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Holy cow!! This is impossible!!

I've been watching the election returns on the guardian website. All of the mail-in votes are already recorded and they are all that are showing in the counties. In EVERY county (except for about 5 up in the north where apparently no one mailed in or it's not registered yet) the mail-in vote has gone to Hillary 63% to 37%. EVERY F***ing COUNTY!!! How is that possible???? A large percentage of the vote in each county appears to be by mail-in ballot. Didn't that same thing happen in AZ?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/jun/07/live-primary-results-new-jersey-california

I hope everyone understands that these results tonight cannot possibly be real. **UPDATE**

After this election, I will no longer vote. I will no longer participate. I realize now that it doesn't matter. Democracy is dead.

There is no way that Hillary could have won Montana and South Dakota. Even her own team is shocked by those results.

Now she is winning CA with 62%. That is impossible. And we all know it.

***UPDATE*** CNN has announced she just won the pledged delegate vote. That's what this was all about. Now it CANNOT be contested. I'm done.



Bernie!



Please, kick and rec all the Bernie posts and post your own!!!

Love this idea!!

It is time for Bernie to leave the democratic party. Over and over, the Democrats said it

- you are not a democrat.

What are you gonna do about that?

BTW, yes, I am suggesting what cannot be suggested here.

PLEASE TAKE THIS POLL!!!

I am just curious where people stand right now in this election. Granted, feelings and opinions can change later. I'm sure many Bernie supporters may feel right now like they cannot vote for Clinton, but may change their mind later. This is just a momentary snapshot. In case the poll looks familiar, I had attached it to an earlier post, but I'd rather do this without my own commentary. If you are uncomfortable with taking the poll, then just ignore it. Comments are welcome!
Thanks!

Skinner, PLEASE get a grip on your moderators.

This heartfelt post was locked for the following reason:

Disruptive Meta Discussion: Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or it's members, etc ....are not permitted.


Can you please explain to me where I complained about DU or its members? I am speaking about my own feelings. I am searching for where I belong. I think it was unfairly blocked.

Many Bernie supporters feel that our posts are being locked for frivolous reasons, while truly taunting posts from the Hillary crowd are allowed to stand. I've never seen anything like this on DU. Please do something!

I alerted on a post that I believe was written by an anti-Bernie troll.

There was no response. No jury. Nothing. I thought may I made a mistake with the alert and hit cancel rather than submit by mistake, so I alerted again. Still, no response. No jury. Nothin'.

I have posted about it in ATA, but it could take days to get a response there.

In addition to that, I posted a very heartfelt post about whether or not I will stay at DU after the primary. It was locked for being "disruptive" and "complaining about DU members". Read it. Form your own opinion. I see nothing disruptive or accusatory toward any DU person or Hillary.

What the hell is going on around here???

Where will I go? - THIS POST WAS LOCKED IN GD:P

What the hell has happened to this place? This post, that I posted in GDP last night, got locked. WHY??? Check out the link. It had a poll. Maybe they didn't like the results of my poll. I'm stunned. I can't believe this post got locked.

Where will I go?

I have been with DU since the stolen election of 2004. I will probably leave with the stolen primary of 2016.

The purged voters, the changed party affiliations, the electronic machines, Bill's electioneering at the polls, the closed polling places, the DNC with an agenda, the computer firewall, the biased media, the exit polls that are "off" time and time again - always in Hillary's favor...yet, so few Hillary supporters show any concern or sympathy or compassion for these "anomalies". I do not fault Hillary for these things. She has a campaign to run, but SOMEBODY is rigging this election, and we all know it.

As "THE DATE" of the big DU change keeps getting thrown into our faces, and super delegates are counted with pledged before they've voted (even here at DU), and the media arrogantly claims they will call Hillary the winner by 5:00pm on Tuesday, I am compelled to ask -- where will I go?

Recently, I have posted information on why I DON'T want Hillary, why I think the democratic party should not support Hillary, but I have never personally attacked a Hillary supporter nor mocked them. During this entire process, I have not once put anyone on ignore, because I do not want to live in a vacuum - people disagree, sometimes vehemently. Nevertheless, I have been shocked by the kind of attacks I have received from the other side. The level of anger, the amount of mockery, combined with the constant spiking of the ball during blatant election "shenanigans" -- it has been all too much for me.

