Something good about today and the discussion of the testimony

[cally]

I saw numerous women commentators and host talking about the misogyny against stormy Daniels and the implication that she couldn’t be sexually assaulted because she was a porn star 20 years ago that just would not have happened there would’ve been discussion and left forums and feminist circles, but there’s no way on the broadcast media that that would’ve been discussed, it’s something to be celebrated about today

Sorry for run on sentence. I’m learning to post with an elbow broken. It’s hard sometimes and i tried dictation this time

[Chainfire]

1. Is is misogyny if you believe that both the men and the women in sex videos are disgusting?

[Skittles]

4. apparently that is not allowed

nope

[Scrivener7]

6. The question isn't what we think of what she does for a living. It's whether we think she deserves basic

respect whether we like it or not.

I think the OP makes a good point. A woman in her position 20 years ago would have been pilloried and told it served her right.

[Chainfire]

8. Of course that is true. I will defend her rights even if I don't like the way she makes/made a living.

I had a mother, four sisters, a wife and daughter and I am fully aware of the struggles women have to face. However, I reserve to dislike a woman, for cause, on a case by case basis, I do have a list of women that I despise and number one, as of today, is MTG.

Ms Daniels is not a hero to me because she sold herself to the Trump campaign by burying her story for the almighty dollar. I believe that that worked against my best interests. That said, I do appreciate that she is helping to rectify that error, for whatever reason, and as Mr. Churchill told us, 'If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.'

From what I have read about her testimony, I have to respect her intelligence and her fortitude.

[CincyDem]

30. I don't think she's a here but disagree that by taking the money she worked against my best interests.

I think it's important to view her actions in 2016 through the lens of 2016...not the lens of 2024.

It's before MeToo.
It's before the disaster that was the Trump administration
It's before two impeachments.
It's before 1/6
It's before the phone tapes with GA SoS.
It's before documents cases, E Jean Carroll liable case, and the Trump organization fraud convictions.

In 2016, she was "just" a porn star and "just" a late night TV B-lister...at best. While Trump might have been afraid of what she would say in 2016 (enough to give her 130k), think back to that October period after Access Hollywood and try to place ourselves in that time. She'd been out trying to sell her story before taking the $$$ and getting no traction, it wasn't making a difference so, in spite of Trump's concerns, it was probably only a a 1-2 news cycle story even then.

IMHO opinion, it wasn't Stormy's silence that gave us Trump, it was Comey's words 3 weeks after the Access Hollywood tape that made the difference.

[Chainfire]

32. If it wasn't important to Trump, why do you think that he paid her rather than taking her to court?

Trump's middle name is Sue. Remember that Trump is a notorious tightwad. He knew that he could not "afford" to let the news that he was having sex with a porn star and that it would have been harmful to his run for the presidency, unless of course you accept the argument that he was really ashamed of the act and wanted to shield his dear wife from the fallout from the encounter. Personally I don't believe that Trump is capable of either shame or compassion.

The payment and cover-up speaks for itself. The trial is mainly about motive.

[Staph]

7. I think that people that sell guns are disgusting,

but that doesn't mean that I think that they should all be shot.

[Chainfire]

9. Does someone want to harm Daniels? Certainly not me.

I don't like the woman, as explained in another post. I don't care that she was a sex worker, that is her own damn business., and my approval or disapproval of her way of making a living is not important. What I don't like is that she supported the Trump campaign for money; which, in effect is exactly what she did. She was perfectly willing to throw the rest of the country under the bus for for 130k.

[Demobrat]

10. She thought the alternative was being murdered by them.

I’d take the money too.

[Skittles]

16. LOL

gawd she has you fooled

[DemocraticPatriot]

17. And some people are fooled by an 'orange turd'....

[Skittles]

46. LOLOL

THEY'RE BOTH DISGUSTING

[Demobrat]

19. Oh, you know her? Do tell.

[NanaCat]

37. Well, maybe we don't need to know her

Because maybe, sport--just maybe--we know she felt threatened by him, because she said so in public!

