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Who is the female singer solist in this Z. Marley One Love video?

Anyone? Anyone?

I once gave police the benefit of the doubt when they shot people.

I once gave police the benefit of the doubt when they shot people. Regardless of race if a weapon was found at the scene it was almost automatic for me to assume the worst of the shot person. Unless there was evidence that it was dropped by the police, it was good enough evidence for me.

That time has passed.

If police said the person "made a furtive movement", I gave them the benefit of the doubt, too. How was I to know the truth?

That time has passed.

I also gave police the benefit of the doubt regarding the higher rate of police shootings of POC versus white people. It was the Walter Scott shooting where a police officer shot Scott 8 times in the back as he ran away and then appeared to nonchalantly plant evidence that he had a piece of the cops taser. It was cold-blooded murder. I realized that if that could happen, then all the accusations could be true. I needed to see it with my own eyes to believe. I should have believed my fellow POC citizens, but I didn't.

That time has passed.

The recent shootings of Philandro Castille and Alton Sterling have broke through my denial/benefit of the doubt some more. Clearly, these officers saw black men whom thought were carrying firearms (and they were right) and that was enough to generate enough fear to shoot them even though neither poses a lethal threat. Sadly, I needed to see it with my own eyes to believe. I should have believed my fellow POC citizens, but I didn't. We haven't heard from the explanation from the police, but whatever the explanation is they cannot claim they correctly saw a weapon/gun in their hands. Even if is true that Sterling was a low-level criminal who illegally carried a firearm and had recently brandished it while threatening a homeless person, but he did not have that gun in his hand when when the police shouted he has a gun and the police shot him. He was not a lethal threat and I will give the police the benefit of the doubt.

That time has passed.

I'm more convinced then ever that its time to stop giving the benefit of the doubt for police officers. I'm convinced that giving police the benefit of the doubt has led police to take less risk, shoot quicker, and shoot more -- especially when it involves POC.

I'm not a legal scholar but I wonder if its time to create laws where law enforcement is guilty of voluntary manslaughter if there is no weapon in the hands of the person shot by police. And if there is an object that a reasonable person might think is a weapon, but isn't, then they are automatically guilty of involuntary manslaughter. The specifics of the case would dictate punishment. Maybe involuntary and voluntary manslaughter are not the right terms/laws and new terms/laws might be needed where law enforcement shoots and kills someone when they were not in grave danger. I no longer trust the police, other law enforcement, justice departments, prosecutors, judges, and juries to decide what a reasonable person or cop would do in the situations they describe especially when it is a POC who is shot.

I can't find it on the internet, but at one point Maine had a target misidentification law for hunters where if they shot someone they could not claim they thought it was an animal because the evidence of the shot person was proof enough that they did not identify the target correctly and were guilty of a crime. It didn't matter what the person was wearing. It seemed logical and reasonable to me. If you shoot, you must be sure of what you are shooting it. Its a simple logic that should be applied to police.

The time has come to take drastic measures to address just this tip of the iceberg of police brutality that impacts POC disproportionately. There are lot more brutality and racism to address, but this is a necessary start. This is the low hanging fruit, so to speak.

Police won't like it. I get it, their lives are on the line. But citizens' lives are on the line, too. We must hold police to a higher standard.

eta: I'd even be willing to entertain the idea of extra penalties for shooting POC by cops in order to try to close the gap. I do believe there are extra penalties for killing a cop.

Roll Call: Compromise Gun Proposal Gains Bipartisan Support, Raises White House Concerns

This could work. It has an appeals process like Cronyn's amendment, but more time for authorities to make their case.


After the Senate's failure to adopt gun control legislation , Sen. Susan Collins and a bipartisan coalition Tuesday announced a compromise proposal to bar some terror suspects from buying guns.

But the White House and Justice Department are holding off on backing the measure until they study its provisions. And one leading Democrat, New York Sen. Charles E. Schumer, said there are several key flaws that would need to be fixed before the proposal moves forward.

CNN's Don Lemon's interview with Shane Tomlinson's parents is heartbreaking.

Shane Tomlinson was one of the murder victims in Orlando.

Many emotional things were said, but I shuttered when she said she worried she would t be able to find a church for a funeral service because he was gay.

And then in a sweet mother's voice she said, "he so loved the lord".

I wish Swamp Rat were still around making his political posters.

I can only imagine what he would do with Trump and the GOP minions. Is he still out there doing political art? Perhaps a different style?

Question about Spousal Privilege Re: Mateen's wife

I thought spouse's could not be compelled to testify against their spouses even if the communication involved illegal behavior. And I thought this extended to reporting criminal behavior. Looks like I was wrong.

Sources: Grand jury to investigate Orlando shooter's widow

(CNN)Federal investigators digging for clues in the Orlando nightclub massacre are zeroing in on Noor Salman, the widow of gunman Omar Mateen.

What did Salman know of his plans and what might she have done to stop him? Authorities have been trying to pin her down after she apparently gave conflicting statements about what she knew of his intentions in the hours before the attack.

A U.S. attorney plans to bring evidence before a federal grand jury to determine whether charges will be brought, according to two law enforcement officials.

Gun sales surge among gays, lesbians after Orlando shooting

I'm not sure how this data is being collected or tracked (more like anecdotes), but the 233% increase in Pink Pistols membership is quantifiable.


DENVER -- Gun sales are surging in the wake of Sunday’s deadly mass shooting in Orlando, Fla. The tragedy is generating new debate over gun control reform and the right to bear arms. Gun shops typically see a spike in customers after mass shootings. But this time, many are seeing shoppers they’ve never really seen before: More gays and lesbians.


However, what’s different this time around is the clientele. Mike Smith, a firearms instructor in Colorado Springs, is one of many closely tracking the sudden surge in gays and lesbians buying weapons.

“I think right now because of what happened, people are looking for answers,” he said. “You walk into a gun shop and you expect to see people, frankly, who look like me. I think we forget we’re a country of all people, not just people who fit that predetermined mold.”

The Pink Pistols is a national gun club for gays and lesbians. It saw its membership soar from about 1,500 members on Saturday to 3,500 on Monday.

Thank you, Bernie.

Thank you to Melanie, the little folkie who sang this mic drop song at Woodstock. You found the birthday in the sun, too. Its a great song sung with great attitude.

I'm the one
I found the birthday of the sun
But all things change
And I think it's the birthday of the rain
If I never said goodbye
To all that I've known
I would never be alone
But still I will not cry, no
I'm not finished yet
So wipe the smirk from your eyes
Because if I were to hang my head
I'd miss all the rainbows
And I'd drown in raindrops instead.
But you got to know I'm the one
I found the birthday of the sun
And all, all things change
And I'm sure it's the birthday of the rain.
If I never said goodbye
To all that I've known
I would never be alone
But still I'm gonna win
I'm not finished yet, world
So wipe the smirk from your chin
Because if I were to hang my head
I'd miss all the rainbows
And I'd drown in raindrops instead
But you gotta know I'm the one
And I found the birthday of the sun
And all things change they don't stay the same
And now I'm sure it's the birthday of the rain
And all things change
Happy Birthday to the rain

Do the admins have alternative accounts for posting anonymously?

I've always wondered if you three have or had alternative accounts for posting topics anonymously. I don't mean in the sock puppet sort of way. I could see you three having a desire to participate without the baggage of being an owner or admin.

I know I've see Skinner post, but still I wondered.

Just received an email request from Bernie to donate to him and Tim Canova.

Email excerpt:

My response:

eta: Here is a link to Tim Canova's campaign site with a donation link if you wish to donate directly.

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