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Hillary forces target Bush donors

Hillary Clinton’s supporters in recent days have been making a furious round of calls to top Bush family donors to try to convince them that she represents their values better than Donald Trump, multiple sources in both parties told POLITICO.

The moves come as Clinton and the Democratic Party try to take advantage of deep unease among establishment Republicans on Wall Street and elsewhere with Trump’s emergence as the presumptive Republican nominee.

Top targets for the Clinton team include people like Woody Johnson, Jeb Bush’s former finance chair and the owner of the New York Jets. In recent days, Bush’s brother and father, former presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, have said they plan to skip Trump’s nominating convention.

One person close to Clinton said supporters of the former secretary of state drew up a list of Wall Street donors who supported Jeb Bush and other unsuccessful Republican candidates months ago but wanted to wait until Trump locked down the nomination before beginning to make the calls.

“When you think about it there is no downside to making these calls, including for Hillary herself to make then,” this person said. “They may say no but they will talk to her for half an hour about their view of the world and probably say nice things when asked about her publicly. And they might stay away from Trump.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hilary-clinton-bush-donors-222872#ixzz47qDoS3pK
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Trumps Veep committee is being run by Ben Carson

The people publicly mentioned on his short list have either declined or attacked him previously.

This should be good.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/04/politics/donald-trump-vice-president-search/

I don't like Hillary's "Stop Trump" ad or argument. It assumes he is the default winner

and that it is up to HIllary to stop him.

That is poor framing that empowers and elevates Trump. He doesn't have to be "stopped." That was the republican fight, to stop him from becoming the nominee. For the general election it is promoting Democratic policies. It is perfectly fine to hammer the dangerous of the republicans and Trump, in particular. But, we aren't "stopping" trump. He is not the presumptive winner of the White House to be challenged. He is not an incumbent president.

You can bet you ass if Bernie were leading in PDs, Hillary Camp would be screaming contested.

They would say: McGovern and Mondale. They would argue that the super delegates need to be activated to prevent a nominee who will win only one state. They would say this is what the super delegates are there for: to stop a radical fringe candidate.

You can catch glimpses of this. They are honest about what role the super delegates should play, to prevent a candidate too far afield of their definition of middle electoral America. And they repeat incessantly that Bernie is a fringe candidate, protest candidate, promising free shit, unicorn farts and rainbow cookies. If Bernie were up by a mere 100 or 200 or even 300 pledged delegates, it would be-- we need the super delegates to stop this mistake.

Has a mathematically eliminated candidate ever announced a running mate before?

What bizarre world are we in. Cruz was mathematically eliminated last night. I know he's hoping to block the first round trump vote and more power to him. By he was mathematically eliminated and immediately thereafter announces his running mate! Just think about where this 2016 race is going.

Juror leaking on open juries?

It seems that that is possible that while a juror is serving on an open jury send a PM to the juried poster to tip them off. The juried can then self delete and avoid a hide. It's like insider trading or tag teaming for board disruptors.

I know you say changes are coming, so the point may be moot. If not, something to consider.

Seems an easy fix would be to disable PM ability while on a jury.

A Trump-Clinton general election poses a question: Who does America hate least?

Momentous victories in Tuesday’s primaries drove Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump ever closer to a November face-off in which the strongest argument each can make for election is the threat posed by the other.

Together, Clinton and Trump are the two most unpopular presidential candidates in memory, and both are moving to improve their images for the general election.

But they are so well-known, and operating in such a polarized political environment, that their efforts may only serve to tinker around the edges.

Both candidates issued calls to unity within their parties in their victory speeches Tuesday night, then aimed at each other. That suggested a general election battle of brutal negativity, which threatens to alienate voters and further increase partisan polarization.

The winner may be the candidate America hates the least.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-clinton-analysis-20160427-story.html

It is simply beyond me that the dumb fuck republicans are nominating goddamn trump

He needs only 46% of the remaining delegates to clinch it. The other two dipshits are mathematically eliminated and can't even figure out how to run defense to block the first round vote.

They are a sack full of morons dead set on destroying our country on that side.

Bernie's statement tonight: TICKET and platform. Who would be on the ticket?


“I am proud that we were able to win a resounding victory tonight in Rhode Island, the one state with an open primary where independents had a say in the outcome. Democrats should recognize that the ticket with the best chance of winning this November must attract support from independents as well as Democrats. I am proud of my campaign’s record in that regard.

“The people in every state in this country should have the right to determine who they want as president and what the agenda of the Democratic Party should be. That’s why we are in this race until the last vote is cast. That is why this campaign is going to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia with as many delegates as possible to fight for a progressive party platform that calls for a $15 an hour minimum wage, an end to our disastrous trade policies, a Medicare-for-all health care system, breaking up Wall Street financial institutions, ending fracking in our country, making public colleges and universities tuition free and passing a carbon tax so we can effectively address the planetary crisis of climate change.”


The first paragraph is about the "ticket" that the Dems must have to attract independents. The second paragraph is about the "platform" Bernie will push for at the convention. This is the first I recall hearing him discuss the "ticket."

Bernie is no fool. His campaign had said he will stay a Dem and support the nominee. He knows that Hillary is set to be the nominee. So when he referred to the "ticket" that can attract independents, who does he have in mind for the second half of the ticket? Does he have someone in mind?

My (FWIW) prediction for tonight: Hillary nets around 25 delegates, Bernie will need 63% moving on

My prediction, being hopeful and generous to Bernie, is that he takes Rhode Island and Delaware, narrowly. Hillary takes CT narrowly and MD and PA by 12-15 points each. When the dust settles, I am hoping that Bernie drops fewer than 25 delegates behind from where he is now.

That would put the PD count at about B-1385 to H-1650. Hillary would be up about 265.

With 1,016 left moving forward, Bernie would need 641 of those to reach 2,026, or 63%.

The calendar is favorable for Bernie from now until June 7. Indiana is a midwestern open primary with 83 delegates. Guam and Virgin Islands are caucuses, with a total of 14 delegates. Oregon is Bernie country with 61 delegates. West Virginia (29) is semi closed primary and Kentucky (55) is a closed primary. Who knows? And Puerto Rico (60) is an open primary, but went big to Hillary in 08.

I don't expect much to change with respect to the bottom line between tonight and June 7, when 694 delegates are on the table.
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