In her interview, Daniels said she'd slept with Trump once, shortly after Mrs. Trump gave birth to the president's youngest son. She also said that a man approached her in a Las Vegas parking lot in 2011, when she was with her infant daughter, and threatened her with physical harm if she went public with her story.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/stormy-daniels-trump-threat-1.4594060

Maybe you hold that claim in contempt, but it's exceedingly dishonest to say she never made it.

[Demobrat]

38. Please show me where I said that.

You might want to look more closely at this thread.

[Tickle]

20. 😂 I don't think she feared

death by orange overload but that's just me

[Bev54]

11. Firstly she is not a "sex worker" that in itself shows misogyny. She does porn films

It is her story to tell when and if she wanted to and to blame her for throwing the country under the bus instead of those who were the architects of the scheme to hush it all up is again showing misogyny. When the power someone holds over another and threats of violence against her life forces her to make the decision to take the money and shut up, it can be, I am sure, overwhelming to any of us. There are a lot of villains who covered for Trump, most of them powerful and wealthy males, so just because you don't like her, it does not make her the reason for Trump's win in 2016.

[Chainfire]

12. She has sex with men, for money, on video but she is not a sex worker? That is a semantic arugument of no value.

If she had come forward, rather than taking the money we don't know if it would have cost Trump the election or not, but it would't have helped, now would it? I don't understand how some folks can try to present her as some kind of hero.

[Bev54]

13. I am not sure people are presenting her as a hero but perhaps admire how

she stood up for herself in court. If you do not know the difference between a sex worker and a porn actor then I am not going to explain it to you. You seem to be putting the onus on her to have stopped Trump and that is absolutely ridiculous, given the imbalance of power and threats against her. You say you don't care what she does but obviously it seems to be a big part of your judgement of her and that she should have ignored the threats on her life and out Trump. Why because she is just "a sex worker". I seem to remember many other women accusing Trump and it had little to no affect.

[dlk]

14. Given how many rich and powerful men propelled Trump into the presidency

And enabled him once he was there, your resentment toward Stormy appears outsized.

[Demobrat]

15. I admire the way she handled herself up there.

What she does for a living is not relevant to me. She hasn’t raped anyone.

[Chainfire]

22. I think that she handled herself well also. She is a bright and determined woman and that is to be admired.

It is none of my business what she does for a living, but lets don't portray her as a hero because of what she does for a living.

[NanaCat]

39. Are you done beating the crap out of that strawman?

Because there's no evidence people are holding her up as a hero for being a sex worker, but for standing up for herself against a far more powerful person. You're putting words in people's mouths that they have not said.

That's the part you don't seem to get.

[DemocraticPatriot]

18. A porno actress is not the same thing as a prostitute.

A prostitute IS a "sex worker", not a film worker.....
not that I have any problem with that, either.

If not for johns, she wouldn't have that job, would she?

But if you can't understand the difference between a porn actress and a prostitute,
then your personal opinion of either has "no value".

[Chainfire]

21. I am sorry, but she is a sex worker by definition.

I did not call the woman a prostitute. And you are wrong about the definition of the term "sex worker."

Sex work·er
/seks ˈwərkər/
noun

1.
a person who engages in prostitution, appears in pornography, or takes part in similar activities for payment:
"there were separate clinics for female and male sex workers"

Or from Wiki: sex worker


[ seks wur-ker ]


Phonetic (Standard)
IPA
noun
a person employed in the sex industry, as a prostitute, pornographic film actor, stripper, nude model, or creator of sexually explicit online content.

If you need more, let me know.

[DemocraticPatriot]

23. You may not have called her a prostitute,

but you're still implying that there's no difference...

Fine, you win on the 'definition, at least according to Wikipedia. I have my own definitions, thanks. None of them include any hints of misogynistic disapproval which implies that their word is less worthy because of what they do for a living....

[Chainfire]

24. I did not call her a prostitute or imply that she was one. Exactly how is it my fault that you don't know the

definition of the term that you attacked?

