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FighterPilot1966 (26 posts) Oct-30-02, 08:01 AM (ET) Wellstone Memorial a campaign rally Wellstone Memorial a campaign rally Wednesday, October 30, 2002 Posted: 3:54 AM EST (0854 GMT) <snip> MINNEAPOLIS, Minnesota (CNN) -- Fierce passion, cheers and praise for lives lost filled the basketball arena where thousands came Tuesday night to remember Sen. Paul Wellstone, D-Minnesota, and those who died with him in a plane crash last week. At times the memorial sounded like a campaign rally, with friends and family urging voters to continue the legacy of an outspoken liberal who died in the last days of a difficult re-election fight. Wellstone's trademark resolve and love for his state shone through in the eulogies given by his friends and family. <end snip> http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/29/elec02.mn.s.memorial/index.html ============================================================== Frankly, I was appalled. This was supposed to be a memorial service. Instead, it tuned into a combination pep-rally/circus!!! What a disgrace to the memory of Mr. Wellstone!   Top

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Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    You are so wrong. party_line Oct-30-02 1    SOUNDED like a campaign rally? Q 10/30/2002 5        Why do you think they told the Veep* to stay home? Why 10/30/2002 26            Considering many Americans think Wellstone was murdered*** shance 10/30/2002 85        He did look stunned, didn't he? spinbaby 10/30/2002 52            Jesse Ventura sure has class, don't he? Why 10/30/2002 57                was that him chomping on gum or someone who looked like him? cosmicdot 10/30/2002 73  Sorry to be so blunt... austinboy Oct-30-02 2    You may be right born2talk 10/30/2002 48        Tell me, born2talk - mac56 10/30/2002 51        That's where YOU are wrong... austinboy 10/30/2002 53  This was exactly what Paul would have wanted. ndanger Oct-30-02 3  Hell, if it were me looking down on that crowd Sick of Bullshit Oct-30-02 4  I think the spirit of the event served his memory well IrateCitizen Oct-30-02 6    Beautifully put Chris. I couldn't have said it better.... Kahuna 10/30/2002 46  It's really not so unusual Fuzz Oct-30-02 7    Perhaps I'm old-fashioned, but... FighterPilot1966 10/30/2002 9        A memorial service is to remember someones life.... Sperk 10/30/2002 11        The deceased was a POLITICIAN Maeve 10/30/2002 12            So weird isn't it? Fuzz 10/30/2002 14        Don't know about old fashioned... austinboy 10/30/2002 13        in GOP land maybe JNelson6563 10/30/2002 15            Besides, the sports analogy works well. Why 10/30/2002 31                Exactly, Why! Johnyawl 10/30/2002 70                    And texasblueeyes 10/30/2002 78                    And if they did... MiloBloom 10/30/2002 92        You must have never been to a good Irish wake protect freedom impeach bush now 10/30/2002 16            A true old-fashioned Irish wake Maeve 10/30/2002 21        Norm Coleman gave an interview in front of an airplane on the Today S... tjdee 10/30/2002 19        the family had private