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Wow, what excellent advice for systemic pesticides! /sarcasm

Wow, what excellent advice for systemic pesticides! You're all, like, science-y and expert-y. Phooey on those anti-GMO Luddites!



Hey jeff47, do you even know what 'systemic' means? Systemics travel through the plant. Washing produce does NOTHING to remove systemics. So when squash seed is treated with Admire (imidacloprid - a systemic) or wheat is dried-down using RoundUp (glyphosate - a systemic) or GMO corn & soy are grown under continuous spraying of RoundUp (glyphosate - again, a *&%$*#* systemic), these chemicals are INSIDE of the vegetable or grain. Those Admire-treated squash blossoms have toxic pollen that kills bees. But the squash is surely safe for us because corpo-agri-business says so... (/sarcasm again).

Nice RW trope to blame the individual consumer and their washing habits, btw. Do you always blame the end-user who unwittingly buys and suffers from harmful corporate products masquerading as essential inputs for life itself?

Here's a radical idea: why don't we focus on growing food that, y'know, nourishes us instead of poisoning us if not treated like hazardous waste first? And then maybe the ongoing extinctions of many bees and birds and bats and frogs and Monarch butterflies might just slow down a mite.

No, no, that would be too much trouble. Fuck you, bees. And all you bats? Fuck off and die - Monsanto has a quarterly earnings target to meet. Fuck you too, frogs. I would say fuck you to a Monarch personally, but I can't find one anymore. (Well, sarcasm except not being able to find any Monarchs - I've left every Milkweed plant I can in my garden, but no Monarch caterpillars yet.)

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Must suck for you if all the 'grown-ups' nearby are this clueless.

So first you try to equate conventional breeding with GMO's (and you fail).

Now, you want to equate random mutation with GMO's. You fail again. When a mutation occurs in nature, it happens in an ecological context. Possible mutations are relatively constrained, being determined by what genes are there to begin with. The genome of the mutating organism must continue to function as a whole after the mutation, or the organism's existence will be short. Human genetic engineering is loosed from these ecological constraints. Instead of the logic of the ecosystem, the logic of industry is in play. All genes from any Kingdom, any ecology, and any location are treated as commodified inputs. No concern is 'wasted' on what other genes might be disrupted as inputs are sliced into random locations along the chromosome.

Again, quit it with the false equivalence, 'Dr.'

It must suck for you if all the 'grown-ups' nearby are this clueless. But I'll reserve my serious compassion for those 'grown-ups' who have to listen to your simplistic drivel and snarky tripe in-person.

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Seralini Redux: Roundup-Ready GMO Maize Causes Serious Health Damage

A highly controversial paper by Prof Gilles-Eric Séralini and colleagues has been republished after a stringent peer review process.

The chronic toxicity study examines the health impacts on rats of eating a commercialized genetically modified (GM) maize, Monsanto’s NK603 glyphosate-based herbicide Roundup.

The original study, published in Food and Chemical Toxicology (FCT) in September 2012, found severe liver and kidney damage and hormonal disturbances in rats fed the GM maize and low levels of Roundup that are below those permitted in drinking water in the EU.

However it was retracted by the editor-in-chief of the Journal in November 2013 after asustained campaign of criticism and defamation by pro-GMO scientists.


The rest of the article goes on to say that a third round of peer review confirmed the Seralini conclusions that RoundUp and GMO corn did contribute to higher rates of tumors, above and beyond genetic predispositions in the rats and other factors.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/25/roundup-ready-gmo-maize-causes-serious-health-damage/#.U6rwMqHgziU.facebook

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I find the article's reasoning to be weak, and its prescriptions antithetical to forward movement.

I read the article in-full, and am not impressed. Ta-Nehisi Coates plays fast and loose with time scales, conflating German reparations in the decade following WW2 (just one example of this among many) with a call for American reparations more than a century and a half after slavery ended.