[DemocraticPatriot]

25. I don't entirely agree with the definition in Wikipedia, that's all.

Maybe I'll go in and add a little nuance.

I may have conflated your response with someone else's, or read something into it which you did not intend, but something about
"lets don't portray her as a hero because of what she does for a living" rubbed me the wrong way. Actually, a female poster here DID state that a porno actress was basically a prostitute, and that got my back up...

[Chainfire]

27. I posted three definitions from different sources. If you have a published source that defines the term differently,

please, post it instead of arguing that your personal definition is the correct one.

I did not call Daniels a prostitute because I know the difference in the definitions of the terms. You were just wrong, you were corrected, own it and move on. You can define a term any way you wish but don't bring it to a public discussion as a matter of fact. If you want to continue the argument, argue with Mr. Webster over definitions:

From Webster's dictionary:
Synonyms
Example Sentences
Word History
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sex worker
noun
pluralsex workers
Synonyms of sex worker
: a person whose work involves sex acts
especially : a person who engages in sexual intercourse in exchange for pay
sex work noun

[DemocraticPatriot]

29. Pffft. I already conceded the point,

so why do you feel the need to harass me with further 'definitions' ?

Your continued harassment of the topic is of 'no value' to me. Seems a bit like 'bullying'--
especially telling me about what I can or cannot post about..

[Chainfire]

31. If you can't attack the message, attack the person with "bullying." The last gasp of a failed argument.

Our entire exchange was over the definition of the term sex-worker. I hope you got some value from it.

[Chainfire]

34. Since you are down to nothing but personal attacks, I will let you have the final word for all to see.

[DemocraticPatriot]

35. Have a good day! :D

[NavyDem]

45. How about Merriam-Webster?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sex%20worker

sex worker
noun
plural sex workers
Synonyms of sex worker
: a person whose work involves sex acts
especially : a person who engages in sexual intercourse in exchange for pay
sex work noun


Edit: Just realized that this definition was being posted as I was looking it up to post.

[NanaCat]

36. Does your personal disgust have any bearing whatsoever

On the case?

I can assure you that the law doesn't care what you think of the people involved, because the law doesn't care if the people involved in a case are disgusting. The law only cares about a crime committed, and whether or not the state has a case to convict on the criminal charge(s).

[Tree Lady]

2. My massage lady and I

ended up talking about it today. We were both talking about how women are being treated now and Stormy.

Basically that Stormy has a right to be in those movies and dance without being expected to have sex for having that job.

We talked about something most women don't talk about which is having sex when you don't want to simply because you feel coerced or pressured into saying yes.

[cally]

3. Yes

We are talking about it now and recognizing our share experience

[MOMFUDSKI]

5. This trial is becoming a teachable moment

for ALL!

[Irish_Dem]

26. Same thoughts.

Decades ago it would have been a given that Stormy would have been raked over the coals.
And told she deserved what happened to her.

Times have changed.

The fact Trump's attorneys slut shamed Stormy is a disgrace.

[Demobrat]

40. They TRIED to slut shame her.

Unfortunately for them, she’s not ashamed of what she does. So I would call the attempt an epic fail.

[Irish_Dem]

41. Stormy pushed right back at them.

And made mincemeat of the attorneys.

[Demobrat]

43. She was magnificent

No doubt she has had to deal with men and women a lot smarter and tougher than those privileged ivy-league educated worms.

What she does is a million times more honest than what they do.

[Irish_Dem]

44. Yes.

She does an honest day's work and is not conning, lying and cheating every minute of the day.

[Demobrat]

42. Deleted

[getagrip_already]

28. contrast her treatment to that of westerhout

They are about the same age. Yet one was torn down and slut shamed and the other was held out as the paragon of virtue, even though they both worked for a living, were thrown under the bus by the orange turd, and both are currently on the outs.

The difference? One is saying nice things about him, sucking up, and trying to get hired back in some capacity. She is clearly making nice shit up to say about him. It flies in the face of what others have said about his work habits and temperment.