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Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:08 AM

In your opinion, will the #METOO movement maintain

steam or fizzle out like Occupy?
I hope it remains a viable movement and brings change, but I do wonder if anything "good" can maintain itself in this environment.
Your thoughts?

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Reply In your opinion, will the #METOO movement maintain (Original post)
Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 OP
wryter2000 Dec 2017 #1
crazycatlady Dec 2017 #2
ismnotwasm Dec 2017 #3
Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #5
IluvPitties Dec 2017 #4

Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:19 AM

1. My opinion

Once all the old stories are told, it will taper off. I think it's already had a good effect, and I believe it will continue to do so.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:21 AM

2. Occupy didn't kill any careers

So far #metoo has killed the following careers

Harvey Weinstein
Louis CK
Matt Lauer
Kevin Spacey*
Charlie Rose
Al Franken
Blake Farenthold
John Conyers
Trent Franks
Ruben Kihuen
Roy Moore

These are just careers in entertainment, media, and politics. I'm sure there's lower profile men who have been fired due to it.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:33 AM

3. I dont think anyone understands how ingrained sexual harassment and sexual assault is

Feminists have been trying to tell, well, everyone that it happens every single day. We’ve been screaming in what felt like wilderness for years. So, while, yes, I think it will “lose stream”, I don’t think it will stop being a viable movement because as I typed this, another person has been harassed or sexually assaulted. If every person who has experienced this gets a voice, finally it #metoo has the potential to change our culture.

I am linking this essay by Andrea Dworkin in all my responses to this topic, because I am very angry about what women experience and she used words better than I do


I Want a Twenty-Four-Hour Truce
During Which There Is No Rape
1983


I want to talk to you about equality, what equality is and what it means. It isn't just an idea. It's not some insipid word that ends up being bullshit. It doesn't have anything at all to do with all those statements like: "Oh, that happens to men too." I name an abuse and I hear: "Oh, it happens to men too." That is not the equality we are struggling for. We could change our strategy and say: well, okay, we want equality; we'll stick something up the ass of a man every three minutes.

You've never heard that from the feminist movement, because for us equality has real dignity and importance--it's not some dumb word that can be twisted and made to look stupid as if it had no real meaning.

As a way of practicing equality, some vague idea about giving up power is useless. Some men have vague thoughts about a future in which men are going to give up power or an individual man is going to give up some kind of privilege that he has. That is not what equality means either.

Equality is a practice. It is an action. It is a way of life. It is a social practice. It is an economic practice. It is a sexual practice. It can't exist in a vacuum. You can't have it in your home if, when the people leave the home, he is in a world of his supremacy based on the existence of his cock and she is in a world of humiliation and degradation because she is perceived to be inferior and because her sexuality is a curse.
This is not to say that the attempt to practice equality in the home doesn't matter. It matters, but it is not enough. If you love equality, if you believe in it, if it is the way you want to live--not just men and women together in a home, but men and men together in a home and women and women together in a home--if equality is what you want and what you care about, then you have to fight for the institutions that will make it socially real.
It is not just a matter of your attitude. You can't think it and make it exist. You can't try sometimes, when it works to your advantage, and throw it out the rest of the time. Equality is a discipline. It is a way of life. It is a political necessity to create equality in institutions. And another thing about equality is that it cannot coexist with rape. It cannot. And it cannot coexist with pornography or with prostitution or with the economic degradation of women on any level, in any way. It cannot coexist, because implicit in all those things is the inferiority of women.

I want to see this men's movement make a commitment to ending rape because that is the only meaningful commitment to equality. It is astonishing that in all our worlds of feminism and antisexism we never talk seriously about ending rape. Ending it. Stopping it. No more. No more rape. In the back of our minds, are we holding on to its inevitability as the last preserve of the biological? Do we think that it is always going to exist no matter what we do? All of our political actions are lies if we don't make a commitment to ending the practice of rape. This commitment has to be political. It has to be serious. It has to be systematic. It has to be public. It can't be self-indulgent.

http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/WarZoneChaptIIIE.html

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:41 PM

5. I agree....men do not understand what it is like to be

a female. Likewise, if white people to think they know what it's like to be black in America are kidding themselves. I thought we were making progress in the last 8 years, but now we have slipped backwards at least 40-50 years. It will take ages for us to even get back to where we were in 2015 and that wasn't a very good place when it comes to equality.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:35 AM

4. Everything "fizzles" and transforms itself with time...

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