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Noted: correlation between obscene language & your stress level

That stress level you experience is not healthy. Concrete facts, such as numbers attending, venues, amounts charged to attend, etc., are just that - facts, not smears. If you were really comfortable with HRC's campaign style, you wouldn't get so upset, and you would be able to calmly, and without repeated use of the word "fucking" explain why you believe her campaign style is preferable to Bernie's. In fact, you would welcome the opportunity to do so.

You ask, further up thread, post 7, what the difference is between seeing Bernie "live" and seeing him on Youtube. Obviously, to many thousands of people, who go to his events with no expectation of actually talking with him, that difference is worth the effort for them to attend in person. Over the decades, I have gone to considerable effort to attend live performances/presentations/speeches of people who are politically/historically significant and/or whom I admire for their talents and accomplishments. I've been privileged to watch & hear, live & not recorded, Sam Rayburn, JFK, Bob Dole, Geraldine Ferarro, Bill Clinton, Walter Mondale, George W. Bush, Al Gore, Bob Casey, Tony Bennet, Luciano Pavorotti, Raul Julia, Bernadette Peters, Maggie Smith, Paul McCartney, James Galway, Liam Neeson, Yo-Yo Ma, Harry Belafonte, Barbra Streisand, Kenneth Branagh, Daniel Radcliffe, Juliette Moore, Bill Nighy, Antonio Banderas, Aidan Quinn, Brian Dennehy, David Strathairn, to name some.

I've seen photos of Mayan pyramids in central American jungles - and they in no way compared to the thrill of climbing several myself. I've seen videos of divers exploring sunken ships, but that is NOTHING compared to the thrill of wreck diving on the sunken WWII ships of Truk Lagoon. I've seen video of glaciers calving - but wow! the actual sound and sight of that phenomena at Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska. I was on the island of Montserrat for a week while its volcano was erupting - more than just seeing or hearing a video of it, there was the feel of the fine grit of ash covering every surface, and the acrid smell of sulphur. And living in Cocoa, Florida in the '60's, I got to watch many rocket launches, both daylight and at night from my back yard - plus one overwhelming experience watching a Saturn launch from the VIP guest section at Cape Kennedy.
And see, here's the thing (as Adrian Monk would say), once you've had one of these live, real life experiences, for the rest of your life, when you see a photo or video, or hear the recorded voice or musical performance of any one of those examples, you flash back to the excitement, the electric thrill of your actual, in person experience.

When it comes to really huge political rallies, there is a gestalt, a whole which is far more than the sum of its parts. The passion and excitement of such an evening can carry over to the rest of the campaign and beyond, and participants will treasure that.

She left out her support for cluster bombs and land mines.

http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2008-03-18/article/29503
Commentary: Hillary Clinton’s Shameful Vote on Cluster Bombs
By Paul Rockwell
Tuesday March 18, 2008

In her autobiography, Living History, Senator Hillary Clinton portrays herself as an advocate for children, a defender of women and human rights. In fact, the Clintons have a long history of sacrificing the rights, even the lives of children, for political expediency. It is time to set the record straight.
]I. CLUSTER BOMBS

On September 6, 2006, a Senate bill—a simple amendment to ban the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas—presented Senator Clinton with a timely opportunity to protect the lives of children throughout the world. The cluster bomb is one of the most hated and heinous weapons in modern war, and its primary victims are children.

Senator Obama voted for the amendment to ban cluster bombs. Senator Clinton, however, voted with the Republicans to kill the humanitarian bill, an amendment in accord with the Geneva Conventions, which already prohibit the use of indiscriminate weapons in populated areas.

All senators are expected to inform themselves on the issues before they cast a vote. The evidence is overwhelming. It is hard to believe that Senator Clinton was unaware of the humanitarian crisis when she voted to continue the use of cluster bombs in cities and populated areas. A U.N. weapons commission called cluster bombs “weapons of indiscriminate effect.” For years the international press reported the horrific consequences of cluster bombs on civilians. On April 10, 2003, for example, Asia Times described the carnage in Baghdad hospitals: “The absolute majority of patients are women and children, victims of shrapnel, and most of all, fragments of cluster bombs.” Reporting from a hospital in Hillah, The Mirror, a British newspaper, became graphic: “Shrapnel peppered their bodies. Blackened the skin. Smashed heads. Tore limbs. A doctor reports that ‘all the injuries you see were caused by cluster bombs. The majority of the victims were children who died because they were outside."