I do not know if I can vote for Hillary in the general election anymore. Not because of DU - although the most ardent Hillary supporters here are actually hurting her chances more than they are helping - but because of myriad reasons that I need not repeat in this post; we all know them. Unfortunately, here at DU, when I say I cannot vote for Hillary, I am accused of supporting Trump. I am told that I cannot allow a Trump presidency to occur, therefore I must vote for Hillary. In what world does one deduce from my non-vote (or my possible write-in of Bernie) that I am supporting Trump? If I cannot bring myself to vote for her in good conscience, then that is not MY fault if she loses. It is the establishment that has created a situation where that can happen. THEY have promoted a flawed candidate, for I, alone, am simply not that important. If she loses, then the masses feel as I do, and we all collectively cannot bring ourselves to support Hillary. The masses can never be blamed for the outcome, for in a democracy, they matter most. When a group in power ignores those masses, it could be to their peril, as history has shown us many times.

Traditionally in an election, independent voters are the ones a candidate wants in order to win. Somehow, in this democratic primary, they are toxic, they are the problem, they should not be allowed to play ball with the democrats during their game. Everyone knows, it is the independents who decide elections in this country, yet I am watching as the democrats are telling them all to basically fuck off. That doesn't bode well for the democrats. Not at all.

I do not know if I will stay at DU, and I feel very sad about this revelation. This has been my favorite place to visit on the internet every day since 2004. I tried to stick with Dailykos after kos made his change. I tried to see the sensibility of it. Instead, what I saw was a purging of great posters and an ever-increasing vapid echo chamber. At the point kos began posting disgusting false diaries about Bernie being racist and supporting violence, I could no longer participate. I am not alone. It's not unusual to see a post with 90 recommends near the top of the recommended list. I remember when that number would be near a thousand. Will DU also descend into such a sad shell of its former self?

Where will I go?

I have things to do in my own life. Goals to achieve. I hope I will immerse myself in these quests of self-actualization. Maybe over time I will find my way back to DU. I do not know.

As for alternative websites, jackpineradicals is growing, but it, too, is another echo-chamber. Of course, it is an echo chamber for my guy, but I never wanted an echo chamber. I wanted fair.

I guess that's the bottom line of this meandering post. I have been searching for fairness and wisdom. It's in short order these days.

Where will I go?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512135265

Where will I go?

Where will I go?

I have been with DU since the stolen election of 2004. I will probably leave with the stolen primary of 2016.

The purged voters, the changed party affiliations, the electronic machines, Bill's electioneering at the polls, the closed polling places, the DNC with an agenda, the computer firewall, the biased media, the exit polls that are "off" time and time again - always in Hillary's favor...yet, so few Hillary supporters show any concern or sympathy or compassion for these "anomalies". I do not fault Hillary for these things. She has a campaign to run, but SOMEBODY is rigging this election, and we all know it.

As "THE DATE" of the big DU change keeps getting thrown into our faces, and super delegates are counted with pledged before they've voted (even here at DU), and the media arrogantly claims they will call Hillary the winner by 5:00pm on Tuesday, I am compelled to ask -- where will I go?

Recently, I have posted information on why I DON'T want Hillary, why I think the democratic party should not support Hillary, but I have never personally attacked a Hillary supporter nor mocked them. During this entire process, I have not once put anyone on ignore, because I do not want to live in a vacuum - people disagree, sometimes vehemently. Nevertheless, I have been shocked by the kind of attacks I have received from the other side. The level of anger, the amount of mockery, combined with the constant spiking of the ball during blatant election "shenanigans" -- it has been all too much for me.

I do not know if I can vote for Hillary in the general election anymore. Not because of DU - although the most ardent Hillary supporters here are actually hurting her chances more than they are helping - but because of myriad reasons that I need not repeat in this post; we all know them. Unfortunately, here at DU, when I say I cannot vote for Hillary, I am accused of supporting Trump. I am told that I cannot allow a Trump presidency to occur, therefore I must vote for Hillary. In what world does one deduce from my non-vote (or my possible write-in of Bernie) that I am supporting Trump? If I cannot bring myself to vote for her in good conscience, then that is not MY fault if she loses. It is the establishment that has created a situation where that can happen. THEY have promoted a flawed candidate, for I, alone, am simply not that important. If she loses, then the masses feel as I do, and we all collectively cannot bring ourselves to support Hillary. The masses can never be blamed for the outcome, for in a democracy, they matter most. When a group in power ignores those masses, it could be to their peril, as history has shown us many times.

