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My new religion: Republicans are demons, and my religion forbids me

to associate with them.

In Indiana, I can now discriminate against them at will, and be protected by law

Republicans Not Served In This Establishment

Text of Indiana's Legalization of Discrimination Against LGBT Law

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Sec. 7. As used in this chapter, "person" includes the following: (1) An individual. (2) An organization, a religious society, a church, a body of communicants, or a group organized and operated primarily for religious purposes. (3) A partnership, a limited liability company, a corporation, a company, a firm, a society, a joint-stock company, an unincorporated association, or another entity that: (A) may sue and be sued; and (B) exercises practices that are compelled or limited by a system of religious belief held by: (i) an individual; or (ii) the individuals; who have control and substantial ownership of the entity, regardless of whether the entity is organized and operated for profit or nonprofit purposes.

Sec. 8. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b), a governmental entity may not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion, even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability. (b) A governmental entity may substantially burden a person's exercise of religion only if the governmental entity demonstrates that application of the burden to the person: (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.

Sec. 9. A person whose exercise of religion has been substantially burdened, or is likely to be substantially burdened, by a violation of this chapter may assert the violation or impending violation as a claim or defense in a judicial or administrative proceeding, regardless of whether the state or any other governmental entity is a party to the proceeding. If the relevant governmental entity is not a party to the proceeding, the governmental entity has an unconditional right to intervene in order to respond to the person's invocation of this chapter.

Sec. 10. (a) If a court or other tribunal in which a violation of this chapter is asserted in conformity with section 9 of this chapter determines that: (1) the person's exercise of religion has been substantially burdened, or is likely to be substantially burdened; and (2) the governmental entity imposing the burden has not demonstrated that application of the burden to the person: (A) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (B) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest; the court or other tribunal shall allow a defense against any party and shall grant appropriate relief against the governmental entity. (b) Relief against the governmental entity may include any of the following: (1) Declaratory relief or an injunction or mandate that prevents, restrains, corrects, or abates the violation of this chapter. (2) Compensatory damages. (c) In the appropriate case,the court or other tribunal also may award all or part of the costs of litigation, including reasonable attorney's fees, to a person that prevails against the governmental entity under this chapter.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/27/text-indianas-religious-freedom-law/70539772/

Anyone who claims this bill is not designed to make it legal for christofascists to discriminate against LGBT with impunity is a liar.

All the laws in these different states can differ substantially from each other.

The Indiana law is the broadest in scope and yet vague enough to be subject to interpretation and ongoing legal litigation, and is, to date, the most likely of these hate laws to be used as a successful legal protection for christofascists and other RWers a who discriminate against LGBT.

What's to discuss on this issue? Christofascists passed a law that enables

them to discriminate against LGBT at will. There is no other reason for this law.

Nobody is calling for blood. Nobody is attacking liberals in Indiana, I have not seen a single incidence of any DUer attacking liberals in Indiana during recent DU discussions of this law

If you have, please provide a link.

I live in Arizona. I like it when liberals call out the RW lunatics in my state. I never feel like they are directing their criticism or hostility at me. The state government in Arizona is wacko. The state government in Indiana is wacko. It's just simply true.

There may be a very few people who despise Christians here. Mostly, people here despise RW christofascists who use their religion as a justification for hating and oppressing others. I want to live and let live, and do no harm. Christofascists want to be able to prevent me from doing that. They want to make it so that they can dictate what I can or cannot do because I'm LGBT. They have no right to do that, even though they ignorantly believe that they have the God given right to do so.

Here's the bottom line: I don't care what you believe. Good for you, whatever it is. I believe in Love. But if you and/or your religion attempt to restrict the rights of others because of your religious beliefs, you fully deserve immediate, vehement, aggressive condemnation and action to contain your fascist undemocratic tendencies at every level.

If you feel that there are people who support this law, who can be "reached" on this issue, then by all means, please reach them. Good luck with that.

But if you think that I'm going to reach them by being nicey nice with the very same people who are pushing "kill the gays" petitions, and legalized discrimination against LGBT, then you are living in a dream world that is very far from my real world. You can sit back comfortably observing the situation, lalala, no one is actively quashing your rights. We're fighting for our rights, against ignorant, RW, unreasonable people who believe that God sanctions and dictates their superiority over us.

They will not listen to reason. Just like they did not listen to the Democrats who tried to stop them from passing the hate bill before we got to this point. And then they lie about it, and tell us it's not a hate bill. These people cannot be trusted, they know as much about Christ as Attila the Hun, maybe even less.

What is causing them to reconsider now? Immediate, aggressive action and outrage on the part of the good people of this country, and their own abject horror that they may actually lose revenue because they got caught in their blatant perfidy.

Total clarification of the "we hate the gays" law, for Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana:

"Democrats in the General Assembly tried several times to add language to the measure that would have provided explicit protections from discrimination based on sexual orientation, but those efforts were rebuffed."