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If you have something to say, now's the time.

I can't help but notice you've taken to posting the cryptic comment "Bookmarking" or "Bookmarking, again" on threads I've posted on which support Bernie &/or are critical of Hillary. and I am sincerely unclear why you do this or what it means. So please clear up my confusion and explain what the terse phrases "bookmarking" or "bookmarking, again" mean to you.

For example, I occasionally bookmark a thread because it contains valuable links - in other words, I like it. I might say, "Great thread. Bookmarked"; or "K&R bookmarked"; or "Bookmarked to read later" as a compliment/thank you to the OP. In the instant thread you have expressed displeasure because the topic has been posted before, but provide no substantive debate, discussion or comments on the topic itself. So what is the value to you of bookmarking the thread?

Are your bookmarks the internet equivalent of Dickens' character, Madame Defarge and her knitting in A Tale of Two Cities? Even on a literal level, Madame Defarge’s knitting constitutes a whole network of symbols. Into her needlework she stitches a registry or list of names (one might say, bookmarks), of all those condemned in the name of a new republic. I sincerely hope that is not the case. Because that would contribute nothing to the political debate and it implies some future "payback" which even in the volatile primary season is out of place on DU.

"Strange Orange Robots Sail Into Dutch Harbor. Just What Are They Up To?"

Excerpts from a very entertaining article

These robots are 18 feet tall. Each one has a bright orange wing of carbon fiber sticking up from a floating platform. At sea, they look like oversized windsurfers. Using the wind for propulsion, and solar panels for their electronics, they’ve been traveling thousands of miles in the Bering Sea all by themselves.

Scientists with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the University of Alaska-Fairbanks and the University of Washington are collaborating on the high-tech project.

They say each drone can carry more than 200 pounds of scientific instruments. They can cruise the open ocean at up to 14 knots. They can boldly go where it would cost a lot more to send a ship full of human beings.

At a busy fishing dock on Unalaska’s Captain’s Bay, Jenkins says he launched the two sail drones from the very same dock in April.
Jenkins: “We sent them out of here into 45-knot headwinds. From here, they went to St. Paul, then up through the Bering Sea up to Nome, then over to Norton Sound. We mapped the Yukon delta. Then they sailed back to Dutch Harbor. So 4,500 miles on each drone.” The last time humans surveyed the sea floor of the Yukon delta, the year was 1899.


http://kucb.org/news/article/strange-orange-robots-sail-into-dutch-harbor-just-what-are-they-up-to/

Strange comment - one might say a tad disturbed/disturbing.

I haven't received any of the recently discussed threatening or ugly private messages, but I was amazed to read this response on a GD-Primary thread:

I decided not to provide a link or the name of the poster - have no intent to specifically call her or him out - I'm writing about this as others have written about the PMs they received, without identifying the person sending it.
"You post rudely.I read and watch it and make note of it."


Anyone else seen anything like it? It's funny, in a sad and pathetic way. Anyone else reminded of Dickens' character, Madame Defarge and her knitting in A Tale of Two Cities?
Even on a literal level, Madame Defarge’s knitting constitutes a whole network of symbols. Into her needlework she stitches a registry (one might say, makes a note of), or list of names, of all those condemned to die in the name of a new republic.

Although the comment was directed at another Sanders supporter, not me, I did respond to it:

Divernan (12,827 posts)
xxx. Shades of the Lord High Executioner/The Mikado

What fun! We're getting into Gilbert and Sullivan territory here.
In the Mikado, the character of Ko-Ko, aka The Lord High Executioner, has a lovely song and it goes a little something like this:

As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list — I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!
There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs —
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs —
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat —
All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like that —
And all third persons who on spoiling tête-á-têtes insist —
They'd none of 'em be missed — they'd none of 'em be missed!
Chorus.
He's got 'em on the list — he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed — they'll none of 'em be missed.


http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/mikado/webopera/mk105a.html

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you very much! Tip your servers!
I'll be playing here all primary season!