Also, Ta-Nehisi Coates writes as if the oppression of African Americans was the only oppression perpetrated by the US government during the 19th, 20th, & 21st Centuries. But of course that was not the case. While slavery was indeed a "peculiar institution" and it and institutionalized racism are particularly horrible ones at that, during the post-emancipation years of the 19th, 20th, & 21st Centuries, American oligarchs exploited the poor and vulnerable of all races as much as they could. Often, the oligarchs have gotten their way by playing poor whites against blacks, blacks against Jews, natives against immigrants, absolutely everybody they could against unions, etc., etc.

Worst of all, Ta-Nehisi Coates seems willfully blind to the destruction of 99% solidarity that a call for reparations will bring about. You want to see white union members, Hmong immigrant communities, Latino activists, and many other essential allies in the 99% distance themselves from the African American community? A call for reparations will do that. Even Ta-Nehisi Coates tacitly acknowledges this when he mentions how the ACA Medicare expansion has been tarred by haters such as Limbaugh as a special favor to the blacks. If a colorblind, mildly-progressive program such as that can be denigrated as such, imagine the fury that an actual reparations program would engender. Meanwhile, too many potential allies in solidarity will abandon a movement that focuses on reparations towards one race, for one subset of exploitation and oppression. At this point in time, we need solidarity and ideas that build common cause, not fractional identity politics.

There are many other ways that we could 'lift all boats.' Racism is a real issue in America, and deserves to be confronted head-on as a part of any reform and progress. But there is a big difference between necessary anti-racist actions and the needless kicking of multiple hornets' nests and alienation of essential allies at once.

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It OUGHT to be entirely legal.

It OUGHT to be entirely legal. After plenty of readings of the US Constitution, I still can't find a grant of power to the state allowing it to ban plants.

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Just interpreting and applying the Bill of Rights as written would restore so much.

Just interpreting and applying the Bill of Rights as written would restore so much. If we really, really upheld the simple and straightforward applications of fundamental freedoms outlined by the founders, combined with the greater equality gained in the ensuing centuries via the enfranchisement of women, the Fourteenth Amendment, and now anti-discrimination policies regarding sexuality, we could have a truly wonderful, free, and relatively egalitarian country.

k&r,

-app

10 Crazy Things Pesticides Are Doing to Your Body

Pesticides are designed to kill, although the mode of action they use to put the stranglehold on pests varies. Whether it's nerve gas–like neurological disruption, the unbalancing of key hormones, or the stunting of a plant's ability to absorb life-sustaining trace minerals from the soil, none of the chemical interventions seems all that appetizing, especially considering that chemical residues routinely wind up on and even inside of the food we eat everyday. Pesticides are also blamed for diminishing mineral levels in foods.


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#1: Food Allergies. In one of the strangest links to pesticides to date, researchers from Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Montefiore Medical Center in New York City found an association between food allergies and the levels of a pesticide breakdown product in urine. People with high levels of dichlorophenol, a breakdown product of the herbicide 2,4-D and of chlorine used to disinfect tap water, were more likely to suffer allergies to milk, eggs, seafood, and peanuts. It's not clear what could be happening, says Elina Jerschow, MD, MSc, lead author of the study, but she says it may have something to do with the "hygiene hypothesis." Dichlorophenol acts like an antimicrobial and could interfere with healthy bacterial levels in the gut, which, in turn, could upset the body's natural immune reactions to certain allergens in food.
Prevent it: Go GMO free. The USDA is about to approve a genetically modified (GMO) corn resistant to 2,4-D, one of the main sources of dichlorophenol in our food supply. If approved, the nonprofit Center for Food Safety estimates that the use of 2,4-D would quadruple, exposing millions more people to potentially food-allergy-inducing pesticide by-products. Buy certified-organic foods and download the True Food Shoppers Guide to avoid nonorganic foods that might contain GMOs.