services, so what is the problem democrat in Tallahassee 10/30/2002 27        Actually, it's what the sons think, that matters ... maryallen 10/30/2002 43        Uh...the "person" was a "politician." How do you honor Kahuna 10/30/2002 47        What you fail to understand FighterPilot patrice 10/30/2002 89  Us, classless liberals are not good at being uptight and pretending robbedvoter Oct-30-02 8  That IS what happens at a Liberal Wake !!!!! protect freedom impeach bush now Oct-30-02 10  Did you actually watch it? Nina_Katarina Oct-30-02 17  you missed the point Carolina Oct-30-02 18  Root word of Memorial: Memory w4rma Oct-30-02 22  It was a joyful celebration ! kentuck Oct-30-02 24    Bob Dylan, Dick Cheney and Paul Wellstone Q 10/30/2002 28  WRONG- Wellstone would have LOVED it! Dr Fate Oct-30-02 29  don't be bitter Cheswick Oct-30-02 30  Never separate the life you live... ILeft Oct-30-02 34  His Son's Were Happy....David Said otohara Oct-30-02 36    This is exactly the point BlueState 10/30/2002 69  Why did you alter the headline to make it look bad? leave_no_millionaire_behind Oct-30-02 38    He felt CNN was derelict in their duties robbedvoter 10/30/2002 64  Democrats have the COMPASSION,not the rethugs. buff2 Oct-30-02 41  In my neckk of the woods, we CELEBRATE one's life... Kahuna Oct-30-02 42    Wellstone's service kicked ass! gauguin57 10/30/2002 55  You've got your "talking points" down Walt Starr Oct-30-02 59  The Memorial was just right higher class Oct-30-02 61  Here's a pic of Bush* standing on dead people with the bullhorn robbedvoter Oct-30-02 62    Even Hitler didn't pose on the corpses of his victims ILeft 10/30/2002 81  This event is Exactly what the sons wanted... onehandle Oct-30-02 63  Hi Fighter...You're a REAL pilot, not like awolBush, right? blm Oct-30-02 65    Did someone say Chickenhawk? symbolman 10/30/2002 87  I was there Love Bug Oct-30-02 67    Uh, Sorry Love Bug TheBlob 10/30/2002 72  Mourning? There were more tears at that memorial than I've Starpass Oct-30-02 68    My face was one of those faces with tears rolling non-stop Nobody 10/30/2002 93  Paul wouldn't have wanted it any other way! LiberalTexan Oct-30-02 71  went to a fight and a hockey game broke out librechik Oct-30-02 74    Yeah, they'd be different... BiggJawn 10/30/2002 77  Some disruptors are blatant, others are more subtle. progressivejazz Oct-30-02 75  FighterPilot1966 got shot down! 0007 Oct-30-02 76    Thank Goodness! Owl 10/30/2002 79        What Part Didn't You Understand? Galley_Queen 10/30/2002 80  FUCK YOU!!! HIS FAMILY WAS THERE AND THEY ENJOYED IT!!! ptahptah Oct-30-02 82    RIght on! Win it for the Gipper!! Caliphoto 10/30/2002 86  I am shocked bluedeminredstate Oct-30-02 83  Your position is pretty transparent. truthisfreedom Oct-30-02 84  Who are YOU? 9215 Oct-30-02 88  Just what did you expect? Rumpole Oct-30-02 90  Actual Title: Thousands Pay Tribute to Paul Wellstone robbedvoter Oct-30-02 91    Why are you talking to a dead poster? Anj 10/30/2002 94  Appalled? haymaker Oct-30-02 95    Ya it was Awesome Moving and what Paul would have wanted! Nottingham 10/30/2002 96  Were you appalled by babara Olsen's GinaMaria Oct-30-02 97

