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If our VP is Kaine, blame our failure to elect Democratic governors.

VP nominees are either governors, or Senators whose replacements get named by governors.

Too bad the following states all have Republican governors:

New Jersey
New Mexico

So, no Corey Booker, or Elizabeth Warren or Dick Durbin or Tom Udall or Martin Heinrich or Bill Nelson or Debbie Stabenow or Gary Peters or Sherrod Brown or Tammy Baldwin

(Hillary Group) I promise you this is the dumbest thing you will read all week.

I'm not kidding, beware! This could make you dumber just reading it if you read the whole thing.


There are many reasons to dislike a Hillary Clinton candidacy, from the appearance of banana republic “wife of a previous president” to her horrific bad judgment in supporting wars over peace, to her ignoring crimes against humanity from the Rwandan genocides of the 1990s through the rise of ISIS to Boku Huram, to the kill-the-gay-people-and-stone-the-women friendships with foreign countries, to her ineffectiveness in areas she claims to be passionate about (unions never implemented during her Walmart directorship, abortion restrictions increasing over the last twenty years of her public life, gender wage parity stuck at the same levels during the same period), but truly, there is one thing that really demonstrates absolute contempt for the country as a whole:

The Republicans hate her.

Ah, while a partisan knee jerk reaction might be to snarl “we welcome their hatred!” this is part of the problem. The reality is we are a “two party” country, but the office of President requires more because the President isn’t just the “President of the Democrats or the Republicans” – they are the President of the whole country. They are, in theory, above Party because the whole country needs to be able to rally around them in the event of national crisis. The bully pulpit of the Presidency is expected to stand firm for issues of national value – the truth speaker and trusted one, because there is no higher honor citizens can offer.


The idea of asking Republicans to bow their heads in respect to a “leader” who is despised by the rank-and-file Republicans at this level is appalling.


The Democratic Party isn’t even trying to hide their real message anymore:

It is “FUCK YOU, AMERICA!” And they laugh, because the bullies think there is nothing we can do except obey….

To recap: their thesis is that running someone that the Republicans hate is an insult to the entire country.

It should be illegal to be that stupid.

this is the kind of blind hate she's been up against for 25 years now, from not only the extreme right but impostors on the left.

Another expedition into the fever swamps of Free Republic and similar sites.

In honor of Trumad:


1) They are enraged that a person whom Republicans hate would run for the Democratic nomination. They think the fact that Republicans hate the person should disqualify a candidate. Thread title "The insult of a Hillary Clinton candidacy." Excerpts here.

2) Somewhat oddly, they're celebrating a Michael Moore prediction, that Donald Trump will defeat Hillary Clinton. They claim that Clinton stole the Democratic nomination and the only way Trump can lose is if she steals the general election too.

3) they're claiming that it's a sign of fascism that people seek to break the glass ceiling for women, LGBT Americans and people of color in corporate America

4) They're hoping **Bernie** delegates start chanting "Lock her up!" at the **Democratic nomination**. WTF--how stupid and delusional are these fuckers?

5) They think Trump flying in on a plane was a Bush-style codpiece moment--"very much a display of power and wealth. I think he won today."

6) Eagerly citing RNC figures and Andrew Napolitano to pimp Clinton foundation conspiracy theories.

7) They all got practically sexually aroused by Chris Christie's lock her up chants. They think it's awesome.

Thank god we have a place like DU where such misguided, warped people and their toxic discourse are not welcome.

Violence, Blood and Betrayal inside the Trump Potemkin Village


In substantive terms, the much bigger story from last night was a hastily thrown together program focused on violence, bloodshed and betrayal by political enemies. We've become so inured to Trump's brand of incitement that it's barely gotten any notice that Trump had three parents whose children had been killed by illegal/undocumented immigrants to tell their stories and whip up outrage and fear about the brown menace to the South. These were either brutal murders or killings with extreme negligence. The pain of these parents is unfathomable.

But whatever you think about undocumented immigrants there's no evidence they are more violent or more prone to murder than others in American society. One could just as easily get three people who's children had been killed by African-Americans or Jews, people whose pain and anguish would be no less harrowing. This isn't illustration; it's incitement. When Trump first did this in California a couple months ago people were aghast. Now it's normal.

Even more disturbing, numerous speakers from the dais, including some of the top speakers of the evening, called for Hillary Clinton to be imprisoned. At least two - and I think more - actually led the crowd in chants of "lock her up!" There has never been any evidence of criminal activity on Clinton's part. An investigation with a lot of pressure to find something amiss concluded that no charges should be recommended against her and that no prosecutor would bring charges against Clinton for anything connected to her private email server.

It goes without saying that it is a highly dangerous development when one presidential nominee and his supporters make into a rallying cry that their opposing candidate should be imprisoned. This is not Russia. This is not some rickety Latin American Republic from half a century ago. This is America. For all our failings and foibles this is not a path we've ever gone down.

This is not a disagreement about a matter of law: it is a demand for vengeance and punishment, one rooted in the pathologies of the current Trumpite right and inevitably to some extent about the fact that Clinton is a woman. If you have a chance rewatch the speeches by Rudy Giuliani or even more ret. Gen Michael Flynn. These are not normal convention speeches. It is only a small skip and a jump to the state legislator in West Virginia who demanded Clinton by executed by hanging on the National Mall. In such a climate, don't fool yourself: worse can happen.

