Damn. Watching HRC on MSNBC and I feel a sense of loss for America and the World with having her

[Botany]

…. Presidency stolen by Russia, the right wing, our dirty media who kept talking about her
emails as they were well aware of just how mobbed up Trump was, the electoral college,
sexism, and the non stop selling of the meme, “people just don’t like her” even though she
was very popular as Sec. of State.

Btw the world would not have had the 14 million dead from C-19 if she had been in the
White House.

[hlthe2b]

1. She has tremendous strength and grace to move on as she has...

while forgetting NOTHING. Meanwhile, the rest of us may have TRIED to move on, but know what would/should have been. sigh...

[Johnny2X2X]

2. On Covid alone she would have saved hundreds of thousands of Americans

By just being mature enough to let the experts take the lead and take the point.

People forget when Covid first became a crisis here, that everyone lamented it politically. "Well, re-election is guaranteed for Trump now, facing a crisis like this will allow him to be the hero for leading the country and he won't even have to do anything but get out of the way." There were many posts here aout this. And he couldn't even do that. It was pure chaos here as he made the pandemic all about him. He simply couldn't let the experts set the policy, he had to pretend to be the expert on everything.

Sure, Republicans still would have fought Hillary whatever path she chose, but she would have made sure everything about Coid was as free from politics as possible. The medical experts would have been front and center, not the president.

[mopinko]

5. he lapped up the attention of the daily briefing.

he was jealous of cuomo, who was making a monkey out of him every day att. and looking great doing it, i might add. yeah, another ny’er.

iirc they ended shortly after the bleach thing.

he couldnt show boat it, so he smashed it.

[Johnny2X2X]

10. Imagine if he had worn a mask regularly in public

I am only half kidding when I say that if Trump would have worn a mask and been adament that they are necessary, we would have had armed bands of MAGAs checking the public to make sure they were wearing their masks.

And the way he played games with the states was deplorable. States who praise him got help, states critical got the cold shoulder for federal funds. Just sick.

[PatSeg]

12. That's a good point

His brainless followers hung on every word he said. If they saw him wearing a mask on a regular basis, they would have become mask-evangelists.

[Johnny2X2X]

14. And he refused because of his makeup

The masks came off orange and he'd have been removing it in public to speak at a lectern regularly.

Republicans still would have bitched about her response to it and tried to score political points. But all the real guidelines would have been coming from medical experts and she would have gotten key Republicans to agree that we should just listen to the experts. Instead you had Trump being threatened by not knowing shit so he pushed Hydroxychoriquin and then Ivermectin. Then he thought he would score political points about schools being closed and vaccine mandates. All of that could have just been calm and accepted without Trump.

None of the chaos and unrest around Covid would have happened if anyone else would have been president. Hell, here in Michigan, we had armed militias trying to kill our governor over Covid rules.

[PatSeg]

18. Oh yes, the makeup!

I hadn't thought of that. The mask would be covered in it and his "handsome" face would be all smeared. Such a vain, insecure man.

Yes, he could have made a huge difference, just by setting a good example and then supporting the experts who were educating the public about the pandemic. Everything he touches is made far worse than it needs to be.

[NanaCat]

32. The makeup transfer would have been a minor thing

He'd need to wear less of the stuff, and a good powder to reduce the foundation transferring to the mask. When it's on, stay stoic as much as possible behind it. Time to take it off? Both hands for ear straps off, then mask straight out from face. Then you only need a light touchup where the mask edges were.

I can't count how many times my mum had to go straight from a social event into surgery with full makeup on, and came out looking like she did going in because those were her tricks to keep a mask from destroying her cosmetic application. One time, she was so knackered after surgery that she came home with the mask still on, LOL. She took it off, and there was barely any makeup on it--and barely any smudging to her face, either.

That's because she knew those little tricks to keep her makeup as intact as possible, mask or no mask, most of the time.

[Johnny2X2X]

33. Old Spice

So Trump is a creature of habit, he wears Old Spice cologne wich is as cheap as it gets. He wears the same spray tan and bronzer that he has for 30 years, it's cheap and he probably buys it by the bucket. That stuff doesn't stay put like good cosmetics do, it's like paste and gets on everything. His shirts often are a mess from the spray tan being all over it.