Traditionally in an election, independent voters are the ones a candidate wants in order to win. Somehow, in this democratic primary, they are toxic, they are the problem, they should not be allowed to play ball with the democrats during their game. Everyone knows, it is the independents who decide elections in this country, yet I am watching as the democrats are telling them all to basically fuck off. That doesn't bode well for the democrats. Not at all.

I do not know if I will stay at DU, and I feel very sad about this revelation. This has been my favorite place to visit on the internet every day since 2004. I tried to stick with Dailykos after kos made his change. I tried to see the sensibility of it. Instead, what I saw was a purging of great posters and an ever-increasing vapid echo chamber. At the point kos began posting disgusting false diaries about Bernie being racist and supporting violence, I could no longer participate. I am not alone. It's not unusual to see a post with 90 recommends near the top of the recommended list. I remember when that number would be near a thousand. Will DU also descend into such a sad shell of its former self?

Where will I go?

I have things to do in my own life. Goals to achieve. I hope I will immerse myself in these quests of self-actualization. Maybe over time I will find my way back to DU. I do not know.

As for alternative websites, jackpineradicals is growing, but it, too, is another echo-chamber. Of course, it is an echo chamber for my guy, but I never wanted an echo chamber. I wanted fair.

I guess that's the bottom line of this meandering post. I have been searching for fairness and wisdom. It's in short order these days.

Where will I go?

USA TODAY: Secretary without honor

Secretary without honor
Phillip Jennings 6:46 p.m. EDT June 5, 2016
When I hear people say Clinton emails don't matter, I remember a young Marine captain who owned up to his career-ruining mistake.

Apologists for Hillary Clinton’s alleged criminal mishandling of classified documents say that it doesn’t matter, that she really did nothing wrong, or nothing significant. But the real question is not so much what she did as how she has responded to being found out.

Once during the mid-1960s when I was on active duty in the Marine Corps, I was the air liaison officer for a battalion of Marines aboard 11 ships in the Mediterranean. As the air officer and a senior captain, I had a rotating responsibility for the nuclear code book, kept in the safe in the operations room of the lead amphibious squadron command ship. I shared that duty with another captain, a squared away young man, liked by all he commanded and the son of a very high-ranking Marine.

On the day our ships were leaving the Mediterranean, we met the new amphibious squadron near Gibraltar and made preparations to transfer security codes and other sensitive material to the incoming Marine battalion. The young captain was on duty and went to the operations office to pick up the code book. He was alone in the office. He removed the code book and placed it on the desk while closing the safe. In a rushed moment, he stepped across the passageway to retrieve something he needed from his quarters. Seconds later, he stepped back into the operations office and found the operations sergeant having just entered, looking down at the code book.

Against all regulations, the code book had been out of the safe and unattended. It mattered not that it was unattended for only seconds, that the ship was 5 miles at sea, or that it was certain no one unauthorized had seen the code. The captain could have explained this to the operations sergeant. He could have told the sergeant that he “would take care of it.” He could have hinted that his high-ranking dad could smooth it over.

But the Marine Corps’ values are honor, courage and commitment. Honor is the bedrock of our character. The young captain could not ask the sergeant to betray his duty to report the infraction, no matter how small. Instead, the captain simply said, “Let’s go see the colonel...”

SNIP (Please read the article to find out what happened to the young officer. I must edit it for fair use.)

...Clinton is the antithesis of that young captain, someone with no honor, little courage and commitment only to her endless ambition. This has nothing to do with gender, party affiliation, ideology or policy. It is a question of character — not just hers, but ours. Electing Clinton would mean abandoning holding people accountable for grievous errors of integrity and responsibility. What we already know about her security infractions should disqualify her for any government position that deals in information critical to mission success, domestic or foreign. But beyond that, her responses to being found out — dismissing its importance, claiming ignorance, blaming others — indict her beyond anything the investigation can reveal. Those elements reveal her character. And the saddest thing is that so many in America seem not to care.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/06/05/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-consequences-integrity-honesty-column/85205018/
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