The Trump campaign has always been about revenge and reclamation. Trump is a catalyst not a cause. It is all borne from the social and cultural transformation that is currently changing the country. Hillary Clinton has plenty of flaws. But they have no necessary or clear connection to the venom and increasingly violent anger directed against her. She's simply the symbol and target. "Lock her up!" "Lock her up!". This is an American political convention. She's the opposing party nominee. This is not normal. Not normal at all.

Donald Trump's wife said this?

. That your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise. That you treat people with respect. They taught me to show the values and morals in my daily life.

Yeah, that was plagiarized. Because, um, that's pretty much the opposite of the man she married.

Kind of like Kim Kardashian talking about how she's raising North to be humble and keep a low profile.

Inspired by Trumad, I explored the lowest depths of Free Republic

and other loony wingnut hate sites.

Can you believe the crazy?


1) "Clinton Body Count--update"--accusing Clinton of murdering a DFC staffer because he was in on her plans to steal elections.

2) Accusing Loretta Lynch of being 'corrupt' because she isn't trying to throw Hillary Clinton in jail

3) A bunch of white people calling to "interrogate black allegiance" to the Democratic Party and "go to war with black congressmen, black mayors, and the entire black political establishment."

4) Accusing dedicated progressive and former cabinet secretary Robert Reich of being a 'fraud'

5) Accusing Hillary Clinton and the Clinton foundation of launching the attempted coup in Turkey last week

6) They're drooling over the new wingnut documentary "Clinton Cash"

7) Plenty of drooling over Judicial Watch, and hero worship for Jason Chaffetz and Trey Gowdy--one person even came out and said "I'm rooting for the Vast Rightwing Conspiracy."

These people are NUTS! I have never seen a bunch of bigger idiots.

Kerry urges Turkey to maintain democratic principles after coup attempt

Source: Washington Post

BRUSSELS — Secretary of State John F. Kerry said NATO will be scrutinizing Turkey in coming days to ensure that it fulfills the alliance’s requirements for democracy and the rule of law following a failed coup attempt.

“NATO also has a requirement with respect to democracy,” Kerry told reporters after European Union foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini warned Turkey not to execute coup plotters. She noted that countries with the death penalty cannot join the European Union, as Turkey, a NATO member, has sought to do.

State Department spokesman John Kirby said that while NATO will be watching Turkey carefully, “it’s too soon to say that their membership is at risk.”

Kerry said Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has repeatedly assured him that the government will respect democracy and the law. Kerry warned that NATO will “measure” its actions.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/kerry-warns-turkey-nato-membership-potentially-at-stake-in-crackdown/2016/07/18/f427ba8a-4850-11e6-8dac-0c6e4accc5b1_story.html

The WaPo emailed out a 'correction' on the original headline which said Kerry was warning Turkey that its NATO membership was in jeopardy.

Seems the original headline was correct.

Meet Germany's most famous refugee:


Turkish president Tayyip Erdoğan is reportedly seeking asylum in Germany, as a military coup continues in Turkey, U.S. military sources tell NBC News. Erdoğan's presidential jet was allegedly denied landing rights at Istanbul's airport, before heading out of the country. Addressing Turkey via Facetime, Erdoğan asserted declared, “I am president,” and vowed to crush the opposition forces. He also said "This country can't be managed from Pennsylvania," directly linking the coup attempt to U.S.-based exiled imam Fethullah Gülen.

David Letterman's top 10 list of guys Mike Pence looks like.


This is their best option for VP nominee?

10. The guy at the bar who sends your girlfriend a drink
9. The guy who makes his dog sleep outside
8. The guy whose wife has to tell him he's "getting a little loud"
7. The guy who greets a room full of guys with "morning, ladies"
6. The guy who has a little too much fun on "audience get acquainted" night
5. The real estate agent whose photo is on a bus stop bench
4. The guy who keeps a baseball bat in his trunk
3. The guy who won three national championships as head coach of the Indiana Hoosiers (Bobby Knight, who is also known for throwing a chair onto the court during a game)
2. The guy who arrives at his high school reunion in a rented Ferrari
1. The guy fishing in a Cialis commercial

"We got 80% of what we wanted in this platform,"--Sanders campaign


Overall, though, they celebrated, touting the party's platform -- finalized in the wee Sunday morning hours -- as one that reflects the causes that animated the Vermont senator's campaign.

"We got 80% of what we wanted in this platform," top Sanders foreign policy adviser Warren Gunnels told CNN.

Those successes could keep in place plans for Sanders to appear in person with Clinton on Tuesday in New Hampshire, finally endorsing his Democratic primary rival.

Clinton's campaign also touted the platform. "We are proud of the work that Democrats did in Orlando and for coming together to further strengthen the most progressive platform in the history of our party," said Clinton senior policy adviser Maya Harris.

NB: Gunnels was in charge of negotiating all platform items for the Sanders campaign.

The people complaining that the 2016 Democratic platform is Republican lite are the same purist idiots who gave us wisdom such as "Bush=Gore." Get back to us when Bernie Sanders likes >80% of the RNC platform.
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