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Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:34 AM

So Cenk Uhgur is a sexist jerk...

[link:https://www.thewrap.com/young-turks-cenk-uygur-blog-breasts-women-flawed/|

So when Hillary supporters were complaining about the sexism, and we were all told it was just our imagination...are we to be believed now? Seems a lot of media men are being outed as sexist assholes...demeaning women...looking back on the reporting done on Hillary, we were right.

Oh, just wanted to add...he calls his crap "satire" when he talks about teenage girls and how they are whores in the making...I don't care if it was in the early 2000's and he was a republican...that does not excuse this.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:42 AM

1. I dont go near cenk or tyt anymore

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:43 AM

3. Me either...His Hillary hate was way too much for me.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:18 PM

88. That's what drove me away too....... nt

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Response to all american girl (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:27 PM

92. "His Hillary hate was way too much for me."

THIS!

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:43 AM

2. There are a lot of sexist jerks we don't know about...yet.

We will, and some will surprise many people, I predict.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:44 AM

5. And every single one of them need to be called out,especially if they are a supposed ally.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:56 AM

14. I agree completely.

We need to know who those people are.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:30 PM

72. All men at some point in life are sexist

 

It was a part of growing up, but we can hope it will be different in the future.

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #72)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:37 PM

75. That's a rather broad generalization.

And like most such generalizations, it's bound to be incorrect.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #75)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:55 PM

78. Maybe

 

But do you mean to tell me when you were a teen-ager you never expressed a view of a girl as a sex object to your male friends

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #78)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:02 PM

81. Actually, no, I never did.

I did not talk to my male friends about girls. I talked to the girls, instead. I found that far more rewarding. Most of my male friends also treated the girls at our school with respect as well. I tried to choose my friends carefully. Further, when guys I knew made sexist or such statements, I typically defended the girls they mentioned.

Perhaps I was unusual, but I had male friends who did the same, too.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #81)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:20 PM

89. So I was wrong

 

But I must admit that in my experience you are unusual, more men talk (not act) like Trump rather then you. That is why he survived the tape.

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #89)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:27 PM

93. I don't know that more men do that, actually.

It depends on the people you choose as your associates. The crowd you run with may behave quite differently than some other group. I was raised to respect people, regardless of their sex, appearance and other characteristics. I knew a lot of people who were raised the same way. I also know people who were not, but chose not to hang with those people.

I couldn't tell you what percentages of people in my youth were one way or another, frankly. I can tell you that the high school boys I was around didn't say crude or sexual things about girls. We all thought girls were terrific, and wanted them to like us, so we treated them well and made friends with them. It worked out pretty well, actually.

The same held true as we became adults. By choosing associates who were like-minded, we can control our own environment to some degree.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #93)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:44 PM

94. Most men I know

 

have said something like "what a nice piece of a$$" at some point

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #94)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:46 PM

95. As I said, you choose the company you keep.

If the company you're keeping isn't to your liking, choose a different group.

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #94)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:19 PM

108. And you think that somehow excuses men who are adults from

behaving in a way that demeans women in a very public way?

Because that is exactly what it sounds like you are doing.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #108)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:41 PM

117. What I am concerned about is that we not fight each other

 

We have real enemies to fight. I believe that all people (including myself) have been sexist at some point in their lives, even if they do not know it. Some like Trump are blatant and even proud of it, while others do not even know they are doing it. We must teach the later and fight the former. But we can not dwell on the past, everybody makes mistakes, but we must save our energy for the present fight.

PS - just because a person did not support Hillary does not make them sexist, maybe they are just dumb.

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #117)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 08:55 AM

174. Relative privation fallacy

Often used to deflect from a statement one made but now regrets...


https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/155/Relative-Privation

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #108)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 10:40 AM

179. No, I am not saying it is an excuse

 

Just forgive and move on, we have bigger fights to worry about

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #179)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 04:34 PM

187. That is a sterling example of Relative Privation fallacy.... (tn)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #187)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 06:00 PM

188. OK, as I say in my signature line we all have viewpoints

 

and I respect yours. Let us agree to disagree and focus on Don-the-Con who we both know is sexist bigly.

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #188)

Tue Dec 26, 2017, 04:41 PM

193. Why do you think we can't do both? (nt)

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #78)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 06:22 PM

119. As a gay kid. Nope. Not once

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #75)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:49 PM

113. Our culture is sexist

so its bound to impart some latent sexism on everyone, even women (haha, internalized misogyny is a helluva drug). Same with racism or homophobia/transphobia. Nobody is born a perfect ally. It may not be intentional or obvious or conscious, a small microaggression here or there, an assumption made, an intrusive thought, but at some point it's settled in a pore or two. It's work to unpack that shit.

