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Infowars guru Jones, based in Austin, and a supporter of the Pauls and says he 'really likes Cruz,'

has been pumping this into the minds of the gullible since before 2002, or Y2K when civilization was going to end. Papa Paul keeps giving his prediction of America's complete economic collapse and MartialLaw©. There latest deadline is September of this year. These are the SFB types that put Cruz in office. Jones is an admitted Bircher and also a Libertarian. But he says that he knows TheTruth©. Before anyone thinks its' harmless, read the latest SPLC report:

His principal venues are “The Alex Jones Show,” which has approximately 2 million weekly listeners and is nationally syndicated on about 60 radio stations, and two conspiracy-themed websites, InfoWars.com (Alexa rank 330) and PrisonPlanet.com (Alexa rank 3,237).


http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/alex-jones

They are in every state, people are voting against all taxes (back in the 1990s he claimed the IRS was illegal) and he's only gotten worse. His films and there are many of them free on youtube have also been shown in movie theaters. He's definitely got backers somewhere, I suspect Koch influence. Working it from boths sides, right and left. Because both can find something to get them excited. He also has a world wide audience and he's bigger than some admit.

Yeah, I can see Cruz and Abbott singing his song. There are a lot of benighed souls inTexas who have been completely turned around by this guy. This is where this comes from, and it's gospel to varied groups, especially among the young.

I love that Einstein hair look. I know a lot of seniors who get it. They are no less valuable.



Same as Obama wearing the same suits every day, he said it's just one less thing to think about when he's doing his job. Not all of us are that concerened about our looks or clothes. Bernie has things to do and places to be.

He seems younger every time I see new images of him, as the campaign is invigorating. There are pursuits in life that are not chores and onerous duties but call to one's highest nature. Energy flows to one to accomplish those seeking good goals.

Bernie is the ideal Democrat and the type I want to see in ofice. I have seen many good words and wishes by HRC and Obama fans for Bernie. The DNC amd Hillary have welcomed him. He may be the dark horse like Obama was, but I don't see him inspiring POC more than HRC currently.

That is the essential voting block. It's their time, and that of women, and it will benefit the nation. No one will be able to smear Bernie except on his ideas. It's time to have this debate in this country. This may be our last chance and if he doesn't get the nomination, I'll vote for whoever it is.

The GOP has shown that they take our vote, redefine who a person is, and many other things that would make fans of the bad guys in the Handmaiden's Tale very, very happy.

Besides, I don't want to live under direct Koch rule. They have almost got all they wanted on the state level now. Wait, I won't be able to live under Koch rule. So yeah, I do not approve of those saying they will not vote if their candidate is not the nominee. Because they don't care about the lives of me or people I care about. And that's the bottom line to me.

If the farms are owned by the government, and the workers paid as government employees, no problem.

The question is, do they own the land in question?

Will they be able to pay the workers, in wages or other renumeration (with costs offset with housing, or a share of what they grow, as a communal group - which isn't that desirable, Libertarians love that idea - it's called cheap labor) to make them anything more than peons again?

Will they have rights?

Of course, if the first question is not addressed in fairness to all, the rest is just horseshit and will not succeed.

In a truly socialist society, the ownership of things essential to the public good is assumed. So this should be no surprise as a solution. The problem I have learned is that Maduro is running a system that is not what many of us believe a socialist government to be.

Instead of being a crony capitalist system, it is a crony system with huge wealth being transferred to individuals and others who are becoming the new oligarchs, or boligarchs, hiding under the rhetoric of socialism for people who will buy that brand without thinking in the larger context of what is going on there, where the power really is.

Like Putin, now a billionaire from his time in government, but we may have fantasies he is against Western evils, that is horseshit. He's an oligarch. Maduro and his cronies appear to be working fast and furious to become the nouveau riche.

It is not even a liberal society in terms of human rights:

Abortion is illegal in Venezuela. This is not a sign of a liberal nor a progressive political environment. It has one of the top rates of HIV infection and underage pregnancy and is reportedly anti-semetic. This is not the record of say, a state like Norway, Sweden, etc. If half the people are kept to second rate status by culture, that country does not believe in human rights. There is no place to hide or any rhetoric to hide behind. No ands, ifs, or buts. EOM.

