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sarisataka

(18,966 posts)
Thu May 9, 2024, 10:01 AM May 9

Guns are being stolen from cars at triple the rate they were 10 years ago, a report finds

Guns are being stolen from cars at triple the rate they were 10 years ago, a report finds

The rate of guns stolen from cars in the U.S. has tripled over the last decade, making them the largest source of stolen guns in the country, an analysis of FBI data by the gun safety group Everytown found.

The rate of stolen guns from cars climbed nearly every year and spiked during the coronavirus pandemic along with a major surge in weapons purchases in the U.S., according to the report, which analyzes FBI data from 337 cities in 44 states and was provided to The Associated Press.

The stolen weapons have, in some cases, turned up at crime scenes. In July 2021, a gun taken from an unlocked car in Riverside, Florida, was used to kill a 27-year-old Coast Guard member as she tried to stop a car burglary in her neighborhood.

The alarming trend underscores the need for Americans to safely secure their firearms to prevent them from getting into the hands of dangerous people, said Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Director Steve Dettelbach, whose agency has separately found links between stolen guns and violent crimes.
https://kstp.com/world/guns-are-being-stolen-from-cars-at-triple-the-rate-they-were-10-years-ago-a-report-finds/
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Guns are being stolen from cars at triple the rate they were 10 years ago, a report finds (Original Post) sarisataka May 9 OP
If you're stupid enough to leaveְ a firearm in your car Aviation Pro May 9 #1
Some places you are not allowed to carry. yagotme May 9 #2
Just another reason to do away with soft target "gun-free zones" Barry Markson May 9 #4
Exactly. Ban every gun in a certain area, yagotme May 9 #5
How about leave it at home and secured? Aviation Pro May 9 #6
And how is one supposed to predict the future, yagotme May 9 #8
I've carried for years and have never had to draw either one of my EDCs Aviation Pro May 9 #10
I am retired. yagotme May 9 #13
Why do you carry sarisataka May 9 #15
In case I'm in a crowd (which is a soft target) Aviation Pro May 9 #16
Typically I am less concerned in a crowd sarisataka May 9 #18
So I'm to leave it up to you to decide if I need to carry? Barry Markson May 9 #9
And you do you Aviation Pro May 9 #11
I think "responsible gun ownership" has become a myth. Silent Type May 9 #17
It hasn't sarisataka May 9 #19
Proof positive that denying guns to people should be the default sanatanadharma May 9 #3
Problem is, a lot of folks here think that tightening up on the owners sellers, and manufacturers, yagotme May 9 #7
I am a firearms enthusiast (or Gun Humper, whatever) The Mouth May 9 #12
"Humper" is the phrase I've seen. yagotme May 9 #14
Ah, thanks for the catch The Mouth May 9 #20
I don't really disagree, I just see it as being seen as "too extreme", yagotme May 9 #21
The only good violent criminal The Mouth May 9 #22
An unprovoked attack against an innocent, yagotme May 9 #23
come and take it? The Mouth May 10 #24

Aviation Pro

(12,267 posts)
1. If you're stupid enough to leaveְ a firearm in your car
Thu May 9, 2024, 10:06 AM
May 9

You deserve to have it stolen. It is embedded in my DNA that all guns must be under positive control irrespective of whether it's in a gun vault, a locked closet with a reinforced door or on your person as a concealed everyday carry (EDC).

This is one of the pillars of responsible firearm ownership.

yagotme

(3,057 posts)
2. Some places you are not allowed to carry.
Thu May 9, 2024, 10:12 AM
May 9

Hospitals and dr. offices, for example. Pray tell, would one violate the law, (by carrying it in to a restricted area,) to keep your gun from being stolen, or lock it in your car? How about where you work? There have been cases of some workplaces where one isn't even to bring a firearm into the parking lot. What does one do, then? Park across the road?

 

Barry Markson

(280 posts)
4. Just another reason to do away with soft target "gun-free zones"
Thu May 9, 2024, 10:38 AM
May 9

There is no such thing as a gun-free zone, criminals and the mentally disturbed pay no attention to gun-free zones.

18 people were shot, including Gabby Giffords, and six people were killed in a "gun-free" zone by one of Gabby's deranged supporters who everybody in Pima County knew was crazy and dangerous.

yagotme

(3,057 posts)
5. Exactly. Ban every gun in a certain area,
Thu May 9, 2024, 10:42 AM
May 9

just guarantees that the only gun will be possessed by a bad guy.

Aviation Pro

(12,267 posts)
6. How about leave it at home and secured?
Thu May 9, 2024, 10:44 AM
May 9

Exercise a little common sense maybe? In most cases, you don't need to carry.

yagotme

(3,057 posts)
8. And how is one supposed to predict the future,
Thu May 9, 2024, 10:51 AM
May 9

and decide that today is the day that I will need a gun for protection, and carry it. You must have a pretty good crystal ball.

In most cases, you don't need to carry.