And of course in the proud tradition of making up lists, we have a real life historical character known for his "lists" - Red-baiting, black-listing, anti-homosexual witch-hunting Senator Joseph McCarthy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

Wheeling speech
McCarthy experienced a meteoric rise in national profile on February 9, 1950, when he gave a Lincoln Day speech to the Republican Women's Club of Wheeling, West Virginia. His words in the speech are a matter of some debate, as no audio recording was saved. However, it is generally agreed that he produced a piece of paper that he claimed contained a list of known Communists working for the State Department. McCarthy is usually quoted to have said: "The State Department is infested with communists. I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."

There is some dispute about whether or not McCarthy actually gave the number of people on the list as being "205" or "57". In a later telegram to President Truman, and when entering the speech into the Congressional Record, he used the number 57. The origin of the number 205 can be traced: In later debates on the Senate floor, McCarthy referred to a 1946 letter that then–Secretary of State James Byrnes sent to Congressman Adolph J. Sabath. In that letter, Byrnes said State Department security investigations had resulted in "recommendation against permanent employment" for 284 persons, and that 79 of these had been removed from their jobs; this left 205 still on the State Department's payroll. In fact, by the time of McCarthy's speech only about 65 of the employees mentioned in the Byrnes letter were still with the State Department, and all of these had undergone further security checks.



Clinton underestimates the grassroots energy around Keystone XL at her own peril

Hillary Clinton's answer Tuesday to a question on the Keystone XL pipeline was a refusal to comment because the decision was up to President Obama and she didn't want to "second-guess" him. She said, “If it’s undecided when I become president, I will answer your question.”

For real? I'll tell you after you elect me? This is a completely misguided strategy by the Clinton campaign and it will deeply undermine her credibility with the progressive base even as she rolls out her climate change policies. On its face, it looks like a total equivocation. Worse yet, it follows news last week that the Clinton campaign has now hired Democratic strategist Jeff Berman, who also happens to be a former lobbyist for TransCanada—the company that's pushing Keystone XL.

The newest hire for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign is a longtime strategist who played a key role in her 2008 primary defeat while working for then-Sen. Barack Obama.
He’s also a Washington lobbyist who lobbied the State Department -- led, at the time, by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton -- on behalf of the company seeking to build the controversial Keystone XL pipeline.

The Clinton campaign is deeply underestimating the grassroots appetite for shutting down the Keystone XL. Her hedge today is punctuated by the presence of Berman in her campaign. If she wants to maintain her integrity on Keystone, she must do one of two things:
1) Dismiss Berman so that her policy approach isn't unduly influenced by his presence;
2) Actually say what she would do as president about Keystone—then voters can judge for themselves.

Hillary Clinton's team may not recall the 2011 Keystone protests that drew thousands to Washington for arrestable actions and thousands more to form a human chain several-people deep around the White House. But if she thinks climate change activists are going to be any easier to dodge than Dreamers or Black Lives Matter activists, she is mistaken.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/29/1406641/-Clinton-underestimates-the-grassroots-energy-around-Keystone-XL-at-her-own-peril?detail=facebook#

Shades of the Lord High Executioner/The Mikado

What fun! We're getting into Gilbert and Sullivan territory here.
In the Mikado, the character of Ko-Ko, aka The Lord High Executioner, has a lovely song and it goes a little something like this:

As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list — I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!
There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs —
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs —
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat —
All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like that —
And all third persons who on spoiling tête-á-têtes insist —
They'd none of 'em be missed — they'd none of 'em be missed!
Chorus.
He's got 'em on the list — he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed — they'll none of 'em be missed.

http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/mikado/webopera/mk105a.html

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you very much! Tip your servers!
I'll be playing here all primary season!

And of course in the proud tradition of making up lists, we have a real life historical character known for his "lists" - Red-baiting, black-listing, anti-homosexual witch-hunting Senator Joseph McCarthy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

Wheeling speech

McCarthy experienced a meteoric rise in national profile on February 9, 1950, when he gave a Lincoln Day speech to the Republican Women's Club of Wheeling, West Virginia. His words in the speech are a matter of some debate, as no audio recording was saved. However, it is generally agreed that he produced a piece of paper that he claimed contained a list of known Communists working for the State Department. McCarthy is usually quoted to have said: "The State Department is infested with communists. I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."