[3catwoman3]

28. He could even have grifted off it. Could have had red MAGA masks...

...made and the drooling worshipers would have bought them by the gross and harassed those of us not wearing that style.

[kwijybo]

57. You aren't wrong about the 'armed bands'

But, he was doing more than playing games. The initial deaths were POC and concentrated in Blue states. The 'right' people were dying, so Jared and the Orange Turd didn't push for preventative measures. Quite the opposite;

Don't forget, they were also confiscating the PPE that blue states, and companies in blue states, would order from China. Friends of Jared would sell it to the National Stockpile. Which wouldn't send any to the Blue States, so they'd have to order more.

[Botany]

11. She would not have:

1) sent 18 tons of PPE to China because Trump and Jared owed them millions or
billions….. not having theses PPE supplies when the pandemic took over cost thousands
of lives

b) Scrapped President Obama and Dr. Fauci’s global pandemic task force

iii) Fired the CDC’s epidemiologist who was on the ground in Wuhan, China looking
exactly for things like C-19 virus. Btw the disease came from “the wet markets” in
Wuhan because I believe in the science of evolutionary biologists who used the virus’
RNA genome who could trace its origin.

[Johnny2X2X]

17. On the wet markets

Yes, I have heard this too. The science has led it to the wet markets. And there was some uncertainty for a couple years, because science needs to be objective and follow the evidence. The difference is that people looking for one answer found it and ignored what happened after with the science. There was a point in time where the labs seemed more likely, so some people got the answer they wanted then and that has been their truth since. Where as people who respect science and want the actual truth would have been totally accepting if it had eventually concluded that this was from a lab leak.

And that's the Youtube, Instagram research model you see now. Look for a single study supporting your position and then stop looking after you find the answer you want. So you've got Joe Rogan and Bill Maher types who were looking for answers they wanted on all sorts of things around Covid and once they found them, stopped looking. That's why you hear Bill Maher constantly saying things like, "The masks didn't work." "The school shutdowns didn't save lives and did more harm than good." "Vaccines don't prevent the spread." They take one sentence off some random study and draw their conclusions and then cement them in place. When in reality the science continues and leads to more definitive answers. Masks did work, they significantly reduced the spread and the number of deaths, that's what the science says. Vaccines do in fact reduce the spread, even today vaccinated people are several times less likely to get Covid, it's just not 95% like some people want.

And on schools. The data is more murky, but it likely did save lives. But here's the thing, this was a novel virus we didn't know a ton about. Even if they turned out to be unnecessary, it was still the right call at the time. It was still the prudent decision with a virus that was novel and rapidly changing. We didn't know foir sure that kids were safer from it than adults. What if it would have mutated to some 97% fatality rate for children under 10? We couldn't risk all that until we knew more about it. And we still needed to stop kids from spreading it at home if they got it at school.

It's like Bill Maher and Joe Rogan show up to the pool and there's a downed power line laying in the water. They don't go swimming for fear of electicution, then the maintenance man shows up and says, "Oh, hey, that was unconnect coaxial cable for cable TV, it is not electrified." Roagn and Maher both go, "OMG, we are such idiots, wer should have just jumped in the pool, we could hae been swimming this whole time. We were so wrong to wait to make sure jumping into the pool wasn't going to kill us instantly. I'll never forgive myself."

[Botany]

30. Evolutionary Biologists now thanks to Bill Clinton and the humane genome project can now read ....

…. sections of genetic material and where it came from. A to G and T to C works every time.

The mouth breathers who went after Dr. Fauci for changing some of the protocols on the handling
of the disease can not or more likely will not understand that when the data, our understanding,
of the virus, the disease, and the human body changes then the protocols of treatment, research,
and medical care needs to change too.

Btw. One of President Biden’s 1st hires was a Nobel prize winner from U.C. Berkeley to advise
him on the hiring of people for technical and scientific positions.

[NanaCat]

34. We know the masks work, because the masking cultures

In Asia, such as Japan and South Korea, contained the virus so much better than places with laxer standards.