Part of working to undo it, to get beyond it, is seeing it for what it is, seeing how insidious and dangerous it is, that it can effect even people who have no hate in their hearts for women or PoC or queer folk, that it can exist even in people who are themselves women or PoC or queer.

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #72)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:12 PM

86. It was a part of growing up?

Seriously?

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Response to mcar (Reply #86)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:25 PM

91. In any locker room in High School

 

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #91)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:46 PM

96. Not in the high school I attended.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #96)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 10:24 AM

178. Thank you.

This is refreshing. You sound like a good man. I have been fortunate to know many such. My father was a man who respected women too. It really should not be that difficult.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #178)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 11:04 AM

180. It's the truth. I don't remember "locker room talk" in the

locker room. It didn't happen often enough to be noticed. High school boys are interested in high school girls. Of course they are. In my day, though, I don't remember that interest being subverted into ugly conversation.

I figured all of that stuff out before I even entered puberty. I was never "grossed out" by girls. They were as interesting as any of my other peers, so I made friends with whoever was around, boys and girls. In doing so, I learned quite a bit. The girls were ahead of the boys in reaching puberty, so I heard from them about the unwanted attention they were getting from older boys and even men.

Then, between age 13 and 14, I grew a foot taller and experienced the full onset of puberty. Awkward and gangly, I sat out age 14 when it came to girls, except to maintain the friendships I had developed. Again, I listened and learned. What I discovered was that the girls my age were pretty much as interested in romance and "fooling around" as the boys. But, I also learned that they didn't want to be grabbed, rushed, whined at, etc.

I started dating when I was 15. I never "went for it" about anything with the girls I dated. I waited. I didn't have to grab anyone and kiss them. If I waited, they'd kiss me or ask why I hadn't kissed them. That way I knew they wanted to do that. The same applied to other sexual experimentation. I just waited until it was clear and obvious from actions that such "fooling around" was also what the other person wanted. All of that seemed to me to be a "no brainer," Why would I want to offend anyone? I was from a small town, and went to a small school. All of the girls I dated had been friends for years. I wasn't stupid.

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #91)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:17 PM

106. What part of holding adult men in public life to higher standards than teen boys escapes you?

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #72)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:14 PM

103. Not all men are sexist jerks, however. Only the ones that want to be.(nt)

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #72)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:15 PM

104. I am 70 and you are so right. But for me, it was a different definition of assault........

 

To me it was trying to get to first base.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:17 PM

131. No question... no excuse for that.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:44 AM

4. The Young Turds are not our friends or allies.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:44 AM

6. Spot on.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:32 PM

73. He personally declared war on the Democratic Party on election night.

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 04:02 AM

172. "The Young Turds are not our friends or allies."

This!

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:44 AM

7. People here defend hm.

They know who they are.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:46 AM

9. Yep, and when us Hillary supporters tried to call them out

we were told it was all in our heads...hmmm...

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Response to all american girl (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:25 PM

56. Those who excoriated Joy Reid for her long-ago blog posts are oddly silent now...

... when it comes to Cenk. Or so it seems to me at least. I haven't observed any of them coming forward to speak out against Cenk. I wonder why.

No, actually I don't wonder why. That was rhetorical. I know why... but for obvious reasons, I'm also smart enough to not come right out and say what I'm thinking. Those who know me, and those who share my feelings will understand what I mean and what I'm getting at.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:31 PM

60. Great minds think alike. Further down I posted about Joy...

and I agree with you...we all know

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:50 PM

77. ...

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:57 PM

79. The level of self censorship that we must engage in is

most unfortunate.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #79)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:11 PM

84. I know. It takes a lot of discipline and self-control for me. It's most challenging...

... whenever I must force myself to remain silent and opinionless (is that even a word) when certain writings are discussed or defended. Yet, I do so anyway to the best of my ability.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:19 PM

109. +1000 (nt)

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:45 AM

8. Another guy who blames mens violence on women... WTF. Its a variation on the Quiverfull school of

 

Thought -that women should be sex slaves for “the good of society”. I love how they try to cover up their personal failures and pretend they’re not just being lazy selfish fucks.


“In an entry from 2000, Uygur complained about not having enough sex while living in Miami: “It seems like there is a sea of tits here, and I am drinking in tiny droplets. I want to dive into the whole god damn ocean,” he wrote. “Obviously, the genes of women are flawed. They are poorly designed creatures who do not want to have sex nearly as often as needed for the human race to get along peaceably and fruitfully.”’

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:47 AM

10. He didn't seem to get it...women don't want to have sex with you...you are owed.

It's disgusting.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:42 PM

36. He thinks he is "owed"..That's called Male Entitlement.

Sorry, guys, women don't owe you shit.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:50 AM

11. Hmmm... Could it be he's

a raging asshat? A narcissistic jerk? A piss poor excuse of a man?

