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AlienGirl (1225 posts) Click to EMail AlienGirl Click to send private message to AlienGirl Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 10:31 AM (ET)
If things get Really Bad...what'll you do, and when?
This is a repost of something I posted in the Meeting Room, that I don't think got enough attention. I'd like to hear others' thoughts about what to do, and when, if things get Really Bad<tm>.

What to do, when to do it. My plan has always been to get out while there's time. I've had a bug-out bag packed and at the ready for years. I have a network of people ready to get out, ready to help me get out. If all else fails I'm arranging to have a safe place in the woods where (I hope) I could hole up.
And when? Recently I was talking to an expert in fascism and I asked her what signal to look for. She replied, "When dissenters are being rounded up, declared enemy combatants, and put in a parallel justice system." I said I wanted the signal that comes *just before* that one, and she suggested that the recent round-up of Middle Easterners in CA was that signal. So I've started sending out feelers along my network, to see what people are doing.

What point would I sock it in and kill myself? I'm not sure I would...I'm a writer, and I guess I see it as my duty to record what happens, *whatever* happens, so that future people will know.

(Now you know just how paranoid I am!)

Tucker

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."--Hunter S. Thompson

"Draw the line dividing laugh and scream..."--They Might be Giants

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Wow indigo32 Jan-30-03 1
 "Old Europe", baby.... BlueEyedSon Jan-30-03 2
 Sail away to the lower lattitudes. . . frankzappa Jan-30-03 3
   Aye, aye screembloodymurder 01/30/2003 20
 Me, I'll stay... JayS Jan-30-03 4
 No, the bastards want us to go! phatkatt Jan-30-03 5
   Yes...stay anf fight dissenter 01/30/2003 7
   'He' who fights and runs away Stone_Spirits 01/30/2003 8
 The question is... dissenter Jan-30-03 6
 My Bug-Out backup plan has been in place since 1972. Tyler Durden Jan-30-03 9
   I started looking for a place about 1967 donsu 01/30/2003 27
 Stay and Fight! Patriot_Spear Jan-30-03 10
   I will stay and fight. MUAD_DIB 01/30/2003 23
 I'm not sure... theHandpuppet Jan-30-03 11
   Also green tea, sufficient supplements/herbals for 60 days. revcarol 01/30/2003 13
       Yep... theHandpuppet 01/30/2003 18
 there will be literally NO-WHERE to run to... they don't call'em WW fo... bpilgrim Jan-30-03 12
   ain't THAT the TRUTH! Sophia4Truth 01/30/2003 22
 Stick it out, AlienGirl Terwilliger Jan-30-03 14
 On fascism... David__77 Jan-30-03 15
   I know there's a need for people to stay... AlienGirl 01/30/2003 19
 I am more avid for a parallel energy system draftcaroline Jan-30-03 16
 This is my country notsodumbhillbilly Jan-30-03 17
 lock and load bluedog Jan-30-03 21
 Come to California -- Hell Hath No Fury Jan-30-03 24
   There are alot here in Massachusetts MUAD_DIB 01/30/2003 25
 C-A-N-A-D-A Heddi Jan-30-03 26
   Water AlienGirl 01/30/2003 28
   One word termite 01/30/2003 30
 ROCKY MOUNTAINS FOREVER!!!! (eom) dissenter Jan-30-03 29

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indigo32 (262 posts) Click to EMail indigo32 Click to send private message to indigo32 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 10:35 AM (ET)
1. Wow
sounds like you're a bit more organized than I am, though I admit, I'd like to go north if it gets bad enough.

Peace,
Sue

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BlueEyedSon (259 posts) Click to EMail BlueEyedSon Click to send private message to BlueEyedSon Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 10:54 AM (ET)
2. "Old Europe", baby....

Nothing lasts forever, and we cannot ask God for our gasoline
--Rise Robots Rise

And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall
--Bob Dylan

News and analysis:
http://buzzflash.com/
http://www.alternet.org/
http://www.ens-news.com/
http://www.warblogging.com/
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard.html

Articles on global politics, energy, economy & attitudes:
http://www.dieoff.com/
http://people-press.org/
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index.html

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frankzappa Donating Member (1385 posts) Click to EMail frankzappa Click to send private message to frankzappa Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 11:01 AM (ET)
3. Sail away to the lower lattitudes. . .
"I don't feel safe in this world no more,
I don't want to die in a nuclear war,
I want to sail away to a distant shore,
And be like an ape-man"

"Apeman" - The Kinks



"Remember, there is a difference between kneeling down and bending over" - Frank Zappa

"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible" - Frank Zappa

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screembloodymurder (553 posts) Click to EMail screembloodymurder Click to send private message to screembloodymurder Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 12:52 PM (ET)
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20. Aye, aye
Captain.
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JayS (496 posts) Click to EMail JayS Click to send private message to JayS Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 11:05 AM (ET)
4. Me, I'll stay...
...and fight and deal with whatever comes. Pretty much the same thing my ancestors did. Like my old Grandpa said, "the only thing your gonna gain from trying to outrun trouble is sore feet."
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phatkatt (733 posts) Click to EMail phatkatt Click to send private message to phatkatt Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 11:07 AM (ET)
5. No, the bastards want us to go!
I'm stayin' and fightin'!

