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Mon Dec 25, 2017, 05:50 PM

Money laundering will be the next charges.

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Manafort and Bank of Cypress, Russia, Turkey, et. al

Gates and Bank of Cypress et. al

So-Ho Properties, New York

Ivanka Trump failed hotel project in Azerbaijan

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-azerbaijan-hotel-linked-with-corruption-iran-2017-3

Ivanka Trump diamond shops

Never mind the political aspects of Trump family Russian contacts, denials and retractions, etc., what about the financial aspects? The public record evidence is clear of provable money laundering. The MO's are similar. The method is classic international money laundering.

Proof of treason, obstruction is tough. What with the state of mind and intent standards. Money laundering and related financial crimes. Not so much.

And so far those are the major publically known stories and general evidence.

What about Jared's and Trump's foreign bank loans...also used as the front end cash load for money laundering, perhaps?

Like, say, passing money through a no expenses barred built golf course and hotel in a remote Scotland coastal backwash that can not possibly return a profit? Like NEVER?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-scotland-golf-course-resort-losses

Seems the Trump family have a habit of obtaining huge loans for tons of money to build things requiring tons of money, but when the initial capital money is spent, as in washed through the construction...then Trump family does not give two fucks about the project itself except to milk it through no bid very generous management contracts.

A LOT of coincidences for any investigation to ignore, let alone be stopped, AND just as when what would have been meticulously concealed financial crimes become clear!

Even the limited view the public has to now seems compelling ...you can see the connected threads on a macro level at least.

Maybe a similar fact evidence argument is available. And what other threads does Mueller see connected together in a complicated web of people, banks, corporations and politicians on the time line board pinned to his office wall....who knows?

And how does the public even know any of this? Not because of partisan Congressional probes being obstructed by Trump family allies, which likely would not even have been set up if not for Congress being compelled to call to appoint Special Counsel after the Comey firing.

To end an investigation because the investigation is investigating TOO well makes no sense...unless the investigation has found something on someone, someone with perhaps a huuuge ego, thought would never be found..., or at least could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. But something has been found. Yes, it clearly has with two hog tied major witnesses, one a General, as in real, witness often praised by the Prime Target. So, Beyond reasonable doubt or very very close.

So, in conclusion, Money laundering. Money laundering and related federal and state charges will be the charges, my prediction.

Russia treason can wait until the criminal charges of the highest officials of the land are resolved...see South America for how completely unpredictable this situation becomes.

Mueller already has hammer in hand. What matter who drops it if it really is a hammer? Better strategy to try to discredit Thor than attempt to disarm him.

Just ask Flynn and Papadopoulos how strong the proof is.

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Reply Money laundering will be the next charges. (Original post)
Fred Sanders Dec 2017 OP
Pachamama Dec 2017 #1
democratisphere Dec 2017 #2
Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #24
doc03 Dec 2017 #3
Woodycall Dec 2017 #19
Girard442 Dec 2017 #4
exboyfil Dec 2017 #5
Girard442 Dec 2017 #10
pangaia Dec 2017 #11
onetexan Dec 2017 #27
jaysunb Dec 2017 #7
Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #15
dawg day Dec 2017 #20
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2017 #21
Rollo Dec 2017 #6
jaysunb Dec 2017 #8
Mr.Bill Dec 2017 #9
McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #13
Mr.Bill Dec 2017 #16
McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #18
McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #17
secondwind Dec 2017 #12
duforsure Dec 2017 #14
pecosbob Dec 2017 #22
mgardener Dec 2017 #23
Golden Raisin Dec 2017 #25
triron Dec 2017 #26

Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 05:54 PM

1. It will be interesting to hear Ivanka Trump explain how Diamonds are a girls bestfriend...

That and many other amazing details that Robert Mueller will be letting us know....

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 05:54 PM

2. Don't forget Wilbur Ross.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 07:16 PM

24. Yes, although Ross is not engaged in money laundering, more skittering sanctions for personal

profit through his equity firm holdings profiting from Russia connections.

