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senseandsensibility

(17,265 posts)
Thu May 9, 2024, 03:11 PM May 9

The media loved David Pecker, but the standards for Stormy seem to be

a little , shall we say "different."

Although Pecker was praised many times almost universally as a truth teller and someone the jury would believe, he had actually committed unethical and almost certainly illegal acts. The fact that he told the truth under oath to save himself was not a focal point. But if you look at his actions objectively, they were dishonest, sleazy, and possible resulted in denying the people a fair election.

Contrast that with Stormy. She has no immunity deal. Why? No one is accusing her of doing anything illegal. Yet she is being portrayed as someone more "sketchy" than Pecker.

Apparently, her testimony about her interactions with cheato is "icky" but that only applies to her, not the male who initiated the interaction. She is being judged by a completely different standard, and I submit that sexism is the reason.

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The media loved David Pecker, but the standards for Stormy seem to be (Original Post) senseandsensibility May 9 OP
Stormy talked too much Tuesday gab13by13 May 9 #1
Pecker kept referring to TSF as an "eligible bachelor" when he was married. wryter2000 May 9 #2
Lisa Rubin is doing a good job of calling it out senseandsensibility May 9 #3
I like Lisa Rubin. And she certainly works hard. Nt spooky3 May 9 #6
Everyone loves a rapist protector, whatever do you mean? onecaliberal May 9 #4
There has always been and continues to be a double standard dlk May 9 #5
Laws and society are both regressing quickly. Boomerproud May 9 #9
It is scary senseandsensibility May 9 #24
It's what... 2naSalit May 10 #25
And the reason is because she has "no" pecker. republianmushroom May 9 #7
Lol senseandsensibility May 9 #8
Exactly! Hope22 May 9 #11
You always love someone that is exactly like you maxrandb May 9 #10
"The only difference between the National Enquier and the News York Times is the color of the ink." OldBaldy1701E May 9 #21
He's a lovable scamp, she's a vicious harlot Warpy May 9 #12
Yep, such misogyny. n/t iluvtennis May 9 #19
It's not quite in the Constitution BaronChocula May 9 #13
Welcome to being a woman Scalded Nun May 9 #14
Tuned in to see how horrible Tapper would be on CNN senseandsensibility May 9 #15
We are watching Nicolle Wallace right now and she and her reporter guest are commenting PatrickforB May 9 #16
Absolutely senseandsensibility May 9 #18
With apologies to Shakespeare, I believe we live in a society wherein Uncle Joe May 9 #17
You're welcome senseandsensibility May 9 #20
Not just sexISM. ShazzieB May 9 #22
This country's puritanical hangups slightlv May 9 #23
I am reminded of the trial of T Cullen Davis UpInArms May 10 #26
Disgusting story senseandsensibility May 10 #27
TSF got elected due to going against a woman. Traurigkeit May 10 #28
Pecker should have been Mr.Bill May 10 #29

wryter2000

(46,153 posts)
2. Pecker kept referring to TSF as an "eligible bachelor" when he was married.
Thu May 9, 2024, 03:19 PM
May 9

I thought the analysts on MSNBC were pretty outraged as the slut shaming they perceived. They seemed quite animated about it. Good for them.

Boomerproud

(8,000 posts)
9. Laws and society are both regressing quickly.
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:30 PM
May 9

The powers that be are making sure of that. They've been angry at any progress we've made for a long time.

senseandsensibility

(17,265 posts)
24. It is scary
Thu May 9, 2024, 06:54 PM
May 9

MSNBC keeps referring to the post "Me too" era, but it feels to me like we're leaving that in the rear view mirror.

Hope22

(1,916 posts)
11. Exactly!
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:38 PM
May 9

The media is willing to drive this country like the bus it is, right over the cliff. They are the last voice in the matter and that is very frightening!

maxrandb

(15,432 posts)
10. You always love someone that is exactly like you
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:37 PM
May 9

Our entire FUCKING 4Th Estate have become nothing but "peckers".

The only difference between the National Enquier and the News York Times is the color of the ink.

Warpy

(111,524 posts)
12. He's a lovable scamp, she's a vicious harlot
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:39 PM
May 9

and so it goes.

Never mind, she only screwed a two legged pig for money. Pecker's the one who killed stories and helped him get elected.

BaronChocula

(1,664 posts)
13. It's not quite in the Constitution
Thu May 9, 2024, 04:53 PM
May 9

but it's assumed by white nationalists that you can bully, without punishment someone who isn't a white christian straight cis male or any combination on the list. Ironically, white nationalists are the ones who complain about "elites."

senseandsensibility

(17,265 posts)
15. Tuned in to see how horrible Tapper would be on CNN
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:23 PM
May 9

Could only stand it for about two minutes. He is dismayed by Stormy selling "merch". What a weirdo he is. Does he even know how cheato spent last night instead of campaigning?