"You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody." - Bob Dylan

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dissenter (93 posts) Click to EMail dissenter Click to send private message to dissenter Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 11:10 AM (ET)
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7. Yes...stay anf fight
But not from your own home. That's the first place that they come for you.
If you own guns...you're already on their shit list. They'll round up those things first...or you, whichever comes first.
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Stone_Spirits (147 posts) Click to EMail Stone_Spirits Click to send private message to Stone_Spirits Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 11:16 AM (ET)
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8. 'He' who fights and runs away
lives to fight another day. B. Marley
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dissenter (93 posts) Click to EMail dissenter Click to send private message to dissenter Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 11:09 AM (ET)
6. The question is...
Will you have TIME to get out of the cities.

My theory is that when "it" happens it will be sudden and done in such a manner that it will trap 75-80% of the population in cities. That's all they need.

When it does happen, it will happen under the guise of a "terrorist" attack and thus martial law will be declared. Under martial law...if you are caught outside your house...you CAN be shot on site and therefore many people will freak out and not want to risk "running for the hills". As this happens, roadblocks and roaming patrols will ensue thus making escape risky. Note I said "risky" not impossible.

Now, if you have safe havens where you can flee too, that's good but you have to be there before the proverbial doodoo hits the fan. Its going to be rough and it will take determination to reach your safety point...not to mention getting any love ones to follow you...

Stay safe.

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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1722 posts) Click to EMail Tyler%20Durden Click to send private message to Tyler%20Durden Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 11:26 AM (ET)
9. My Bug-Out backup plan has been in place since 1972.
I figured Nixon was the power elite's first attempt at declaring a Caesar, so since then I've had sleeping bags, medical kits, extra topical (and when I can get it, oral) antibiotics, mess kits, and weapons. As for where the hidey-hole is, that's my business; I'm not telling, but here's a hint: Red Maple Leaf.

I've always figured that the time would come; history seems to insist on it, and the only thing I need will be a couple of day's dehydrated food and transport (the hidey-hole has non-freezable dry stuff).

If you find me, DO NOT attempt to charge the gate: I would definitely recommend against it. If we can let you in, we will.

"Paranoia is just life on a finer scale."
"It's not whether or not you're paranoid, it's whether you're paranoid ENOUGH."
(Two quotes from the EXCELLENT film, "Strange Days." Katherine Bigelow is one of my HEROES.)


FOUNDING MEMBER, "THE COALITION OF THE OPPOSED"

DANGER, WILL ROBINSON! TERROR ALERT!

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Jan-30-03, 02:16 PM (ET)
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27. I started looking for a place about 1967
If I had small children to raise I would be taking them 'out of harm's way' if at all possible. Which for most people isn't possible.
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Jan-30-03, 11:31 AM (ET)
10. Stay and Fight!
n/t


Bush Knew... Pass it on.

"The overwhelming bulk of the evidence was that this was an attack that was likely to take place overseas."
- White House National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, in a May 16 news briefing.

"Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."
- Title of the CIA's Aug. 6 briefing memo to President Bush...


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Jan-30-03, 01:39 PM (ET)
Reply to post #10
23. I will stay and fight.
Besides, where is there to run that trouble won't find you?

That's rhetorical.

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Jan-30-03, 11:34 AM (ET)
11. I'm not sure...
... what you might define as "getting bad", but I do believe a war on Iraq would spur, not deter, terrorist attacks on domestic soil. Most vulnerable would be food and water supplies, plus energy and transportation systems. Assuming that such attacks would result in disruptions lasting for weeks if not months, we've done the following at our home:

Installed a water collection system (basically some nifty rain barrels which draw water from the downspouts of the house) and will install a solar water distiller to purify said water for drinking.

Organized and keep a well-stocked pantry, which includes (at all times) at least 50 gallons of bottled water. This also includes extra prescription medicines and plenty of extra dry food for pets.

Have an emergency stock of batteries, candles, first aid kits, sleeping bags et al organized and kept in a specified room in the basement. Grab n' go bags are also kept here.

Had the fireplace checked and cleaned, plus purchased a campstove.

Even though we have a relatively modest yard, it is sufficient to grow enough food to supplement our needs. With that in mind, we obtained a composter and have prepared a good portion of our available space for gardens. We've also purchased canning supplies and several books on growing and preserving food.

Purchased a good radio and lamp which run on solar and/or crank power.

Anyway, these are some of the steps we've taken to prepare for any emergency situation that might arise. In this country we're so used to all our needs being available at our fingertips I don't think most folks realize the havoc that could result from a disruption of power, food and water supplies... even if said emergency lasted for a only few weeks.

Hopefully we'll all be able to survive even the worst mess the Bushreich can create and in the meanwhile we'll just keep registering voters and hoping like hell we can dethrone the Bush dynasty by 2004. If the American people are so stupid as to return the Mad Bomber to office, though, God help us all.