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:52 AM

12. +1000

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:54 AM

13. A man who looks at women and only sees a sea of tits in his own words... amazing entitlement.

 

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:44 PM

37. It's even more..It's being a de-humanizing Pig. n/t.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:52 PM

66. Oh my dear god.

And I bet he still can't see the flaw in his logic. Maybe the fact that he saw the women in Miami as a sea of.....uh, yea...was the problem? And the fact that he was and maybe still is thinking with his smaller head instead of the larger one.

I've known of his only after he switched political sides. And I've always been leery of him due to little hints and ques he exhibits about women to this day. I think he's a younger version of Ed Shultz, if you swap money with views on women. He's "liberal" right now because it seems a good meal ticket. But that could change quickly.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 11:58 AM

15. Cenk and TYT have always had their good moments and bad.

If you only noticed that during 2016, you weren't paying attention.

But the thing is, they still have their good moments and bad moments.

I'll take the good and leave the bad.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:00 PM

16. I noticed it

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:59 PM

80. It's been years since I have seen a good moment from them.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #80)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:13 PM

87. well, he did endorse HRC...eventually.


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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #87)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 08:59 AM

175. Yes... in that damning her with faint praise

that some other "progressives" used while masquerading as endorsing her.

You could just see the air quotes above their heads, and and the wink that was going out to the haters they didn't want to alienate...

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #175)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 06:18 PM

189. Which is exactly what some independents and Democrats needed to hear from someone like him.

Not everyone was "with Her" and needed to hear pundits bite bullet and endorse anyway.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #189)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 09:35 AM

190. And many used it as a reason to vote for Jill. (nt)

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:12 PM

17. Did anyone read this actual link?

TheWrap found the blog posts, from the early 2000s, in online archives. In an interview with TheWrap, Uygur apologized and said he deleted the “ugly” posts a decade ago because “I don’t stand by them.”

“The stuff I wrote back then was really insensitive and ignorant,” Uygur said. “If you read that today, what I wrote 18 years ago, and you’re offended by it, you’re 100 percent right. And anyone who is subjected to that material, I apologize to. And I deeply regret having written that stuff when I was a different guy.”

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Response to theaocp (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:14 PM

18. Hes not a different guy

He’s a pig.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:18 PM

20. We are on the same page...

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:31 PM

28. Okay.

Your views don't correlate to his current views, his videos, his apology, nor his female hosts. Cheers.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:34 PM

29. Do you watch him?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:36 PM

31. Yes.

The sun is still shining. What hay would you like to make from that?

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Response to theaocp (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:17 PM

19. Why yes, yes I did...

So the excuse is that he was young and a republican...and calling teenage girls whores in training is just "satire?" He was, what 29...sorry, that's an adult...men don't get to act as if they were kids when they were adults. Being a republican is no excuse for this type of behavior...there are many republicans who would never think of acting like this. And who in the hell thinks hitting of teenage girls is "satire?" I just can handle this.

And more importantly, I do not accept his apology. I do not believe him to be a different now...we all saw how he treated Hillary...that's ingrained sexism at work.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:35 PM

30. Nice to know you're a republican-whisperer.

You're defending modern republicans and telling us what they would think? If it quacks like a vendetta, you determine what it is. Sheesh.

Accept his apology or not, your choice. You could have put that in your OP and swatted it away then, but your motivations for your OP are your own. I agreed with his attacks on Hillary in the primaries and when he SUPPORTED her in the general, I agreed then and voted that way, too. Does that not agree with your narrative? Bummer.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:55 PM

40. I HAVE REPUBLICANS IN MY FAMILY

I'm not stupid to think that all republicans are like Cenk...

Thanks for telling what I should put in my OP...I'll run it by you the next time, OK? What's up with people thinking they have the right to tell me what to write or how I think. I made it clear in the OP...Cenk is a sexist Pig, and like all the other men who have been busted, their reporting showed their sexism toward Hillary. Some of saw it and we were told it was all in our heads. GOLDWATER GIRL seriously?

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Response to all american girl (Reply #40)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:01 PM

46. Yawn.

Sure. You want me to edit your work? Pay me. You think you have the right to spew your thoughts, but criticize others for doing the same? I read your OP and disagree with it. Anything else?

