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BumRushDaShow

(130,473 posts)
Sat May 11, 2024, 04:24 AM May 11

Explainer: US agency to unveil plan to ease power transmission crunch

Source: Reuters

May 10, 2024 4:30 PM EDT Updated 12 hours ago


WASHINGTON, May 10 (Reuters) - The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) is expected on Monday to issue a final rule to address the crunch in U.S. electricity transmission as the grid struggles to connect enormous amounts of clean power while demand surges.

The long-awaited rule will attempt to ensure that a dozen fragmented U.S. regions adopt long-term plans to bring more transmission online. It will seek to coordinate state and local regulations and utility plans on ways to split costs among states for the build-out.

President Joe Biden's administration has a goal of a carbon-free power sector by 2035. To meet that, the country needs to more than double regional transmission capacity and expand interregional transmission capacity more than fivefold, a U.S. Department of Energy study said in November.

The U.S. also needs to reverse a steady decline in transmission investments, the study said.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-agency-unveil-plan-ease-power-transmission-crunch-2024-05-10/

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Explainer: US agency to unveil plan to ease power transmission crunch (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 11 OP
I believe INCREASING electric usage... Think. Again. May 11 #1
I think much of the increase is due to a population increase BumRushDaShow May 11 #2
I agree, population explosion... Think. Again. May 11 #3
"but we're doing nothing to eliminate the wasted energy use" BumRushDaShow May 11 #4
Yes, storage will be a huge part of the non-CO2 energy industry... Think. Again. May 11 #5
Well with the replacement of incandescents with LEDs BumRushDaShow May 11 #8
Yes, LEDs have been great to reduce needed light energy use... Think. Again. May 11 #10
FYI - Batteries... reACTIONary May 11 #7
Yup BumRushDaShow May 11 #9
Thanks -That's useful information (nt) reACTIONary May 11 #11
When the US sold off most of our electrical infrastructure Farmer-Rick May 11 #6
I don't know... myohmy2 May 11 #12

Think. Again.

(9,144 posts)
1. I believe INCREASING electric usage...
Sat May 11, 2024, 05:39 AM
May 11

...is the wrong direction to go in, no matter what type of generation plant it comes from.

BumRushDaShow

(130,473 posts)
2. I think much of the increase is due to a population increase
Sat May 11, 2024, 06:41 AM
May 11

But in the OP's case, it's to actually promote the INTER-CONNECTION of all these siloed electric plants, which could conceivably reduce the need for increased power generation by instead doing more "sharing" of (surplus) power between the existing regions. That would require some kind of "transmission" infrastructure (which would obviously need to be hardened against environmental effects and "nefarious actor" attacks).

Think. Again.

(9,144 posts)
3. I agree, population explosion...
Sat May 11, 2024, 06:50 AM
May 11

Last edited Sat May 11, 2024, 09:12 AM - Edit history (1)

...(4 BILLION in 50 years!!!) and the heavy-use data centers are the core of our energy-use increases, but we're doing nothing to eliminate the wasted energy use we've grown accustomed to, which really bothers me as it will be necessary to re-adjust our usage habits to fully transition away from CO2 emissions (unlimited growth in a limited system just isn't a possibility).

And thanks for pointing out the need for interconnectivity, I wasn't thinking about how revamping the transmission lines would help with that and it IS an excellent point.

BumRushDaShow

(130,473 posts)
4. "but we're doing nothing to eliminate the wasted energy use"
Sat May 11, 2024, 07:27 AM
May 11

If that unused/surplus energy could be stored in some type of huge capacitor-type unit constructed at or near the power plants, that stored power could also be redirected and/or surged somewhere on an "as needed" basis. That is where transmission between grids would really be helpful.

For the current situation, EPA actually had a nice page and map of the grid (EPA tracks the emissions coming from the power generation facilities) - https://www.epa.gov/green-power-markets/us-grid-regions



DOE's grid info - https://www.energy.gov/oe/learn-more-about-interconnections

Think. Again.

(9,144 posts)
5. Yes, storage will be a huge part of the non-CO2 energy industry...
Sat May 11, 2024, 09:22 AM
May 11

...but I was talking wasted energy, energy that is used but serves no beneficial purpose, shopping malls and office buildings lit up all night during non-business hours, 2 or 3 digital clocks in our kitchens, electronic billboards on sparsely used highways, plug in air fresheners for Pete's sake, etc., etc, etc.

Waste. I think I read somewhere that about 65% of the energy burned serves no actual need, or needs that could be easily accomplished passively, and a lot of that isn't even serving any purpose at all- machines on idle out of laziness, etc.

BumRushDaShow

(130,473 posts)
8. Well with the replacement of incandescents with LEDs
Sat May 11, 2024, 09:35 AM
May 11

the "waste" has been greatly reduced. And in the case of some lighting situations like towers, it's obviously to avoid aircraft collisions (not just jets). Similarly, street/pedestrian lighting is continually being improved to not get wasted shining into the sky but down to where it's needed in an effort to reclaim some dark sky.

IMHO, at least in terms of the LED revolution, that has made a huge difference in energy waste - particularly since incandescents were also generating and losing heat, which made them good for this -



Think. Again.

(9,144 posts)
10. Yes, LEDs have been great to reduce needed light energy use...
Sat May 11, 2024, 09:44 AM
May 11

...now if we can only take a hard look at eliminating the wasted energy we burn through.

reACTIONary

(5,801 posts)
7. FYI - Batteries...
Sat May 11, 2024, 09:32 AM
May 11
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/07/climate/battery-electricity-solar-california-texas.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rE0.2ov2.YrHBTPnL5QAm&smid=url-share

Giant Batteries Are Transforming the Way the U.S. Uses Electricity
They’re delivering solar power after dark in California and helping to stabilize grids in other states. And the technology is expanding rapidly.

Farmer-Rick

(10,264 posts)
6. When the US sold off most of our electrical infrastructure
Sat May 11, 2024, 09:26 AM
May 11

To corporations for pennies on the dollar, (deregulation baby) that pretty much ended most transmission investments.

Instead of investing in new equipment or capacity, corporations played accounting games to increase their profits. They dramatically increased costs to customer and encouraging cons and swindles like Enron while orchestrating grid failures like Texas' 2021 debacle.

This is how capitalism works. Choke off the supply so you can charge a premium rate for doing less. It's how privatized infrastructure always goes.

Here in my area, our bought out corporate electric company closed down a hydroelectric plant after buying it off of the state. Every thunderstorm, every cold season, every day it gets over 100 degrees F, my electricity goes out. You can count on it.

Capitalism working to bring the filthy-rich more and everyone else a lot less.

myohmy2

(3,259 posts)
12. I don't know...
Sat May 11, 2024, 10:28 AM
May 11

...if I like the Idea of my Blue State's dependable power grid getting tied into a Red State's dilapidated grid...

...I get a feeling my efficient Union paid crews are going to get even more dispensed to red-neck areas...

...my dependable service is going to drop and I'll be paying more for less...

...if we're going to electric vehicles I guess we'll have to improve the grid...

...couldn't we wait until I die first...?

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