PatrickforB

(14,613 posts)
16. We are watching Nicolle Wallace right now and she and her reporter guest are commenting
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:25 PM
May 9

on just that.

The elegant treatment of Hope Hicks vs Stormy Daniels. The affable cross examination of Pecker and praising him no end. But Daniels.

Nope, they are doing what has always been done to women who are raped or otherwise coerced into sex as Daniels was.

But make no mistake, Daniels is not the bad guy here. Trump is. In fact Trump is so bad here he will likely be found guilty.

senseandsensibility

(17,265 posts)
18. Absolutely
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:34 PM
May 9

Both Pecker and Hicks were willing to lie to the public about what is at issue here and yet neither were treated with the disdain that I see for Stormy.

Uncle Joe

(58,642 posts)
17. With apologies to Shakespeare, I believe we live in a society wherein
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:26 PM
May 9

what things are called in too many cases is more important than what they are.

Being called a CEO sounds a lot nicer than a porn star, even though the former did infinitely more damage to the free flow of information and in turn threaten our democracy as a result of his actions.

Thanks for the thread senseandsensibility

senseandsensibility

(17,265 posts)
20. You're welcome
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:35 PM
May 9

When I get upset about things like this I need to vent and DU is a good outlet! Thanks for reading my friend.

ShazzieB

(16,707 posts)
22. Not just sexISM.
Thu May 9, 2024, 05:53 PM
May 9

The stigma of her being a sex WORKER.


Which, come to think of it, would probably not at all the same for a male sex worker. So I guess the root of it is sexism, after all!

slightlv

(2,899 posts)
23. This country's puritanical hangups
Thu May 9, 2024, 06:04 PM
May 9

about sex leads to everything I've seen listed in the message list. And, if the Dominionists out there (NAR) have their way, they'll completely outlaw recreational sex... that's how puritanical we are, as a country.

UpInArms

(51,299 posts)
26. I am reminded of the trial of T Cullen Davis
Fri May 10, 2024, 01:45 PM
May 10

in Amarillo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Cullen_Davis

On August 2, 1976, an intruder entered Stonegate Mansion and killed 12-year-old Andrea Wilborn, who was home alone after returning from a Bible study. The body of Andrea would later be found in the basement, apparently shot execution-style.[3][5] When Childers and her then-boyfriend Stan Farr returned home, both were shot. Farr died at the scene. Childers staggered from the house being pursued by the killer as family friends Beverly Bass and Gus Gavrel Jr. (who later married), drove up to the mansion. The killer shot Gavrel, paralyzing him for life.[1]

Childers identified Davis to police, saying he had shot her and Farr, wearing no disguise except a wig. Gavrel (who died on December 6, 2018, of pancreatic cancer, aged 64) said he was shot after Bass recognized the gunman as Davis and called him by name. Police arrested Davis that same night, at the home he shared with Karen Master, his then-girlfriend who would become his third wife. At the first trial, Davis's wealth was estimated at over $100 million ($540 million today).

Davis was only tried for the murder of Andrea. He was defended by famous Texas defense attorney Richard "Racehorse" Haynes. The prosecution case relied almost entirely on eyewitness testimony. Earlier in the day of the shooting, a judge had ordered Davis's monthly support to Priscilla increased from $3500 to $5000 ($18,740 to $26,770 today) and to pay her legal fees of $25,000 ($133,860 today) and household expenses of $24,000 ($128,510 today).[2] This change was proposed as a motive for the crimes.

Davis did not testify in his own defense. Haynes's defense concentrated on two main points. First, the complete lack of physical evidence linking Davis to the crime (no fingerprints, no firearm linked to the murder, etc.).[6] Second, Haynes focused on the eyewitness testimony, particularly Priscilla. Haynes depicted her as living in two worlds: Fort Worth high society, and a milieu of drug dealers, criminals, and sleazy sex. Haynes proposed that Priscilla's admitted heavy use of prescription painkillers made her an unreliable witness who might have been confused about the identity of her attacker.[6]

Journalist Gary Cartwright wrote: "most observers agreed later that the case was won as soon as Haynes completed his cross-examination of Priscilla"; this occurred only two weeks into a three-month trial.[6] Davis was found not guilty. Of the trial, prosecutor Tim Curry said, "We were out-bought and out-thought".[3][5]


If anyone was on trial, it was Priscilla

(Bolded for emphasis)

Traurigkeit

(536 posts)
28. TSF got elected due to going against a woman.
Fri May 10, 2024, 02:49 PM
May 10

If it were a man that was the Democratic Candidate TSF would have lost in a Landslide.

The sick reality of The United States of America.

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