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Response to theaocp (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:09 PM

48. You literally told me what I should have put in my OP

I guess you could see the sarcasm that was dripping from what I wrote...Fine that you disagree with it, fine that you wrote your opinion, I don't care, and am not offended by it. I take issue that you thought you could tell me what to write...no see that wasn't hard.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #48)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 08:58 PM

150. I gave you a suggestion because I disagree with you.

I get that this irritates you, but that's really just too bad, I suppose. You are OBVIOUSLY offended or you would have ignored this subthread or put me on ignore by now. I offered you clarity of voice and you claim it's some form of censorship or (as I see downthread) sexist? Hardly. Write what you like and I will do likewise. Now, feel free to be offended. I'll give you a free pass.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #48)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 11:10 AM

181. You've been offered "clarity of voice".

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Response to theaocp (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:55 PM

68. Theaocp, you mansplain very good. Yawn, yourself.

How old are you?

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Response to Nitram (Reply #68)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 08:55 PM

148. Ah, I'm a mysogynist.

Well played. I've followed Cenk and TYT for years and given my efforts to getting money out of politics and supporting independent media. I've seen him grow out of much of his poor opinions. How my age plays into this, I'm not certain ... other than to passively and aggressively attack me through a thinly-veiled assault on my maturity, based on age. Did I miss anything? I EXPLAINED my point of view and yes, I happen to be male. Anything else?

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Response to theaocp (Reply #148)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 12:15 PM

185. Yes, Yawn.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #185)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 02:23 PM

192. I hereby grant you the Xmas Last Word.

You obviously need it after your nap. Again, anything else? I hope we're done here.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:18 PM

21. Of course no one read the post! The OP opinion of faux outrage has created the desired effect of

misled outrage.

Uyger is a liberal gem. Anyone not seeing that has another agenda, as evidenced by this fake news.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:25 PM

23. So you think calling teenage girls whores in training is just satire...cuz that's what he said

He is not a liberal gem, he's a sexist pig and always has been...we can see, you know. This isn't misled outrage, this is straight up outrage..I'm sick and tired of men thinking this behavior is OK and when they are busted for it, it's "Oh, I was young"..."It's just satire"..or any other lame excuse to deflect. This is the same asshole who didn't have a problem going after Hillary for every seemingly infraction...I will hold him to a higher standard, because his sexist opinions where used here to beat Hillary and her supporters up. So, don't speak for me. I put in the OP what I thought...I'm perfectly capable of expressing my own outrage.

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Response to robbedvoter (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:31 PM

27. I bet they don't answer...

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Response to all american girl (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:42 PM

35. Do your research on that background of that money and its use.

I know it doesn't fit your narrative. Good luck.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:56 PM

42. The money comes from republicans and Cenk goes after Dems...that's all I need to know

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Response to all american girl (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:58 PM

44. Head, meet

hole in the sand. Thanks for playing.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:10 PM

99. Here ya go:


By HADAS GOLD 04/16/2014 09:09 AM EDT

"A firm led by former Republican governor and congressman Buddy Roemer is investing millions into The Young Turks Network to significantly increase its content, sales, and platform presence.

The investment of $4 million, with an option to go up to $8 million, came out of a conversation Roemer and The Young Turks Network founder Cenk Uygur had backstage before speaking at a conference about money in politics last year. The relationship between the conservative Louisiana politician and the founder of the progressive media outlet stemmed from both making the removal of money’s influence on politics their signature issues."

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #99)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:13 PM

101. Doesn't his Justice Dem fund things...

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Response to robbedvoter (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:50 PM

76. From the article

 

The relationship between the conservative Louisiana politician and the founder of the progressive media outlet stemmed from both making the removal of money’s influence on politics their signature issues.

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Response to IMnotU (Reply #76)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 11:23 AM

182. A conservative gave the Turd $4,000,000 - $8,000,000 because

they both want to remove "money’s influence on politics".

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Response to robbedvoter (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:20 PM

90. He's about as bad as Jill Stein in my eyes

I don't for one minute think he is 'really' on our side.

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Response to robbedvoter (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:07 PM

98. What GOP? Did you even read your own posted article?

By HADAS GOLD 04/16/2014 09:09 AM EDT

"A firm led by former Republican governor and congressman Buddy Roemer is investing millions into The Young Turks Network to significantly increase its content, sales, and platform presence.

The investment of $4 million, with an option to go up to $8 million, came out of a conversation Roemer and The Young Turks Network founder Cenk Uygur had backstage before speaking at a conference about money in politics last year. The relationship between the conservative Louisiana politician and the founder of the progressive media outlet stemmed from both making the removal of money’s influence on politics their signature issues."

Who has a problem with that now that the FACTS are known. Liberals are fact lovers I hear. Not seeing that on this thread.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #98)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 11:40 AM

183. "Liberals are fact lovers I hear. Not seeing that on this thread."