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/25/gov-mike-pence-sign-religious-freedom-bill-thursday/70448858/

Now we get to be entertained by watching you try to lie your way out of this, guvna.

Looks like your best hope now is

"Golly gee, I didn't even know!"

I tell them thanks, but that they are wasting their time, because I'm already in heaven.

Then I suggest that it would be far more useful for them to pray for themselves, and that I hope that someday they will join me in heaven.

Their primary reason for them adopting christofascist belief systems is so that they can feel like they are better than everyone else. God sanctions their beliefs, as proven by the Bible, which the overwhelming majority of them are not even capable of understanding.

Their fear based belief system is a safe place for them, because it is a place they know is right, because it is sanctioned by God - the Bible tells them so. Consequently, they become more and more ignorant with each passing day, as most or all new information is dismissed, because they already know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Religious fanatics are dangerous people, and history makes this very clear.

How many more millions of dollars will the christofascists cost the American people

in their disgusting special interest religious crusade to unconstitutionally legislate their hatred for LGBT persons?

They are miserable and hopeless creatures, and willingly embracing hate has killed their hearts,

minds, and spirits.

Their existence is the dark hell of walking dead on earth, and all across America right now, these christofascist zombies are celebrating, and feeding on the great sadness they have inflicted on the living.

Because they are already dead, they can't really be blamed, because they have no conscience, and don't know what they do.

The humane thing we the living can do is to pass laws that will keep the vampires under control, in order to minimize the damage they do to all life.

I think the most desructive thing Reagan did was to dismantle our public education system,

and put in place an education system that deliberately "dumbed down" the general populace to the point where the incorrect spellings in the image in your OP are commonplace.

The sheep like stupidity and fawning obeisance to privatized corporate government exhibited by ignorant conservatives is the evidence of Reagan's greatest and deadliest success.
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]"experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny; and it is believed that the most effectual means of preventing this would be, to illuminate, as far as practicable, the minds of the people at large,...

I think by far the most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of knowlege among the people. no other sure foundation can be devised for the preservation of freedom, and happiness...

preach, my dear Sir, a crusade against ignorance; establish & improve the law for educating the common people.

Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government.

~Thomas Jefferson

No matter which of the only two parties we can vote for that has

a chance of winning is put into office, Third Way wins. If republicans win, Third Way moves closer to, or maybe even gets, the entitlement (their word, not mine) cuts they promote. They get the war(s) they want. If corporatists Democrats win, they maintain the status quo of the illusion of a national democracy, the status quo of oligarchy, and the status quo of the polarization of wealth. etc. etc.

(Please don't make me get the links where the Third Way promotes all their nasty bullshit, you know they are there, and you must know I have found them before).

Unlike the rest of us, who generally won't profit much, if at all, economically speaking, like the Third Way and Republicans do when a corporatist of either party is elected. The ever increasing polarization of wealth will continue unimpeded no matter which corporatist candidate, "Democrat" or Republican is elected.

If a corporatist Democrat is elected, we will have some social and environmental gains. If a corporatist republican is elected, the world totally goes totally to hell for everyone but the upper classes. Meanwhile, no matter what, the country keeps moving to the right, to the delight of the Third Way, the republicans, and the oligarchs.

Easy-peasy.

Being a member of several minority groups, I have no other sane option, I have to vote for the Democratic nominee, or risk serious hazard to my liberty and health, and the liberty and health of my family and friends. The PTB know that Democrats and left independents, etc have little choice: Either we vote for the Democratic candidate that they choose for us, or we get sociopathic republicans running our country.

I want something more than a Democratic candidate who is chosen for me, something more than a Democrat whose primary function is to maintain and increase the power of corporations and oligarchs to control me and ensure that democracy remains nothing but an illusion. I want the chance to vote for a Democratic candidate who understands what necessary changes must be made, and who will sincerely work to solve the problems that prevent democracy, equality, and justice for everyone, who will work for the people, and not primarily for the oligarchs and their corporations.

And the innate ability to quickly and easily manipulate vote counts with electronic voting machines can prevent those things from ever happening, nip them right in the bud during the nomination process, if the media fails to prevent it in the first line of defense. Electronic voting machine vote manipulation is a "no muss, no fuss" fail safe mechanism by which corporations/oligarchs can prevent democracy, equality, and justice from ever occurring on a national scale in the United States.

So we need to kill these machines, forever, ASAP.

The global power of the financial centers is so great, that they can afford not to worry about the political tendency of those who hold power in a nation, if the economic program (in other words, the role that nation has in the global economic megaprogram) remains unaltered. The financial disciplines impose themselves upon the different colors of the world political spectrum in regards to the government of any nation. he great world power can tolerate a leftist government in any part of the world, as long as the government does not take measures that go against the needs of the world financial centers. But in no way will it tolerate that an alternative economic, political and social organization consolidate. For the megapolitics, the national politics are dwarfed and submit to the dictates of the financial centers. It will be this way until the dwarfs rebel . .

http://struggle.ws/mexico/ezln/1997/jigsaw.html
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