But they've always been fanatical about wearing masks in public if they get even a sniffle. Much of that comes from their cultural ideas about being considerate of others as much as possible, including not getting your germs on them enough to make them sick.

[Traurigkeit]

47. Still wearing masks since LAte March 2020.

Not sick one day since that decision was made.
Will keep on till the Science reaches the level of stopping the threat.
COVID-19 shots every 6 months.

Why get sick when one can avoid it so easily

[peppertree]

46. Good points. I suspect something else was afoot.

Trump clearly knew of what was coming - and how calamitous it was - months before he let on.

You might recall that in early November 2019 already, he issued a secret warning to Israel and NATO about the imminent pandemic.

This is public knowledge, thanks to the Times of Israel.

Which leads me to the suspicion (not conclusion, mind you), that it may indeed have been a bio-warfare attack against China - most likely because they refused to pay his Tootsie her $2 billion (remember that one?).

The CIA and Pentagon were against it for the obvious reasons - so Trump probably resorted to what he had just used in Venezuela in his failed attempt (Op. Gideon) at regime change: mercenaries.

You can bet that whatever billionaire may have funded said mercenaries (much like Reagan resorted to billionaires like Coors and that lush Ellen Garwood to help fund the Contras), is now desperate to see him back in the White House.

[Lonestarblue]

15. She would not have fired the US scientists working in Wuhan who could have given an earlier heads up.

Better and quicker attempts early on might have prevented the virus reaching pandemic levels. The first US notification of the potential pandemic was in November, but Trump ignored everything about Covid until late January when it was too late.

She also would have set up quarantine facilities for people returning to the US. I still remember those photos of the Chicago airport with people packed in like sardines and nowhere to go for hours, making it easy for Covid to spread to many thousands. The per capita Covid death rate puts the US at number 17 in the world, far higher than most developed countries and solely Trump’s fault for politicizing Covid.

[young_at_heart]

3. She has to live with knowing that 'pure evil' took over

The monumental damage done by "evil" is overwhelming and seemingly won't stop. When he lost the election I thought it was over and normalcy would return. What a shock it has been for all these years and sometimes it seems everlasting. At my age, 84, I find it hard to feel hopeful. Just thinking of all the people who died from Covid and he literally didn't care, makes me very depressed. James Comey, IMO, was the final straw that ruined Hilary's chances. What a detestable man!!

[Botany]

16. And don't forget Comey appointed McGonigal who was being paid by Russia/Vlad/Daripaska to lead

…. the FBI’s investigation into Russia’s involvement in our 2016 election. He used The NY Times
to plant anti HRC phony propaganda such as:

FBI finds no evidence of Russia’s involvement in our election

FBI is looking back into HRC & Her Emails.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/charles-mcgonigal-named-special-agent-in-charge-of-the-counterintelligence-division-for-the-new-york-field-office

[young_at_heart]

38. Thanks for reminding me about him

I still can't understand his motive! He ruined his life and his family's life for what???

[Botany]

39. He did it for money and he might have liked HRC.

His ex wife told the FBI how he would come back from trips to Europe with duffel bags
of cash and they did nothing.

BTW the McGonagall story has disappeared
from the media. Liberal Media.

[Timeflyer]

4. Still get PTSD-like dread remembering the morning after the election results were announced.

What could have been, with her. Versus what we got, and where we are now as a country.

[JohnSJ]

6. There are people I hold directly responsible for contributing

to trump being in the WH by their refusal to vote for Hillary by either not voting or voting third party, and giving us the SC we have.

[CrispyQ]

7. The only time I rooted for Covid was when Trump got it.

POS would have died if he wasn't prez & airlifted to Walter Reed & given the latest in antivirals, gold-star treatment the rest of us never would have gotten.

[Deuxcents]

8. Hillary didn't lose. We did.

I have that on my iPhone because no truer words were written. She was the most qualified person to ever run for president and like all who have commented here..life would be so different today. If only.

[DENVERPOPS]

54. THE

MOST QUALIFIED PERSON EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Her experience an knowledge was Superior to anyone else who has made it to the White House........