Where did you hear this stuff about liberals?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:47 PM

38. Liberal "gems" don't demean grown women, let alone teen age girls.

Sell it somewhere else.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:27 PM

57. OMG! "Liberal gem" ??? GMAFB!

Uyger is a liberal gem.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #57)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:47 PM

112. I spit my drink

When I read that crap.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #57)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 06:41 PM

120. My eyes popped out of my head and rolled under the table when I read that.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #57)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 11:43 AM

184. "Liberals are fact lovers I hear. Not seeing that on this thread."

What does that mean?

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Response to theaocp (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:26 PM

25. Yeah I read it

Including the part from a recent employee who said that's exactly who he is.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:37 PM

32. He is a different guy. He's now a guy who thinks this way and who got caught.

And he telegraphs that he thinks this way still to all of us women who are paying attention.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 08:57 PM

149. Whichof us haven't said things we wish we didn't in the past -the point is the hypocrisy.

Cenk , ( And others like Ed Schultz etc) used to be conservative well into adulthood- in Cenk's case, he was shamelessly misogynistic in the way he denigrated women who refused to sleep with him.

Fast forward to last year , when Cenk and TYT made a big hullabaloo about Hillary being a Goldwater Girl before she could even fucking vote - no room was given to her evolution during Wellesly. They pinned her a Republican because she happened to have grown up in a household with a domineering Republican father, while ignoring her political journey once she left his roof.

Then, Joy Reid wrote a blog post in 08, for which she apologised, and while the target of her post graciously accepted her apology, taking no offense, she was excoriated by TYT Types.

For a whole fucking week, Rose Twitter, and the usual rabble rousers, called for Reid's show to be cancelled.

Now they're fucking silent because Cenk is in the spotlight, and we're supposed to give him room and "Understand".

Well no, I'm going to enjoy watching him squirm.

Funny how life comes at you fast.

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Response to JHan (Reply #149)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:05 PM

151. So many things I disagree with here, but it's really academic.

We've all made up our minds before we entered the OP, so whatever. Hillary DID outgrow supporting Republicans, but by the time of her candidacy, that wasn't her problem. TYT felt she was a conservative candidate during the primaries because she was more conservative than Bernie; not because she was raised by a domineering Republican father. And what is a "TYT Type"? Quite the broad brush. Who is "Rose Twitter"?

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Response to theaocp (Reply #151)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:09 PM

153. Their reasoning for calling her conservative was absolute tripe.

She and Bernie voted almost identically in the senate.

There was very little difference in what each wanted.

Her differences with Bernie pertained to *how to get those things* - Clinton being a pragmatist as opposed to Bernie -- whatever it is he was doing. It was funny how he saw sense in some of Clinton's positions post election which he denigrated as not going far enough during the primaries. I guess he can wear the moderate hat when it fancies him.

In any case, the attempts to smear her as a republican was ratfucking, and hypocritical given Cenk's own political past.

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Response to JHan (Reply #153)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:18 PM

156. Again, this is boringly academic, but fine.

Who fucking cares, since it wasn't based on misogyny, which is the whole damn point of the OP. No matter which side you come out in the great debate of the 2016 primaries, it was overtly an economic ideas battle and one side was more establishment-based than the other. I listened to Cenk push for Hillary after the primaries, so perhaps you could appreciate his zeal to defeat even what he saw as a greater evil.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #156)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:22 PM

157. "boringly academic" to you seems to mean "facts I don't like"

Cenk pushed for Hillary at the last minute, after months of ratfucking her - Many of us don't have short or convenient memories.

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Response to JHan (Reply #157)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:56 PM

167. And "ratfucking" is akin to fill-in-the-blank sexism

based on poor judgment from blog posts that have been apologized for and explained in detail. Are we done? I'm fairly certain we've reached an impasse.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #167)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 10:38 PM

168. Ratfucking has a meaning.. pretty specific.

and we were in an impasse? - this wasn't about you really.

I'm just enjoying Cenk getting a taste of his own medicine.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:24 PM

22. Nooo! The guy who mocked Raif Badawi being tortured by Saudis?




I am shocked, I tells ya!

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Response to robbedvoter (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:25 PM

24. What the hell

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Response to all american girl (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:50 PM

39. Yes?

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:57 PM

43. OMG lol, I'm crying with laughter!!!!

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Response to all american girl (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:00 PM

45. Always happy if I can do that!

Back atcha.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:42 PM

33. I never thought much of him, and found him useless after about 5 or 10 minutes.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:42 PM

34. I am not surprised.

 

I also don't trust TYT.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 12:55 PM

41. I wonder why Franken accusers worked for him so long?

I wonder why Franken accusers worked for him so long?

Remember Tina Dupuy — the women who Franken made feel fat because admittedly his-nonsexual grip made her feel fat, and therefore every sexual assault accusation against Al Franken is true?