-- the Handpuppet

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revcarol Donating Member (5614 posts) Click to EMail revcarol Click to send private message to revcarol Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 12:09 PM (ET)
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13. Also green tea, sufficient supplements/herbals for 60 days.
Big problem is going to be staying clean and waste disposal.

Also some gasoline in case you really DO have to pack up and leave.
I got most of these things you listed because I was preparing for unemployment.(Nutritious food stocks, etc.)The Mormons have a good idea with their year's-supply-of-food requirments.

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theHandpuppet Donating Member (661 posts) Click to EMail theHandpuppet Click to send private message to theHandpuppet Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 12:31 PM (ET)
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18. Yep...
I've stocked up on green tea and am growing other herbal supplements. Nuts (including peanut butter), seeds and grains (including rice and flour) should also be kept in bulk, preferably in glass or plastic containers. They take up little storage space but can provide vital nutrients for months. Extra sugar and coffee is good for trading. I'm a coupon clipper so I take full advantage of the discounts to fill the pantry! I'd also recommend folks buy LOTS of plastic storage containers which can be picked up on the cheap at any dollar discount store. Last, but not least, keep plenty of matches on hand. I keep a cache of them in a watertight metal container.

As far as waste disposal goes, I have at least one good book which addresses this potential problem as well as all preparations for emergency situations. Let me know if you're interested and I'll get the title for you.

Extra gas is another good idea; best to keep vehicles totally gassed up because in an emergency situation one might not be able to get within a mile of a station if everyone and their momma is trying to get petrol. Another reason we're looking into buying a hybrid car!

-- the Handpuppet

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Jan-30-03, 11:50 AM (ET)
12. there will be literally NO-WHERE to run to... they don't call'em WW for nuttin
TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS

peace
--

"The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing" Socrates

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also check out a REAL free press...
http://news.globalfreepress.com

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Jan-30-03, 01:39 PM (ET)
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22. ain't THAT the TRUTH!
People should be reading up on the executive orders for FEMA also. You won't be allowed to grow your own food, hunt or fish for your own individual survival. Any foods or products stored in excess of one weeks worth will be taken from you.. to distribute to the masses.

No matter where you go... you'll be found.

Read it and weep.

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/fema.html

If any of you can DEBUNK that site... have at it.


"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush (December 18, 2000)


http://www.9-11conspiracy.org/
GATHERING INFO. HELP CONTRIBUTE.
In honor of EWING's LIHOP. Find out what it means.

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Terwilliger Donating Member (5409 posts) Click to EMail Terwilliger Click to send private message to Terwilliger Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 12:13 PM (ET)
14. Stick it out, AlienGirl
We'll get to ya and bring you to the California Free Zone!

In the meantime, stock up on dried fruit.


I can only hope for revolution

Leftist Whatever

browser home: www.cannabisnews.com
weekday news: www.prorev.com/indexa.htm
Americans for Safe Access: www.safeaccessnow.org
history: A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn
(excerpt at http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/zinn-chap16.html)

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David__77 (822 posts) Click to EMail David__77 Click to send private message to David__77 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 12:17 PM (ET)
15. On fascism...
I think it is a mistake to overestimate the danger of fascism. It is a danger, but, so far, what passes for "democratic norms" in this country have been left intact. Immigrants have long suffered at the hands of the government. Brutalities and blatantly illegal government activity have long existed.

What we need to do, foremost, is get others involved in stepping up confrontation with the Taliban at home and their neo-con allies. You're friend is right, the rounding up of lawful dissidents is the mark of fascism. I think the signal to look for, is extreme provocation by the forces of the state, inferring criminality to peaceful protest. Unfortunately, there is no single, clear "signal"--we need to closely analyze events as they unfold.

Further, if fascism were to develop, there still is a need for people to fight it in this country. I wouldn't tell someone not to plan for this possibility, but this should not be a principle task.

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AlienGirl (1225 posts) Click to EMail AlienGirl Click to send private message to AlienGirl Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-30-03, 12:48 PM (ET)
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19. I know there's a need for people to stay...
But I don't know if I'm brave enough, and I have two children to think of. I'll do as much as I can, as long as I can, but I want to survive, and if it comes to it I'll run.

Tucker

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."--Hunter S. Thompson

"Draw the line dividing laugh and scream..."--They Might be Giants

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Jan-30-03, 12:19 PM (ET)
16. I am more avid for a parallel energy system
The justice system can heal up after 2004. We still have a system, as we had before Bush and will after him.

My bag is packed because of the vulnerable nuclear power facilities around here.

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Jan-30-03, 12:21 PM (ET)
17. This is my country
I'll stay here and take a stand against fascism.

"A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Author Unknown
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke

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Jan-30-03, 12:54 PM (ET)
21. lock and load
shoot any god damn person that tries to haul us off and lock us away......freedom.....to right to speak and tell the truth about this f'ed up administration is at stake.......If we cease to speak the future will never know the real truth and the down fall of our once great country!!!!!!!

Mow the Bushes down!!!!!!!

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