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party_line (744 posts) Oct-30-02, 08:09 AM (ET) 1. You are so wrong. It was a worthy celebration of a life well lived! The spirit of monarchy is war and enlargement of domain: peace and moderation are the spirit of a republic. -Thomas Jefferson   Top

Q (4326 posts) Oct-30-02, 08:12 AM (ET) Reply to post #1 5. SOUNDED like a campaign rally? LAST EDITED ON Oct-30-02 AT 08:14 AM (ET) - Or is this how the RRWing labels it for their OWN political gain? - BTW...did you see the expression on Lott's face? He looked downright scared knowing he was surrounded by LIBERALS that want HIM out of politics. --------------------------------------------------- Religion, not Patriotism, is the last refuge of scoundrels. - Q --------------------------------------------------- The DC press corps shares a motto with Ronald Reagan: Never apologize, never explain. Let it go, and it drops down the Memory Hole. - The Free Press is dead. * (selected by a partisan supreme court)   Top

Why (3966 posts) Oct-30-02, 08:46 AM (ET) Reply to post #5 26. Why do you think they told the Veep* to stay home? Reichsfuehrer George W. Bush signs executive order abolishing Congress, April 20, 2003 Can't have Biggus Dickus having a heart attack over this, can we? Republicans Are Idiots! (now under construction) I think I'm smarter than most conservatives because I THINK. Most conservatives think about as well as I sing - badly enough to induce migranes.   Top

shance (130 posts) Oct-30-02, 01:38 PM (ET) Reply to post #26 85. Considering many Americans think Wellstone was murdered*** and there is just cause to be HIGHLY skeptical, the "rally" could have been one hell of a lot worse!!!!   Top

spinbaby (1478 posts) Oct-30-02, 09:46 AM (ET) Reply to post #5 52. He did look stunned, didn't he? __________________ Mediocrity. It takes a lot less time, and most people won't notice the difference until it's too late.   Top

Why (3966 posts) Oct-30-02, 10:27 AM (ET) Reply to post #52 57. Jesse Ventura sure has class, don't he? Reichsfuehrer George W. Bush signs executive order abolishing Congress, April 20, 2003 Trent Lott looks like he caught his wife with another woman, <seinfeld>not that there's anything wrong with that.</seinfeld> Republicans Are Idiots! (now under construction) I think I'm smarter than most conservatives because I THINK. Most conservatives think about as well as I sing - badly enough to induce migranes.   Top

cosmicdot (2027 posts) Oct-30-02, 11:44 AM (ET) Reply to post #57 73. was that him chomping on gum or someone who looked like him? but, at least he didn't spit out in century old digs like smirch did in Russia "There are things we can do, right now, that will make a big difference in people's lives." Paul Wellstone "Let's liberate the United States of America." Ramsey Clark, 10/26/2002 Columbus for Congress "Against the backdrop of Washington, DC, the most powerful capital on the planet, I dream of the day when the power of love replaces the power of might; that will be the day our world will know the blessing of peace and our Republic will, again, be in the hands of the American People." - Cynthia McKinney, 10/26/2002   Top

austinboy (138 posts) Oct-30-02, 08:10 AM (ET) 2. Sorry to be so blunt... ...but who cares how appalled you were. This was a memorial held for the supporters, family and friends of this wonderful gentleman. If you aren't in support...then get off the bus!! I never thought that I would get to be the creature that I always meant to be. Pet Shop Boys (Being Boring)   Top

born2talk (3 posts) Oct-30-02, 09:36 AM (ET) Reply to post #2 48. You may be right ...but somehow I get the idea that asking for votes and trying to convince Republicans to vote for Mondale is a little off the track of trying to celebrate a well lived life.   Top

mac56 (635 posts) Oct-30-02, 09:42 AM (ET) Reply to post #48 51. Tell me, born2talk - Did you even watch the memorial? How do you suggest memorializing Paul without memorializing that which was his passion - activism and the political process? You're not off to an auspicious start here, newbie.   Top

austinboy (138 posts) Oct-30-02, 09:46 AM (ET) Reply to post #48 53. That's where YOU are wrong... LAST EDITED ON Oct-30-02 AT 09:48 AM (ET) The memorial was not a political rally for Walter Mondale. It was a celebration of the life and legacy of Paul Wellstone. Yes the man was (gasp!) a liberal and he lived his life fighting for the equality for all. That's what was being celebrated; his humanity. Where rethugs talk of their compassion and humanity, here you have an individual worthy of such accolades. You self-righteous moralizing types will never get it. I never thought that I would get to be the creature that I always meant to be. Pet Shop Boys (Being Boring)   Top

ndanger (770 posts) Oct-30-02, 08:11 AM (ET) 3. This was exactly what Paul would have wanted. I thought it was beautiful! Glad you saw it. It must have scared the hell out of repugs in the arena, because they knew they were going down in a big way Nov 5th! "I never knew a man, could tell so many lies. He had a different story, for every set of eyes. How can he remember, who he's talkin' to? 'Cause I know it ain't me, and I hope it isn't you." Neil Young, "Ambulance Blues" 1974 "Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other." Oscar Ameringer   Top