She was a fill-in host on TYT many times, and is still a contributor. With such an excellent psychic judge of character, Cenk can’t be TOO bad, right?

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:04 PM

47. AlterNet also has a problem -

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-hazen-accused-sexual-harassment_us_5a3ad9d1e4b06d1621b192d8

Several Women Accuse Progressive Media Executive Don Hazen Of Sexual Harassment

In BuzzFeed’s report, six women, all of whom are journalists or work in media, accused Hazen of openly discussing their sex lives, touching them inappropriately, sending emails detailing sex positions, showing one woman a photo of his erect penis and assessing his female employees’ physical appearances.

A seventh female journalist told HuffPost that Hazen would often talk about sex during meetings and once mimicked a sex act with his hands while he was eating lunch with staff.

Anne Elizabeth Moore, a journalist and Fulbright Scholar, told HuffPost that Hazen was a “widely known harasser” in the industry and said she had heard stories of Hazen’s behavior.


This is no surprise.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #47)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:11 PM

51. I saw that...why am I not surprised. We need more women and less men

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:10 PM

49. What a holier then thou pure leftist male is sexist?

I am shocked. SHOCKED.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:11 PM

50. Indeed. Every man over maybe 40 years old will need to be destroyed.

Oh, well. I said some insensitive things about women when I was in high school 43 years ago. That must mean that nothing I say or do now has any value whatever. Guess I'll just head off into the sunset where the useless and damaged people go...

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:15 PM

52. Did you, as an adult, look at teenage girls and thought they were whores in training

because if you didn't then...I'll say it real loud, again so everyone can hear...This is not about you. It's OK to be disgusted with men's bad behavior and not mean all men. Not sure why men need to continually do this...smh

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Response to all american girl (Reply #52)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:27 PM

58. lol Are you really not sure?



I am sure.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #58)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:33 PM

61. I now.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #61)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:36 PM

62. Look like we have some mansplainin' going on here -

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #62)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:43 PM

63. These dude just can't seem to understand

Keep your hands to yourself and there will be no problems. Do talk to, and about women, as if we are objects...we aren't here for that. Sad little men.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:57 PM

69. Cenk was 29, not in high school. He published his thoughts.

He apologized, but he treated Clinton with blatant disrespect and scorn. I don't believe he's really changed. He's just learned how to avoid saying what he's thinking.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #69)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:32 PM

110. Perfect summary. Nt

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:17 PM

53. When People Tell You Who They Are, Believe Them the First Time

How many apologies from sexist men are about getting caught and not about what they actually said/did?

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:22 PM

54. People Can Change - I Used To Be A Republican - We Need To Look At Acting Like Grownups - Me Too

 

When we process this "me too" movement.

95% of the problem is still under the surface. Maybe 99%.

What I am the most afraid of is not being able to be a gentleman, or girl, pursue someone you desire, and "they" "feel" you crossed the line with a hug, or an attempted stolen kiss, and your life is ruined.

Asking people to act like adults 100% of the time and use their heads and not emotions is like asking the 2 year old to not eat the candy, and then leave the room.

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Response to SeaDoo77 (Reply #54)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:29 PM

59. He called teenage girls whores in training. That's not a misunderstanding.

And he was a grown ass man, not some stupid high schooler. He wrote that women where flawed, because they didn't want to have sex. Yes, I will hold a grown ass man accountable for his sexist behavior...because, see, I don't think he has grown from it.

Here's how you make sure you don't cross a line, if she says no, flinches, gives you face...it's obvious that your advances are not being received. If you think you should put your hands on a woman, I would say, STOP...we don't like people putting there hands on us. Just because you would like to do it, doesn't mean it should be done. Oh, and the you in here is the royal you...not against you personally.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #59)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 08:42 AM

173. Did you read your link?

It sounds to me like David Koller is the one who penned the "whores in training" blog post. Yet this is like the 10th time you've said Cenk called them that. I don't watch TYT and can't stand Cenk because he's a blowhard. He's a sneery, sarcastic schmuck. But if you're going to criticize him for things he said, better that he said them.



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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:23 PM

55. And let us not forget, Cenk went after Joy Ann Reid, to have her fired, of a writing

taken out of context...just let that sink in about him.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:43 PM

64. He's come a long way from his "roots"?

Plenty of room for improvement on the equality and justice issues. Given a choice between Bannon and Cenk, both are flawed, one more so than the other, imo.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #64)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:07 PM

83. Bannon is the more honest of the pair.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #64)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:03 PM

97. Just because he was a republican doesn't mean he had to act like that.

His behavior has nothing to do with his roots...it's who he is. And this "improvement" you speak of, this wasn't like rooting for Reagan, this was demeaning women, thinking of women as sex objects, think teenage girls whores in training. And you know what, between those sexist pigs, I'll choose neither.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:51 PM

65. Doesn't surprise me in the least. He always had that frat boy vibe.

And he treated Clinton like dirt.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 01:52 PM

67. Hes crap but 10 year old blog posts

Meh

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:14 PM

70. 18 years ago and he said he was wrong. Cant people change?