[karin_sj]

9. Very true

There are so many terrible things that wouldn't have happened if the presidency hadn't been stolen from her. In addition to the many lives lost from Covid, the thousands of children separated from their families (some of whom still haven't been reunited), three corrupt Supreme Court justices taking our rights away and generally wreaking havoc, people killed by hateful, racist & antisemitic monsters, climate change worsening instead of improving, our important secrets being given away or sold to our enemies, etc., etc. Ukraine would probably not have been invaded by Putin because he wouldn't have been so emboldened. The orange creature has done so much damage to our country and the world, and continues unabated. I really can't believe that the race is supposedly so close. It's so disheartening to know that there are millions of people just like him, rooting him on. But I truly believe that he will lose resoundingly in November. It's too scary to think of the alternative.

[Kablooie]

13. Her and Al Gore

Gore who actually won.
The world might be a better place today if SCOTUS had not installed Bush into the presidency.
Gore was focused on climate change and 911 likely would have been prevented.

[oasis]

21. +1

[DENVERPOPS]

55. Don't forget

Kerry.........and the infamous EIS? voting machines and the defective "chad" machines...........

[Cosmocat]

19. Its surreal that even democrats got so down on her

simply because of the decades of right wing slander against her.

Being blunt - it shows just how fucking stupid this country is that, whatever variables on the top line came into play, so many people voted for a relentlessly hateful, morally and ethically corrupt, flaming POS over a decent, kind person who is an extraordinarily capable public servant.

[betsuni]

20. Primary rigged by DNC/Hillary, she was personally responsible for the Iraq War for voting the same

as John Kerry and John Edwards and others and would instantly start wars so more dangerous than Trump, responsible for all loss of manufacturing jobs because of NAFTA when she was First Lady, corrupt and beholden to Wall Street Wall Street Wall Street and wealthy donors and corporations and billionaires (dollar bills thrown at her when she attended at fundraiser at George Clooney's house and called a corporate w****), paid speeches for Goldman Sachs meant she was in cahoots with Wall Street in some nefarious plot, put everyone in prison because of the 1994 Crime Bill while she was First Lady because racist, had no economic policies and ignored the working/middle classes, corporatist elite establishment neoliberal corrupt corrupt corrupt. Words like establishment and progressive weaponized against Democrats (Planned Parenthood part of the evil establishment). Us vs Them populist enemies list.

Right here and everywhere else, every day. Hillary's whole career erased and replaced with a gross caricature to make the election all about her. Long history of the Democratic Party's goal of universal health care as a human right erased. Myth that FDR/LBJ were democratic socialists and therefore the roots of the party were socialist, that the party had shifted Right over the last 30 or 40 years (because of Wall Street of course) and were horribly immoral and ideologically bankrupt, worse than Republicans. People went around calling themselves FDR Democrats as if FDR wasn't a liberal Democrat (and upper class 1% wealthy elite who hated socialism).

Taking a Midwestern Methodist do-gooder whose first job was with the Children's Defense Fund, got the Children's Health Insurance Program going after trying for universal health care, was the first to get organized about the Flint water crisis and so much much more and turning her into Satan.

The person who was most responsible was not right-wing or Russian.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

37. Hillary was right about TFG

[Warpy]

22. We did elect her

Depopulated dirt outvoted us.

EC and Congressional reapportionment need to be top issues, along with expanding the USSC to reflect the number of district courts.

[ffr]

23. A sense of loss for our country is how most of us have felt since November 2016

And she had equally high numbers when she was a NY senator. She's super popular with MOST PEOPLE. Some people don't like her simply because right-wing media carried water for Putin who REALLY does not like the Clintons...because they'd make America greater and better, unlike the TSF buffoon, Putin's Puppet.

[riversedge]

24. I missed some of it but absolutely enjoyed the rest of it. Will try to find the interview later.

[ismnotwasm]

25. I sometimes wish I live in that alternate universe

Where she won.

You know I am really chill, generally. But if I think about her loss too long I get full of rage. I will carry this, willingly.