Sick of Bullshit (1607 posts) Oct-30-02, 08:11 AM (ET) 4. Hell, if it were me looking down on that crowd I would have wanted them to be saying "We're gonna kick some Republican butt!" instead of just sobbing. From what I hear of the late Senator, he would have wanted it that way, too. He was a fighter.   Top

IrateCitizen (2521 posts) Oct-30-02, 08:12 AM (ET) 6. I think the spirit of the event served his memory well Frankly, I was appalled. This was supposed to be a memorial service. Instead, it tuned into a combination pep-rally/circus!!! What a disgrace to the memory of Mr. Wellstone! I think that Paul's advice at a time such as this would have been, "Don't mourn... ORGANIZE!" The service, for the most part, showed his fighting spirit. It was a celebration of the man and what he stood for, rather than a mournful gathering. And with Paul Wellstone's life... there was much to celebrate. Chris Harrison Mt. Kisco, NY JOIN THE FIGHT FOR CLEAN ELECTIONS!!! http://www.citizenactionny.org/election.html http://www.commoncause.org "Do not worry over the charge of treason to your masters, but be concerned about the treason that involves yourselves. Be true to yourself and you cannot be a traitor to any good cause on earth." - Eugene Victor Debs, 6/16/1918 speech at Canton, OH "Democracy is not a state in which people act like sheep." - M.K. Gandhi "You have President Bush out there saying that he wants transparency and accountability on behalf of Fortune 500 CEOs. I would like some transparency and accountability on behalf of, you know, President Bush and his workers, who were the individuals that failed my husband and the 3,000 other people that day." - Kristen Breitweiser, Sept. 11 widow   Top

Kahuna (570 posts) Oct-30-02, 09:31 AM (ET) Reply to post #6 46. Beautifully put Chris. I couldn't have said it better.... The GOP and their flaky press corps have their talking points down pat. I turned on CNN when I awoke this morning and what did I hear? Anchor, Carol Costello saying pretty the same thing that I've been hearing all morning from republicans. They all went to Drudge and got their talking points, apparently. Who are these people to judge what was appropriate for Paul Wellstone. They say it was "political." Well, duh. Wellstone was a politician. How can you remember him without invoking politics? He was a good man who did...uh....good things???? Hell no! Paul deserves better than that. A person who isn't celebrated like Wellstone probably didn't lead as good a life as Wellstone did. Wellstone was properly celebrated in accordance with the life HE lived. Not the life of anyone else but his.   Top

Fuzz (294 posts) Oct-30-02, 08:13 AM (ET) 7. It's really not so unusual My father is an ordained minister who performs many funerals and they call them "going home services". They sing and celebrate the life, as well as mourn the death. Some might find that inappropriate, but they don't. The Wellstone thing last night wasn't even a funeral, it was a memorial service. Although I may not have found every second of the memorial to my liking, it isn't my service. Honor the life, continue the work as there is a void to fill. Often these memorial services are used as a way to rally around continuing the deceased work. Athletes are well known for this. I have heard "He would want us to go on and win", more often than I can count. So lighten up, quit being offended and do like I did, turn it off when you don't like something. The majority of objections I have heard have been from Republicans who think this was a commercial for Democrats and a disadvantage to them. Trust me, no one is looking to die to gain an advantage politically.   Top

FighterPilot1966 (26 posts) Oct-30-02, 08:17 AM (ET) Reply to post #7 9. Perhaps I'm old-fashioned, but... ... I thought a "memorial service" should be about the deceased and not about politics and political ambitions.   Top

Sperk (343 posts) Oct-30-02, 08:22 AM (ET) Reply to post #9 11. A memorial service is to remember someones life.... Pauls life WAS service to his fellow man which he channeled into politics. They cannot be separated.   Top

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