In college I was supported Ronald Reagan, tax cuts and less government. As I matured, learned more, had a family my views of almost everything evolved. I wouldn’t know the 20ish me now. Can’t we agree that people can change their political, social and economic world views? Are we all really that shallow?

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Response to Name removed (Reply #71)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:11 PM

100. You don't see a pattern of male media reporters, their sexism and how Hillary was portrayed

Because Cenk, himself was the leader of the pack with his stupid purity and how he portrayed Hillary.

Yep, I will put a purity on sexism. No one made him do it. He thought he was so clever, that he wrote it down for all to see. Cent just didn't say some unfortunate things, he called teenage girls whores in train (oh that's right it's just "satire", he demeaned women, so, yeah, I put my purity there, and I don't enjoy my OUTRAGE...I just wish men would stop acting like this and treat women with respect, because we will keep calling men out and if that divides us, I don't want any creep like that around me. Men need to change, not us.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #121)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:48 PM

137. I'm "fixed" on the fact that men behave like this. When it comes out there are

too many people who tell us we can't be angry and disgusted about it. I don't believe he has changed or moved on from this behavior. I think he figured out a way to not be so disgusting about. The way he treated Hillary during the primary proved it to me. See, we keep seeing male reporters, who were completely awful and disrespectful to Hillary being busted for horrible sexist behavior...we saw it, we weren't believed, we have been proven right.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #71)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:16 PM

105. Also want to point out

He went after Joy Ann Reid for an old writing, that was taken out of context, and was trying to get her fired. None of his crap is taken out of context...this is how he felt. If he was a republican, you'd be calling for his head, but a supposed "ally," no problem.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #105)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:37 PM

111. Yeah, cenk isn't our friend.. he's

already a divider.

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Response to Cha (Reply #111)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:49 PM

114. Thank you Cha, when you're right, you're right!!!!

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Response to all american girl (Reply #114)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:12 PM

115. It's like..

duh!

all American girl

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Response to Post removed (Reply #123)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:01 PM

128. All you have are personal insults.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #123)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:49 PM

138. That's all you got...calling names.

I won't call you what I think you are.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #138)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 12:58 AM

171. lol.. yeah, I

refrained also.

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Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:02 PM

129. Anyone who's been paying attention knows it's

true.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #124)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:53 PM

139. What do you "change your opinion?"

Whether or not to demean women? that's really an opinion that even needs to be thought about...It should be from the start, full stop, NO I DON'T DEMEAN WOMEN...it's not really that hard to be respectful...it's not like he was a 15 year old...he was a 28-29 year old man. This should have already been a known...but you go ahead and excuse sexist, horrible behavior.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #71)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 08:02 PM

143. I've read your stuff here...you can tell me you're really Cenk aren't you...

come on, I know it to be true

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 02:36 PM

74. I always wanted to like Can I, but

I have never been able to like him.

I'm not going to bother watching whatever you're referring to but thanks for the reaffirmation of my disapproval of that person. I will invest the time you saved me in something constructive, in your honor.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:06 PM

82. Cenk Uygur is a hate filled Republican enabler

His only job is to damage the Democrats.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 03:11 PM

85. All these misogynistic media types

Helped to frame the "Hillary is eeeevvviiilll!!11" narrative.

I'm glad they are being outed now. Wish it had happened a few years ago; we wouldn't be in this mess.

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Response to mcar (Reply #85)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:17 PM

107. And there are people defending him

Almost like boys will be boys. This is unbelievable.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #107)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 05:29 PM

116. Some seem to think people they like can do no wrong

Some of those same people routinely slam HRC, Pelosi, Harris, et al as "corporatist, wall street" etc and insist that's just criticism and it's just fine.

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Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:37 PM

135. Yep...seems as if dudes can do no wrong.

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Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:41 PM

136. Well, I can honestly say that I've never called teenagers whores

while being a grown man (woman in this case). I also don't sit online criticizing everyone for far less infractions...but OK. He sure in the hell went after Hillary for everything under the sun without realizing that people change and grow...oh, I'm getting it now, guys are the only one's who can do that...gotcha.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 04:13 PM

102. Oh, really? You don't say...

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 06:10 PM

118. Did everybody forgive Joy Reid for her homophobic blog posts?

that were more recent than Cenk's deplorable sexist comments?

I forgive both of them for their previous comments since both of them seem to have issued sincere apologies. That said, I'm a guy and straight, so my opinion doesn't really amount to much in either case.