I favor these things in any government:

a robust health system without profit funded by strong government as Scandinavian nations have had;

public systems of water and electricity and less parasitic feeding on those which is happening in various degrees now, where people use the public system but extract profit which degrades the system by virtue of privatization or other less obvious schemes;

and nationalization of extractable energy sources that are often managed with profit being the prime interest, while degrading water, land, air, health and all the other evils that people have traditionally turned a blind eye to because they have this blind faith that business and people they have no control over whatsoever, will take care of them. Pull my other finger!

So it ain't a socialist paradise by any means and I refuse to accept history as the cause of that. No one is making them behave in the way that the government there is doing. We're not talking even remotely talking of what Bernie would approve. I approve of him, but not the grinding on and on of anti-Obama and anti-HRC -- not my first choice and she was my last choice in 2008-- rhetoric. The cheap shots have the PUMA stench or 'Party Unity My Ass.' That is not from him, but those who, like the PUMAs, turned many of us off from HRC for many years.

Yes, I am a heretic and a rebel and can think very well for myself.

Every nation, every culture, is different. I'd be glad to live in any of the Scandinavian or European countries who have benefited their population. Not Venezuela, as it has ignored everything but economic theory.

No, I do not fit in the boxes some are trying to force some of us into at DU, because:



Great article. The navy ought to know:



Welcome to DU3!

How To Make Homemade Popcorn


No, not a skillet. Work with me, okay?

In a Heavy-bottom pot, heat 1/4" oil, 2 kernels of popcorn and cover. Heat on medium until the 2 kernels pop.

Add popcorn - about 1/3". Cover and shake occasionally until the lid starts to rise.

Turn off heat and enjoy great popcorn every time!


Or just use the microware version. We don't time to waste, we're outraged at Obama! I mean how dare he? How DARE he? Why is he still in the White House?


Reminiscent of Thoreau's idea, which I have considered often:

...I used to see a large box by the railroad, six feet long by three wide, in which the laborers locked up their tools at night; and it suggested to me that every man who was hard pushed might get such a one for a dollar, and, having bored a few auger holes in it, to admit the air at least, get into it when it rained and at night, and hook down the lid, and so have freedom in his love, and in his soul be free.

This did not appear the worst, nor by any means a despicable alternative. You could sit up as late as you pleased, and, whenever you got up, go abroad without any landlord or house-lord dogging you for rent. Many a man is harassed to death to pay the rent of a larger and more luxurious box who would not have frozen to death in such a box as this...


The major problem now is zoning and those who don't want to see these alternatives because they bespeak of poverty. As if the impoverished are of no interest to other human beings who are doing better economically. This planet will not be healed until we stop treating life as a commodity.

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.

~ Mother Teresa

Like asking a question in a church and the howls erupt of 'You're not really saved!'



It does not sway many of us. IMO, Sanders' electability will be part of the debate, like anyone else running will face. But negative campaigns don't work except for GOP, Libertarians, Naderites, etc who profit from screwing with the heads of Democrats.

But look at PBO who was a long shot, however people saw the brilliance of his thinking and were willing to give him a chance.

Or the re-election of Clinton, as people didn't buy the smears that were being sold. But we are long way from that time, twenty years ago!

Since then the media dumbing down of the electorate has mulitplied, and that is of concern, people falling for every media trick, when the media is all about RFing Democrats and pushing the nation to agree with the Koch brothers.

Even if Sanders does not get the nomination (and remember HRC's fabled war chest is mostly IOU's and will be for the general, not the primary, so it's not to blame) it will not be the fault of other candidates running in the primary. Not being able to get your party to accept you is proof you are not electable.

So while I support Bernie, I don't support those who are waiving his flag as part of anti-other Democrat campaign style. That is pure RF.

Dance, mom, dance!



+2. Can't believe the utter outrage at this after...



Oh, no, let's not talk about that! Let's talk about a BLACK PERSON doing something WRONG!


While a black man is killed every 28 minutes in this country, the nation sleeps...