There is some dispute about whether or not McCarthy actually gave the number of people on the list as being "205" or "57". In a later telegram to President Truman, and when entering the speech into the Congressional Record, he used the number 57. The origin of the number 205 can be traced: In later debates on the Senate floor, McCarthy referred to a 1946 letter that then–Secretary of State James Byrnes sent to Congressman Adolph J. Sabath. In that letter, Byrnes said State Department security investigations had resulted in "recommendation against permanent employment" for 284 persons, and that 79 of these had been removed from their jobs; this left 205 still on the State Department's payroll. In fact, by the time of McCarthy's speech only about 65 of the employees mentioned in the Byrnes letter were still with the State Department, and all of these had undergone further security checks.



Consider photo of firefighters working in protective gear in high 90's temps.

Talk about physically demanding/exhausting work. Now compare & contrast that with (1) the pampered politicians enthroned in air-conditioned comfort in their spacious office suites - fund raising on their speaker-phones (aside to assistant: "Madge: Where's my iced tea!?!?") or with (2) conservative pundits in their ergonomic desk chairs in front of a computer - who have likely never worked at a physically demanding job in their lives - calling for an increase in retirement age re social security.

LOL "might radically affect my support of Bernie!"

(And yes, sarcasm applies to my entire post!)
In the grand and whining tradition of those fragile flowers who raise their heads up from their fainting couches, clutch their pearls, and tremulously snarl, "Well I WAS going to support Bernie Sanders, but then one of his supporters here on DU hurt my widdle feelings by reporting hard facts about Hillary's Wall Street ties/Bosnian airport heroics/son-in-law hedge fund profiteer/whatevs, so now I'm going to tell Bernie on them!

And then I'm going to drop by the Clintons' $18 million summer vacation rental digs in the Hamptons with my campaign donation. She'll appreciate my loyalty now that some really rich Dems are backing Jeb!

The Clinton’s rental, reportedly worth around $18 million, leaves the Obamas in the dust. The Clintons are reportedly paying $100,000 for their month long (August) summer stay. The Clintons will enjoy a seven-bedroom, seven-and-a-half-bath home.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/battle-summer-vacation-homes-obamas-clintons/story?id=24934506



Pretty ritzy for a poor couple who were flat broke and in debt when leaving the White House! But it's vital to their self-esteem to keep up with the One Percenters. Any why lower herself to talk to reporters or speak to thousands of backers all around the country when she can hobnob with the billionaire set? And the Hamptons is a great place for fund-raising. She better get moving though. Jeb Bush just had a fund raiser in the Hamptons where the host and half the guests were rich Dems & they all wrote checks to Jeb! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jeb-bush-snares-democratic-moneyman-090102593.html;_ylt=A0LEVvHxvLZVYUIAOXsnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0a


Jeb Bush Snares a Democratic Moneyman on Hamptons Tour

Bloomberg By Zachary Mider
14 hours ago

Behind a garden modeled on Monet's, Jeb Bush addressed a lawn-full of chief executives and hedge-fund managers at an East Hampton, New York, estate Saturday morning. While the candidate is no stranger to courting wealthy donors, this time was different: about half the attendees were Democrats.
This guy sells well," said Kenneth Lipper, the money manager and registered Democrat who hosted the event, after Bush left. Virtually the only one who left without writing a check, Lipper said, was a buck deer that wandered past the group assembled on the wooded grounds.
The wealthiest donors are playing an unprecedented role in the early stages of the 2016 race. For the first time ever, most candidates are raising more money through super-PACs, which can accept donations of up to $1 million or more, than through the traditional campaign accounts that are capped at $2,700 per donor.

No one has raised as much in this new environment as Bush, who had amassed about $103 million in his super-PAC and another $11 million for his campaign by the end of June. The Lipper event shows how widely Bush is ranging in his quest for donors.

The race for money adds to the importance of places like the Hamptons, Wall Street's oceanside playground, where Lipper remarked that it's become fashionable to spend more than $100 million on a vacation home. The entire annual income for the median U.S. household—$50,000—wouldn’t cover more than 900 of the summer rentals here listed on one brokerage's website.

After answering questions for an hour at Lipper's event, Bush left for two more gatherings at a pair of mansions near the beach.
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