # ceases to exist and USPS replaces that # with their own tracking #. We have had three packages in the last month get lost at that particular point within the USPS system. It is beyond frustrating when I'm trying to run a business. The good news is that I know what USPS does well and I use them within those boundaries. I ship often to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany and the UK and USPS is the only viable option to those countries. Glass half full!

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:20 AM

40. the Employees are also very Diverse

unless something only benefits their racist gun nut asshole base they want to destroy it.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 01:27 AM

41. K&R

and FEDEX and UPS use then at low rates and these corporations don't deliver to rural areas!
Damn Rethugs!

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 07:22 AM

45. Maybe don't have a spelling error on your fact sheet?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:54 PM

57. Maybe stay on topic rather than point out an irrelevancy?

Maybe stay on topic rather than point out an irrelevancy?

(it's fun... I get why you do it)

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 07:26 AM

46. Please include the 2006 Poison Pill the GOP

Pushed thru and Bush signed designed to bankrupt USPS so they could privatize it.

What the law did was ram a poison pill down the throat of the Post Office. It required the USPS to pre-funding its Retiree Health Benefits Fund for more than seven decades out into the future – and do it all within ten years. With this law, Congress forced the Post Office to set aside money for the health benefits of future retirees who aren’t even born yet.

It’s an obligation that no other private business or government agency has ever had to comply with before. And it costs the Post Office $5 billion a year.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/14486-the-usps-media-fail

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Response to Chimichurri (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 08:14 AM

47. THIS




K&R!

OS

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 09:54 AM

49. It is interesting that Republicans fought to prevent the USPS from closing down small post offices

that were losing money in rural red districts.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 09:57 AM

50. The USPS is an online seller's friend

I'm very thankful for my Post Office. I'm even contemplating going there in a blizzard because I have pussyhats to ship

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 11:33 AM

53. And if it were not for USPS

it would cost you $5 to send a letter via private shipping company.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 11:40 AM

54. Why dont people who create these banners use spell check?

“Employes?”

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Response to stopbush (Reply #54)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 12:36 PM

55. Beat me to it.Hey, mistakes happen!

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 01:17 PM

59. The USPS is excellent, and anyone who says otherwise is a fool

Everyone has an anecdotal story about this or that letter that the USPS mishandled blah blah blah. Spare me.

AFAIC they should bump the price of a first class stamp to $1.00, and it would still be a bargain.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 01:21 PM

60. Piece of shit republicans cannot stand well implemented government programs they cannot abuse

Maybe some type of scientific study could be researched to actually determine if republicans are genetically are not just branching off another malevolent strain or rodents

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Jan 4, 2018, 03:45 PM

61. What is your source for this?

Re: "USPS is not losing money"

According to the U.S. Government Accountability Office's 2017 report titled:
"Restructuring the U.S. Postal Service to Achieve Sustainable Liability"

"The U.S. Postal Service faces a serious financial situation that is putting it's mission of providing prompt, reliable, and efficient universal mail services at risk.
It reported a net loss of $5.6 billion in fiscal year 2016 - it's 10th consecutive year of net loses.
Additionally, it continues to face unfunded liabilities - totaling about $121 billion at the end of fiscal year 2016.
These unfunded liabilities consist mostly of retiree health and pension benefit obligations for which USPS has not set aside sufficient funds to cover."

View entire 2017 GAO report:
https://www.gao.gov/highrisk/restructuring_postal/why_did_study

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