I worked for IL Dept of Corrections. IL was the last state to allow permit carry. There was a legal allowance that "peace officers" could carry to and from work. However, until about 2000 or so, you couldn't have a firearm on state grounds. If you carried to work, you couldn't park on state property. Explain that one to me. (It was changed, someone saw the light.)

Aviation Pro

(12,267 posts)
10. I've carried for years and have never had to draw either one of my EDCs
Thu May 9, 2024, 11:04 AM
May 9

You worked around criminals and their element, which leads me to believe that you had a higher percentage of having to draw your firearm because of the element you operated in.

You would change your mind if you changed your venue.

It's not foresight but math.

yagotme

(3,057 posts)
13. I am retired.
Thu May 9, 2024, 11:16 AM
May 9

My "venue" has changed. My mind has not. Evil doesn't follow rules, lines, maps, or clocks.

sarisataka

(18,966 posts)
15. Why do you carry
Thu May 9, 2024, 11:25 AM
May 9

if you never have had to draw your weapon and advise others they probably don't need to carry?

Aviation Pro

(12,267 posts)
16. In case I'm in a crowd (which is a soft target)
Thu May 9, 2024, 11:30 AM
May 9

And drawing is a last resort since I'm probably with my wife. My first option is to E&E AF because once a round is loosed it ain't coming back.

sarisataka

(18,966 posts)
18. Typically I am less concerned in a crowd
Thu May 9, 2024, 11:34 AM
May 9

since most crime is one on one or a few at most. At least that has been my experience.

I agree drawing is a last resort. If I draw, I have already completed the firing decision. Luckily de-escalation has worked for me.

 

Barry Markson

(280 posts)
9. So I'm to leave it up to you to decide if I need to carry?
Thu May 9, 2024, 10:57 AM
May 9

I don't know you from a hole in the ground and I certainly wouldn't value your opinion as to what I need.

I'm capable of making that decision myself.

You do you....

sarisataka

(18,966 posts)
19. It hasn't
Thu May 9, 2024, 11:36 AM
May 9

but when a group consists of a very large number of people, a small percentage can be many individuals.

sanatanadharma

(3,768 posts)
3. Proof positive that denying guns to people should be the default
Thu May 9, 2024, 10:38 AM
May 9

When one's gun is in an unlocked car, clearly there is no gun control, even by legal owners, even when not stolen.

Those who want (legal) guns need to go through stuff to get the gun and go through even more heavy stuff if they ever lose control of the gun.
That is gun control.
Do it or lose your freedom.......
..Guaranteed bad karma follows guns and those who desire them.

Nearly every illegal gun began life in the hands of legal makers, sellers, buyer, and users.
They are the people first responsible for the guns that becoming illegal.
Tighten-up on them as well as the thieves.

yagotme

(3,057 posts)
7. Problem is, a lot of folks here think that tightening up on the owners sellers, and manufacturers,
Thu May 9, 2024, 10:46 AM
May 9

should be the priority. Lock the criminals up, then see how much other restrictions you need to impose. The person that violates the law should get the hammer first, not the lawful individuals.

The Mouth

(3,175 posts)
12. I am a firearms enthusiast (or Gun Humper, whatever)
Thu May 9, 2024, 11:06 AM
May 9

Last edited Thu May 9, 2024, 11:51 AM - Edit history (1)


But I believe that committing *ANY* crime using a firearm should be life without the possibility of parole, and in solitary if you shoot anyone or at anyone other than in self defense, no exceptions or exclusions.

yagotme

(3,057 posts)
14. "Humper" is the phrase I've seen.
Thu May 9, 2024, 11:19 AM
May 9

Simple armed robbery, perhaps not, a very extended stay, yes, but if the firearm is discharged, I agree with you wholeheartedly on life. Can't commit the crime against the public, if you're not out in it.

The Mouth

(3,175 posts)
20. Ah, thanks for the catch
Thu May 9, 2024, 11:53 AM
May 9

But respectfully disagree. I think laws work best when they are simple, unambiguous, and uniformly enforced. Someone who points a gun at another person to demand from them property or anything else deserves to never see another human again except through bars.

yagotme

(3,057 posts)
21. I don't really disagree, I just see it as being seen as "too extreme",
Thu May 9, 2024, 11:57 AM
May 9

and will never see the light of day, as some don't want criminals to be locked up at all, even with a violent act being committed (assault, rape, etc.). Violent criminals are being released here in IL (no cash bail) and going out and committing more crimes.

The Mouth

(3,175 posts)
22. The only good violent criminal
Thu May 9, 2024, 01:13 PM
May 9

is one rapidly assuming ambient temperature.

*Any* unprovoked (non self-defense) attack on another person marks that attacker as unworthy of associating with other humans, ever again.

yagotme

(3,057 posts)
23. An unprovoked attack against an innocent,
Thu May 9, 2024, 01:17 PM
May 9

shows their lack of overall civility, and they should be removed from the public, for quite some time. The more severe the attack, the longer the removal. Up to and including permanently.

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