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#8: Infertility. Pesticides spell trouble in the baby-making department, thanks to their bad habit of not staying put. For instance, atrazine, a common chemical weed killer used heavily in the Midwest, on Southern sugar cane farms, and on golf courses, has been detected in tap water. Doctors and scientists point to published evidence tying atrazine to increased miscarriage and infertility rates. Other pesticides cause a plunge in male testosterone levels. A 2006 study found chlorpyrifos, a chemical used in nonorganic apple and sweet pepper farming, and carbaryl, a go-to pesticide in strawberry fields and peach orchards, caused abnormally low testosterone levels.
Prevent it: Avoid the worst summer fruit, the kinds most likely to be laced with toxic pesticides. Instead, choose organic grapes, strawberries, and imported plums.


Source / rest of article:
http://www.rodalenews.com/agrochemicals?cid=social_20140519_24250984&cm_mmc=Facebook-_-Rodale-_-Health-_-TheNextTimeSomeoneTellsYouOrganicDoesNotMatterShowThemThis

Thanks.

Thanks. I had read the thread back when it was current, remembered its author, and therefore searched Pitt's Journal on the hunch I'd find it there. I added the recs tally on-edit, after I visited the link in curiosity, but did not think to link to the post itself.

Anyway, I did not participate in that Sterling thread due to the fact that I already knew full-well what the First Amendment says. I actually do think that a corporation (such as the NBA), which is chartered by a state (probably Delaware, but I'm too lazy right now to look it up) has some obligation to respect freedom of speech. Otherwise, you have corporations growing more powerful than states, and eclipsing Constitutional rights in both the private and public spheres (sound familiar?).

On the other hand, these ardent gunners that the MJ article highlights are just individuals. Are they acting stupidly and hatefully? Yes. Are they doing the Second Amendment any favors via their actions? No. Nonetheless, they are each staying well-shy of what Will Pitt states he might do in the face of speech he finds highly disagreeable.

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So for one instance of spitting, and one ambush by water gun, all firearm owners are at fault?

So for one alleged instance of spitting, and one ambush by water gun, all firearm owners are at fault? I haven't spit on anyone since elementary school, I never intend to do so again, and I think that the night time water gun ambush was a reprehensible action that could have resulted in one or more people being killed.

I also think that setting policy by anecdote is a bad idea. The gun control movement seems very attached to this very bad idea.

Of course, there are those people out there who do think that spitting, and even physical violence, is an appropriate response to others' speech. Let's examine this type of ignorant machismo:

Memo to every gomer out there who got fucked over by their high school's failure to teach Civics and never bothered to figure this out on your own:

HEY DICKHEAD.

The First Amendment protects your freedom of speech from one (1) thing: GOVERNMENTAL INTERFERENCE with you speaking your mind.

If you go into a bar and bellow NI*GER NI*GER NI*GER FUCKING NI*GER and get your ass handed to you for it, that's not a Free Speech 1st Amendment issue, you fucking useless hopeless dumbfuck dickwad puddle of tepid Fail, because the bar is NOT THE GOVERNMENT. That's the marketplace working it out.

(snip)

Your right to free speech ends exactly where I can fuck you up for life in public for being a dumbass.

I am not the government, either. Read a book, you clown car.


Who is this violence-prone meathead who would substitute ass-kicking for rational debate? Oh, it's William Rivers Pitt, taken straight from his journal (with the bolded emphasis added).

How doth the shoe fit in this case, Will?

By the way, the OP by Will Pitt from which I copied this quote garnered 238 recs here at DU.

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Composting or fallow periods can make animal manures safer.

Composting or fallow periods can make animal manures safer. Liquid slurries of course would need a lot of dry matter bulking agent (wood chips, etc.) in order to successfully compost. A generally more economical alternative would be to apply the slurry to the field, then grow a cover crop for a few months, then kill the cover crop via herbicides (if the grower is non-organic), mowing, or tillage, then grow produce in the cover crop residue and captured fertility. Cornell studies done on manure borne pathogens indicate that a 120 day period between manure application and a food crop harvest is a reasonable mitigation practice:

http://www.gaps.cornell.edu/documents/edumat/FApdfs/AssessmentSections/09-Manure-Use.pdf

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