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Throughout history

people have often made assumptions that what they know exists in nature is all there is in nature. When it can be proven otherwise, they are always proven wrong.

The Catholic Church took it too seriously:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

Giordano Bruno (Italian: ; Latin: Iordanus Brunus Nolanus; 1548 17 February 1600), born Filippo Bruno, was an Italian Dominican friar, philosopher, mathematician, poet, and astrologer. He is remembered for his cosmological theories, which conceptually extended the then novel Copernican model. He proposed that the stars were just distant suns surrounded by their own exoplanets and raised the possibility that these planets could even foster life of their own (a philosophical position known as cosmic pluralism). He also insisted that the universe is in fact infinite and could have no celestial body at its "center".

Beginning in 1593, Bruno was tried for heresy by the Roman Inquisition on charges including denial of several core Catholic doctrines, including eternal damnation, the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, the virginity of Mary, and transubstantiation. Bruno's pantheism was also a matter of grave concern. The Inquisition found him guilty, and he was burned at the stake in Rome's Campo de' Fiori in 1600.

What we know exists in Universe has gotten consistently larger. What we know is possible to exist has always been proven to here in great quantity. But based on the dogma of many, we should ignore silly issues concerning the possibilities of there being more beyond our know existence.

Giordano Bruno had no direct scientific evidence for a huge Universe, but he was using good logic and reasoning. He should have been listened to.

Until recently, a dominant view was that our Universe is all that there is and all of existence started at the Big Bang. That's nonsense that I have always found annoying. Fortunately that view is fading. Just because it's impossible, at least at present, to know what's beyond our Universe doesn't mean it's not reasonable to assume there's more.

I'm making reasonable assumptions concerning time and a greater existence beyond our own. From what I find reasonable assumptions, I have some logical reasoning why our current conscious experience isn't all there is.

I don't claim to have proof nor do I think any harm, such as hell, should come to those that think differently. I find the subject interesting since it touches on the nature of consciousness, which science finds very difficult to understand.

I think there is a good chance that our Universe is infinite in size. All evidence is that it is flat, which means space extends forever.

Nothing here is provable. I make what I consider reasonable points which lead me to think I have the preponderance of evidence. I have taken up the burden of providing evidence. That isn't the same as me making those with different opinions having the burden of proof.

I addressed the teapot above.

You are the one that has a belief, without realizing it, that consciousness is a thing.

Nothing gets transported and there is nothing that requires continuity in time or place. When we die there is nothing that disappears, so in a future conscious existence there is nothing that needs to be transported. I see no reason that the lack of continuity between each appearance of a conscious-self should be a problem.

As I wrote previously, mathematics strongly indicates that I am not experiencing the only appearance of my conscious-self. Also, by my very conscious existence, I prove that my consciousness is naturally possible. In the infinite time in the future, everything that is possible will happen an infinite number of times. Only impossible things can't happen in the infinite future.

Science works because there are repeatable patterns in nature.

That's why we can study physics, chemistry, and any other science.

An alternative would be nature acting by the whims of a god. In that case, a natural (really supernatural) event that has been proven to happen once may not be possible to happen again. That's not the world we live in.

Anything in nature that has been proven to be able happen once has been proven to be able to happen any number of times. A chemical reaction that works once will be repeatable.

A particular conscious-self is a product of nature. Our minds are not magic and there is no evidence for a soul. If whatever brain processes that create my current consciousness are ever duplicated in the future, my consciousness should return. There is no evidence of any separate entity that disappears and dies when my body dies and no records of my current conscious existence are kept anywhere in nature. My consciousness just shuts off, returning me to the exact same state I was in before I was alive.
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