I have more of a problem with Cenk's taking millions from Republicans to fund his program.

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Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:35 PM

133. Nothing but seism in this post

I guess you are cool with calling teenage girls whores in training...Oh, that's right, Cenk called it satire...all's good. See, I don't think he has changed, his behavior about Hillary proves it. Oh, but I'm just a silly woman who changes her mind like 50 times a day, so I'll shut my mouth now...wouldn't want to upset you anymore.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #130)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:38 PM

161. Wave that post bye-bye.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #161)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:44 PM

162. I should hope so...

Montex may have taken a wrong turn, possibly.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #162)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:46 PM

163. Thats two hides on one thread. MIRT will be on it PDQ.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #118)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:36 PM

134. Except that was taken out of context...and if I recall Cenk was calling for her to be fired...

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #118)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 08:16 PM

144. Cenk's comments about teenage girls are even worse in comparison.

Given what happened to Roy Moore, Americans have much less sympathy towards pedophilia/pederasty than homophobia. And Cenk's comments were even more graphic when he was talking about adult women.

Do you think Buddy Roemer "influenced" Cenk to attack Democrats? Given the media landscape, the choice was either take that money or make TYT a pay-per-view show.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:20 PM

132. Apparently, some here didn't read the article.

The "OMG CENK WAS A SEXIST JERK A THOUSAND YEARS AGO AND HE APOLOGIZED AND NO ONE WILL ACCEPT THAT PEOPLE MATURE AND EVERYONE'S MADE MISTAKES AND BECAUSE HILLARY!!!" kinda ignores this tweet from all the way back in 2013:



If it oinks, it's a pig. That's the rule.

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #132)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:53 PM

140. Are you saying that particular tweet is sexist?

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #140)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 08:02 PM

142. Yes.

Are you saying it's not?

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #142)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 08:42 PM

146. If the tweet had said: "Wow, there are a lot of attractive women in Miami"

 

Would you have considered that to be sexist as well?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #146)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:12 PM

154. Obviously.

I'll double down and I've never been to Miami. I'm sure there are crazyass hot women there. Aside from merely not typing or even thinking that, what would make it LESS sexist? This is getting out of hand.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #146)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:49 PM

164. Well...

if, like the tweet I posted, it had been directly preceded by this one:



... then yes.

First he ridicules the women in Miami by observing how much they've augmented their breasts and buttocks, then he tells us how "hot" they are. How would "attractive" make any difference?

This is simple objectification. I'm gobsmacked that I'm explaining this to you.

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #164)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:51 PM

165. That tweet adds context

 

I was asking about that one single tweet in isolation.

The fuller picture with respect to the totality of comments Cenk has made is quite clearly sexist.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #165)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:53 PM

166. I saw your post down thread and was about to edit mine.

We're cool.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #140)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 08:55 PM

147. objectifying women

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Response to all american girl (Reply #147)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:08 PM

152. Anyone who is surrounded by attractive people tends to notice that situation

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #152)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:27 PM

159. Seriously...I just can't with giving a sexist jerk the benefit of the doubt.

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Response to all american girl (Reply #159)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:37 PM

160. Only referencing that one tweet

 

I am just now catching up with the older blog posts, and I agree that they are awful.

Also - I am no fan of Cenk at all.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #160)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 12:28 AM

169. I'm with you on that.

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #132)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 07:56 PM

141. What...I've been told that this all happened in 2000's...mmmm

I guess this tiger didn't really change it's stripes after all.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 08:30 PM

145. Who is surprised by this?

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:16 PM

155. You don't say.

TYT segment on plus size models.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #155)

Sat Dec 23, 2017, 09:26 PM

158. Made it thru 2 minutes and then baled

God, what a pig...like we can hear in his voice his utter distain towards these women...calling them ugly, whether or not he'd hit that...Nope, that man has not change. He views women as object and not people. I wonder why Ana was so polite to him. It was disgusting.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 12:55 AM

170. I've not forgiven his butt for . . .

. . . foisting the Maron-impersonating, Democrat-hating Jimmy Dore on us.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 09:46 AM

176. Do we all understand the difference

 

between criticism from a sexist and sexist criticism?

I would suggest we address the relative merits of criticism rather than the relative character of the person offering criticism. The failure to do so has already cost us one election.

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 09:47 AM

177. Interesting how many of these "hard-core" "Progressives" turn out be nothing of the sort.

They fooled a lot of gullible people and were a big part of why we have Trump in the WH.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #177)

Sun Dec 24, 2017, 12:18 PM

186. Exactly!

 

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Response to all american girl (Original post)

Mon Dec 25, 2017, 01:57 PM

191. K&R

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