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Question not addressed to me, but I wouldn't.

But so what? I wouldn't hide most of the stuff that's hidden on DU.
I think people on all sides of all issues and supporters of all candidates misuse the jury system. Nevertheless, I do think it's a damn good system.

What you are missing here - or evading, I don't know if you're just unable to see it - is that this is a classic exercise in swiftboating, right up there in similitude with the swiftboating of Kerry. To be sure, the swiftboating of Kerry was much more serious, being used by the Republicans in a GE to win, reelecting a war mongering chickenhawk. Just remembering it makes my blood boil! BOIL, Skinner. I so hate it, I so hate that kind of politics and hate it hate it hate it when it wins. Yet that's exactly what's happening here with Capehart, Matthews, and the swiftboating DU trolls who're pushing the meme that Bernie Sanders is a fake. A liar about his commitment to social justice.

I never saw the post you refer to. But given this context I can understand a hide like that, esp. if the context were a gloating poster pushing the swiftboating ratfucking meme.

The ratfucking on this issue is intolerable. This has been going on for 8 months now. It's just now going into overdrive, what with Hillary Clinton's recent 3 page memo and the flood of money.

Most unpleasant is, that it means that there will never be a "discussion".

There will never be any listening.

All it will be is dirt.

People want to discuss fact? The response will be trigger words woven into paragraphs, according to Rovian memes.

This will of course set the tone of the GE, and will set the tone of US politics for the next 8 years, in every case as modified by the Republican masters.

Oh cry me a river, from your sad eyes.

I like to see the flow.

When David Brock and co. put out a disgusting meme,

I think we should shut it down.

If that means that we DO have to discuss the intersection of "social justice" and "economic justice", so be it. If that means that we DO have to "follow the money", so be it.

I think we should fight for justice on every level.

I don't think we should ever give in to some argument that in the end we're all the same.
Working with Republicans is one thing. Working to enable the highest ideals of the progressive wing of the Democratic party is a totally different thing.

Those who would sacrifice everything in order to ensure a "bipartisan, moderate, centrist, third-way" win are nothing other than Republican "centrists" who play the same rigged game.

Well then, it certainly served its purpose!

Talking about flames...

You know what I liked about sitting around a campfire when I was a kid? Toasting marshmallows. Getting them to that point right before they catch on fire, then eating them.

A thing we did a few times was gather all the families together for a campfire at the lake, then we'd get out the wax milk cartons we'd saved and go down to the shore and light the spouts on fire and set them down in the water, and they'd all float out to the center of the lake.

Sanders just wants all people to have medical care as a right. As would be guaranteed with a universal single payer plan.
He wants all children to have higher education as a right.
This doesn't mean that the rich won't be allowed to employ private doctors, above and beyond universal coverage. But it does mean that a very high bar can be set with respect to expected coverage. It also means that expected coverage can be expanded via community clinics, when given a strong nucleus of care-givers working to a common purpose. It takes the matter of life and death out of the hands of a private insurance industry and puts it in the hands of the people, right down to community level outreach.
Likewise for education. There always has been and there always will be very elite private tutors for those who can pay.

I don't think Sanders wants to take anything away from anybody, except from those who want to pay absolutely no taxes for the betterment of the people. Just taxes for war, then? For corruption? Maybe taxation has to be modified only a very little, if taxes were better distributed. Maybe taxes should be purposed LESS toward the military and continued war, which only provides ground for war profiteering?

Ah, I still remember the olden days, setting those lit milk cartons down to float away.

Political parties can be bought out.

I saw it recently in BC, Canada, when the provincial Liberal party got bought out lock stock and barrel. It almost made me applaud, even though I was explicitly among the targeted "to be screwed".
It can only happen if the bought out party is extremely weak.

Once bought out, I don't see any possible redemption. You can't buy it back.

What can you say when already back in Oct. 45 members of the Democratic progressive caucus rushed out the door to endorse Hillary Clinton, and only one had the guts to back Sanders? That's so weak that it's barely perceptible. Clearly rife with trojans and other weak characters.

Big money isn't chickenshit. When big money buys a politician and buys a few think tanks to provide the MSM 24/7/52 fodder, and buys the MSM which in turn buys a few fake "progressive" opinionators/bloviators to round out a pretense, they cover every bet, and they do it by both instinct and training. They don't spare a nickel in vetting and buying the best.

Goldman Sachs and Haliburton rule with an advocate for "choice",

Bush and Cheney and Kissinger and Kagan's PNAC wars rule with "choice",
or the very same rule without an advocate for "choice".

That's about it.

OK. Y'see what I'm getting at?

Hillary Clinton is an advocate AGAINST universal single payer health care. She says it isn't pragmatic, realistic, or in tune with the invisible hand of the marketplace. Awhile ago she wasn't. Or she said she wasn't. But at this point what can we believe about what she says? $140 million in take home fees *have* to make a difference of some kind.

If I willingly go along with such a lie, then I'll only prolong the lie.
Whatever nice feeling it might give me to go along with it isn't worth it.

So it isn't a big statement in its individual component, but I would say that sometimes it's worth it to give a big Fuck You raspberry to the liars.

All through the cold war a certain "truth" was drilled into me,

which is that if the masses of people stay home at election rather than going out to vote, then it can be seen as a vote against the system itself, against "the regime". I say that this is a valid indicator. As a corollary I had it drilled into me that states that forced people to vote were by definition totalitarian.

"If you have a better way, I'm all ears".

Perhaps when there is no better way, declining to vote for any candidate, because all are reprehensible, is a valid choice.

Why vote for someone who denigrates your values,

and who promises to work closely with Republicans in a "bipartisan" ethic "to get things done", and who campaigns against her only other real contender with a meme that he can't possibly get things done, because nothing he wants to get done is in the Republican's interests?

That is lala land politics, my friend.

Wasn't it justice Kennedy, appointed by Reagan, who wrote the recent judgement on marriage equality?

The best you can say is that some candidate might veto some Republican legislation?
How about usher Republican legislation through, in a thoroughly bipartisan manner.

How about "mending fences" or however it might be described with Netanyahu, during her first months in office, so as to get Iran squarely back in the cross-hairs of the PNAC wars? Because her "strength", as they call it in the MSM, is in her foreign policy gravitas?

That's what democracy is about.

They can buy a party.
They can buy a thinktank or 10.
They can buy the MSM.
They can game the system with big money and PACs.
They can buy the MSM pundits.

But they can't buy your vote without your consent.
They cannot hold your vote hostage.
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