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It wasn't until relatively recently

that going after noncriminal gun ownership was considered "progressive" at all. Sarah Brady was proudly a Reagan Republican, and JFK enjoyed shooting an AR-15. The original Federal "assault weapon" ban (later codified into 18 USC 922(r)) was the brainchild of right-winger William J. Bennett, drug "czar" under Bush the Elder. And most of the U.S. gun control lobby now is funded by Wall Street money from a certain former-Repub billionaire.

The Democratic Leadership Council and the Third Way picked up the gun issue during the Clinton administration as a way to look tough-on-crime to law-and-order types, and ran hard on it, particularly on miscellany like legislating rifle handgrip shape and magazine capacity, which backfired. More recently, the Third Way has tried to steer it in a "War on Terrah" direction. But historically it's been primarily an urban-rural thing, with some lesser facets related to race and especially class.

Sanders is from a very liberal but very pro-gun state, one of the very few states in which you don't even need a license to carry a concealed handgun. Vermont's murder rate is lower than Europe's. So it's hardly a surprise that Sanders did not jump onto the Third Way bandwagon on that issue, IMO.

They can also sell bicycles to people as young as 18,

and riding bicycles kills twice as many people as rifles do. In fact, all shotgun murders and all rifle murders (including by "assault weapons") don't kill as many Americans annually as bicycles do.

Fearmongers gonna fearmonger...

Once again, you show you're after nonviolent gun enthusiasts, NOT violence reduction.

According to the FBI, there were 11,961 murders in the United States in 2014. All rifles *combined* accounted for 248. Two states didn't report their data, so let's increase that to 280 to account for those two. To put that into perspective, ~722 Americans died riding bicycles in 2014.

Of the ~280 murders involving any type of rifle, let's say as many as half involved modern-looking rifles that the prohibitionists want to outlaw. That's ~140 murders in the entire nation..

Out of that ~140, the vast majority are likely from American-made rifles, rather than imports, since American-made rifles account for the bulk of the U.S. rifle market, especially semiautos. But let's say that as many as 25% are imports. That's about 35 murders annually in the entire nation by imported modern-looking semiauto rifles, out of 11,961.

Stop pretending you care about violence. It's the tens of millions of nonviolent, noncriminal owners and enthusiasts that you hate, as demonstrated by your legislative priorities.

Ummmm, aren't those the people you keep saying should have a monopoly of force?

Which is it?

BTW, for an ordinary citizen to possess those machineguns would have been a 10-year Federal felony. Ditto for the concussion grenades, if I read the law right.

They also nixed permits from states that have *stricter* requirements than VA, such as NC.

The net effect of that is to force those carry license holders to open carry while visiting Virginia, which is something I prefer not to do and do not like to be forced to in order to stay legal. Virginia has much less restrictive laws on open carry than NC does.

Also unlike NC, Virginia allows you to keep a gun in your car's glove compartment or console without a carry license, which helps if you're just passing through the state.

Except you can't even own many guns that are popular in mainland Europe, Canada, and even the UK.

You have very little gun freedom left in Australia, and the prohibitionists are now moving to steal what little you have left (such as the recent push to ban 1860's-style lever-actions). No thanks.

Depends on whether the prohibitionists keep pushing for "assault weapon" and magazine bans.

If the ban talk keeps escalating, and ever-more ridiculous proposals keep getting introduced in state legislatures, then gun sales will keep going up and up.

If bans were taken off the table, I think you'd see some slowdown in sales of guns and more sales of optics, other accessories, and target ammo.

Not with the rest of us, either.

I think you've put your finger on the misunderstanding that cost Gore his home state in '00 and Kerry so many blue-collar Dems in '04, and that is that most gun owners Gen-X and younger don't own the same styles of guns that were/are popular with the Baby Boomer generation. So tailoring legislation around straight-stocked rifles, revolvers, and large-caliber single-stack pistols hasn't made sense for 40+ years now; by and large, that's not what we own. I don't expect you necessarily to approve of our choices, but it's good to at least understand the scope of what you're advocating. FWIW, I'm a Gen-X gunnie and casual USPSA competitor,

What Gore/Kerry didn't understand is that banning rifle handgrips that stick out, when the most popular rifles in U.S. homes have handgrips that stick out, is a slap in the face to mainstream rifle owners, not just to fringe types who play dress-up on the weekends. Given that handgrip shape has nothing to do with rifle lethality, and rifles are the least misused of all weapons (all rifles put together kill fewer Americans annually than bicycles), the *only* thing such bans do is harass lawful owners.

Likewise, banning magazines over 10 rounds has much broader impact than you think, given that 15+ round rifle magazines have been mainstream since the 1860s, and most smallish-caliber carbines and full-sized 9mm pistols have used such magazines since the 1930's. Banning anything over 10 rounds would affect 50+ million owners and probably a third of a billion magazines; it's not a fringe thing.

If the NRA membership is 5 million,

then there are about five times as many "assault weapon" owners as there are NRA members, two or three times as many carry license holders as NRA members, and twelve or fifteen times as many owners of over-10-round magazines as there are NRA members.

If the NRA disappeared tomorrow, the backlash against attempts to outlaw the most popular guns and magazines in U.S. homes would not abate; it would just find a different outlet. My money would be on the Second Amendment Foundation at the national level, though most pro-gun advocacy is through state-level organizations (like Grassroots North Carolina in my state, or the Virginia Citizens' Defense League).

Because we don't line babies' cribs with lead bullets,

nor do we cover our baseboards with them or let toddlers teethe on them. If you leave bullets where an infant or toddler could eat them, you will probably find yourself in some trouble at the ER.

Any chance that lead ammo use might be reduced in favor of alternatives was eliminated when the gun control lobby banned the best alternatives to lead as "armor piercing". You can't have it both ways.
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