Why always Russia involved, except the German bank loan to Kushner, which was is like a quarter of a billion, that has to be a laundering ploy.

https://www.thestar.com/news/paradise-papers/2017/11/05/wilbur-ross-trumps-commerce-secretary-has-offshore-ties-to-putin-cronies-leaked-documents-reveal.html

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 05:55 PM

3. I think They know. That's why Trump News is in full panic mode. I would like to

see Hannity have a massive heart attack on Trump News.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:52 PM

19. That would be a precious moment n/t

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 05:57 PM

4. I think the endgame will be to drop all charges in exchange for tRump's resignation.

For, say, health reasons.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:00 PM

5. I wouldn't take that

Trump is a problem, but he is not the problem.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:26 PM

10. Oh, I'd love to see him and his gang tried publicly and convicted, but...

...there's a boatload of practical difficulties there. Better 60% of something than a 100% of nothing.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:35 PM

11. I wouldn;t either.

It is the entire republican party that is the true enemy..Even more than the russians...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 11:34 PM

27. Agree

They're all complicit in this entire scam. My hope is the entire administration will implode.

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:05 PM

7. I like it. :) n/t

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:40 PM

15. I think so too, something along these lines. nt

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:53 PM

20. Look back before Nixon....

His vice president-- re-elected with him in 1972- resigned (tax evasion but for bribery) in return for a plea bargain-- 1 felony count, fine and probation.

What was different between him and Nixon was-- Agnew was convicted after resignation. Nixon didn't pardon him. (Ford did pardon Nixon, who wasn't indicted-- not enough time!)

I'd for sure rather have Trump convicted, at least. But if not that-- the Agnew resigns first model is really great as then he didn't move into the presidency. Would that Pence could be forced to resign first.

(BTW, the Agnew crimes had nothing to do with Watergate. Amazing-- he was just the old-fashioned type of crook.)

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Response to Girard442 (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:59 PM

21. GOP may decide ridding toxic tRump by 25th is more brand-saving than impeaching.

But the charges will stick. They will either be proven in court or pardoned people will be subpoenaed with no 5th protection so they will have to talk. In any case, reports will be written, journalists will investigate, historians will analyze and summarize.

This massive Trump-Russia rigging will not stand the light of day. It will be exposed.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:02 PM

6. He's a crook... lock him up!

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:10 PM

8. I fully agree w/ your assesment,

but I'm betting the very obvious obstruction allegation will be used as leverage as suggested by another poster up thread. Resignation is the end game here to save the family and himself, and it can't happen soon enough.

Now, Pence...that's another very delicious salad.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:21 PM

9. No deals.

Everyone needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for every single crime committed. The way we got to where we are now is by letting other in history walk away after committing crimes. If there are no consequences, there will be no deterrent for the next gang of criminals who steal an election and hijack our government to loot the treasury.

I will be very disappointed if they don't all die of natural causes in a federal prison.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:39 PM

13. Trump has been an informant for the fed before. He will rollover on the Mob

and various foreign corporations and governments. And then he and his family will have Secret Service and government witness protection. He will accomplish this by holding his tongue about domestic corporate criminals like Exxon that no one in DC wants to touch.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:45 PM

16. Not saying that can't happen,

just saying if it does it's the wrong thing to do and it will only make it happen again.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:46 PM

18. Repeating the mistakes that make rich people more money is the American way!

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:45 PM

17. Advice to wanna be banksters. Dont. The fed will want to indict a few

US business types so they will look for individuals and underlings and ignore the really big fish the way Mueller did with Enron. Note that no Bush administration official including Thomas White went to jail even though the Bush people facilitated the energy price gouging of California by appointing Enronís pick for Energy chief Nora Brownell.

So, if Congress seems to be making it really easy to do again what banksters did in 2006 to 2008, donít do it. It is a set up. The real VIP will walk the way they did at Nuremberg.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:36 PM

12. Ive always said that they would get them on money laundering.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 06:40 PM

14. Trump's getting more and more desperate

Russian Cyber attacks used to distract, then blame others to start a war with? Getting scary with these criminals in control.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 07:03 PM

22. The ongoing money laundering crimes

make it almost certain that they will use RICO statutes.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 07:07 PM

23. I don't think NY will back down

Nor will NJ.
Trump has screwed both states with his business deals and bankruptcy schemes.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 09:58 PM

25. Hopefully something will bring this cabal down

before Trump plunges us into a war with N. Korea, Iran, or fill-in-the-blank. Might be too late if and when we are on a war footing.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 10:49 PM

26. kick for visibility

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