Just read this until it sinks in folks:

Freddie Gray from Baltimore, who despite committing no crime, was taken into custody and savagely beaten by the police until they severed his spine in three places and collapsed his voice box, only to die in agony seven days later?

severed his spine in three places and collapsed his voice box, only to die in agony seven days later

severed his spine in three places and collapsed his voice box, only to die in agony seven days later

severed his spine in three places and collapsed his voice box, only to die in agony seven days later

severed his spine in three places and collapsed his voice box, only to die in agony seven days later

severed his spine in three places and collapsed his voice box, only to die in agony seven days later

severed his spine in three places and collapsed his voice box, only to die in agony seven days later

severed his spine in three places and collapsed his voice box, only to die in agony seven days later

severed his spine in three places and collapsed his voice box, only to die in agony seven days later

severed his spine in three places and collapsed his voice box, only to die in agony seven days later

Priorities, people!

He said he would not run as an independent and be a spoiler like Nader. Don't worry, if he wins,

he will get the vote of Democrats.

Those who will NOT vote are voting for a RW GOP POTUS:

If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Won’t Be as an Independent: “I will not be a spoiler”

Naturally, “Will you run for president in 2016?” was the first question DFA Executive Director Charles Chamberlain asked Sanders. Though not definitive, his answer was enough to leave these activists hopeful.

“I am giving very serious consideration to it, but before you make a decision of that magnitude… you have to make sure that you can do it well,” Sanders said. “So what we are doing is reaching out to folks all over this country trying to determine whether or not we can put the grassroots organization together that we need.”

Sanders knows he will have to rely on grassroots mobilization to have a fighting chance at being elected, because his campaign will take on every monied interest. “If I run, we’ll be taking on the billionaire class,” he said. “That’s Wall Street, the drug companies, the military industrial complex.”

To the dismay some idealists, Sanders rejected the idea of running for president as an independent. “No matter what I do, I will not be a spoiler,” Sanders said. “I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the United States.”

http://inthesetimes.com/article/17572/bernie_sanders_president

to pampango:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6140372#top

If he does not win the nomination, he will have taught many in his race and concede with grace. He campaigned against the GOP in 2014, and the alternative to their ruling was clearly by Democrats. He'll support the nominee of the Democratic Party, that I am sure. Obama said essentially, that a vote for Bernie would be like voting for a third term for him.

This primary is finally going to be interesting for all of us. I predict it will make the rightwing media rave and our side will learn a lot, along with the rest of the nation, to get the job done.

I am interested in all Democratic candidates who have shown a serious interest in becoming POTUS and at his point there is only Hillary and Bernie. He has more media coverage than hers, and is more direct. I see where she is coming from... I can grasp where he is coming from better.

I will be glad with both, they each have lessons for Americans to learn to resist aristocracy and inequality. If Sanders holds firm to equality, particularly of half the population of this planet, which would be the true solution to economic issues, I can see HRC supporters getting behind his candidacy if he wins. And HRC herself will. It's really not about the persons who only have a brief time on the world stage, it's about the ideals and lives beyond the one and it's why I'm PROUD to be a DEMOCRAT.

And likewise, if HRC wins, those who care will vote Democratic. We need at least a generation of forward minded people, not those who have fallen for the Bircher line sold by the Koches, to even BEGIN to undo the damage and the horrors that we have seen.

I'm hoping that the real truth teller (not the CT commerical versions of the truth bringing about a Libertarian nightmare) the man in Baltimore who described the reason for the misery and violence in this country, will offer support to Bernie's candidacy, or influence his friends of means, and the fan base of the various cities, to help:

Orioles COO John Angelos offers eye-opening perspective on Baltimore protests

"My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state."

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/orioles-john-angelos-baltimore-protests-mlb

to chalmers:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026574923

This is the unifying cry of the American vision. As FDR said:

A liberal is a man who uses his legs and his hands at the behest - at the command - of his head. We build a way of life, not for America alone, but for all mankind.

That kind of 'exceptionalism,' I can get behind. Millions who came here since then came because of that vision. It is a 'work in progress.' And the war that has been declared upon the African American population for centuries will end under principled hands by Democrats. JMHO.

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