[calimary]

29. No kidding! By now, I've thought about that multiple times every day.

OMG how much better and farther forward we would have been, as a country, if Hillary had taken her rightful place in the Oval Office. Which SHE WON, FAIR AND SQUARE by the vote of THE PEOPLE. Orange Shitstain stole it from her by maneuvering in the damned Electoral College. And in my opinion, we shouldn’t even HAVE the damned Electoral College!!! Because the main message of its very existence is: “YOUR VOTE, Citizen Voter, really doesn’t count, and doesn’t matter.”

[blue-wave]

26. Yup, what a much more

positive world we would be living in today if Hillary had been in the White House for 8 years.

[chouchou]

27. My feelings are: The Right wing people shit all over themselves and...

...we've had to clean up the God-Damn mess while the bastards blame the Democrats for the mess..

[Cosmocat]

36. That's not inaccurate

My four decades of adulthood have been spent witnessing democrats trying to do things to better our country with Republicans vacilating through an endless array of barking at the moon crazy shit that oft times runs counter to what they previously were losing their minds over.

[chouchou]

40. Amen to that. I mean, talking about shooting yourself in the foot.

Seems like the Republicans would rather live a few steps down (on the happiness scale), then go-along- with the program
that make everybody happy. Geez..

[SupportSanity]

31. Agreed. Her new book should be It Takes a Psychopath

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Or: It takes a village of psychopaths

[LetMyPeopleVote]

35. I felt the same way during this interview

I was a Clinton delegate to the Philadelphia convention and worked hard on her campaign

[dlk]

41. Trump's trial for fraud/election interference in a sad reminder of how much we lost

It’s beyond heartbreaking. I’m happy to see Hillary surviving and thriving, despite it all. She still has so very much to offer.

In light of recent political events and court rulings, it’s easier to understand how it took nearly 100 years for women to achieve the right to vote.

We still have very far to go.

[joshcryer]

42. Thank you Sanders.

[Skittles]

43. yup

he played his role

[iluvtennis]

44. It's makes me so sad everytime I see her in an interview as I see what a great POTUS she would've been. n/t

[Oopsie Daisy]

45. But her emails! (Thanks Sarandon!)

[JohnSJ]

51. nina turner, david sirota, cornell west, and all those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for

Hillary by either not voting or voting third party.

In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1% while Jill Stein received 1% in those critical swing states.

[Oopsie Daisy]

53. Yes.... "progressives" (in scare-quotes)

I'll include Jane Sanders in that list, because even up until election day, she was providing cover and making excuses for, and encouraging people to not vote for the Democratic nominee... I believe she said something along the lines of "it's not important WHO we vote for and more important THAT we vote." Ugh! When I saw that, it made me want to vomit. Sickening! What a bitter and vengeful woman she is (but she can afford it and can easily be comfortable during the Trump years... other vulnerable folks had to endure the horrors, but she and Sarandon were quite comfortable and safe in their Ivory Towers.)

[Richard D]

48. I was just looking back . . .

. . . to Clinton's debate with Sanders. Prescient, to say the least:

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11437602/clinton-sanders-israel-palestine-debate

[Richard D]

49. Can I dream a little . . .

. . . of Hilary entering the race, perhaps with Biden's support and blessing? She'd wipe the toilet with trump.

[Evolve Dammit]

50. Same

[OAITW r.2.0]

52. The road not taken....

an American tragedy. The most accomplished person to run for President....and we got Trumped.

[Elessar Zappa]

56. Same here.

What a loss for America to not have had her as president.

[kwijybo]

58. My Mother was watching it too, this morning

That was her response, too.

"She's so capable and smart. The world would be in a better place if she'd been elected."

[Traurigkeit]

59. Not President due to Electoral College [terrible name] and sexist ways of Americans when voting.

HRC won the number of votes but the E.C. chucked that to the ground,

If sexism wasn't ingrained in the American thought processes since birth her TOTAL VOTES would have overwhelmed the E.C.
to meaningless.

Many cast a vote for the man or did not cast a vote at all.

The U.S. suffers so much due to our ills and bigotry

[PinkTiger]

60. I'm not sure I agree with you

HRC is wonderful. But without knowing what the Trump presidency would be like, if she had been president the Trump people and Trump would have hounded her continually.
Her policies might have saved millions, but I’m not sure it would have mattered with all the hate.