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David__77 (806 posts) Click to EMail David__77 Click to send private message to David__77 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-27-03, 02:54 PM (ET)
With UN approval, would you support military action?
There is currently a divide among critics of the Bush war drive. Some remain opposed to military action against Iraq, regardless of what UN inspectors say, or what resolution is or is not passed by the UN Security Council. Others, including the leaders of Germany and France, have stated that war is the last, least desirable option, but an option nonetheless, presumably if "circumstances change."

If Hans Blix gave up on the possibility of progress via inspections, and the UN Security Council were to pass a resolution approving forceful, military measures, would you support such action, perhaps support it, or definitely oppose it? This is a valid question, especially if the momentum of the anti-war movement is not to be side-tracked by diplomatic or other setbacks.

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 NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! RichM Jan-27-03 1
   No. I don't trust Chimpy, and this is an act of sheer aggression Raenelle 01/27/2003 37
 And CWebster Jan-27-03 2
 Any War would still be unjust ThorsteinVeblen Jan-27-03 3
   I agree with that underpants 01/27/2003 7
   I wouldn't count on the UN David__77 01/27/2003 12
   Hopefully... GreenArrow 01/27/2003 21
   so olacan 01/27/2003 27
 No, I would not DisgustipatedinCA Jan-27-03 4
 NO! goddess40 Jan-27-03 5
 No. rbnyc Jan-27-03 6
 Definitely oppose it sattahipdeep Jan-27-03 8
 NO Medspeak Jan-27-03 9
 No, and I have a more important question sangha Jan-27-03 10
   Indeed! rbnyc 01/27/2003 18
       hi rbnyc bpilgrim 01/28/2003 62
   Dear Sir, sattahipdeep 01/27/2003 33
 Yes, with UN approval nradisic Jan-27-03 11
   How would you justify this attack? bowens43 01/27/2003 26
       Let me respond and elaborate nradisic 01/27/2003 40
           Huh? CWebster 01/28/2003 69
 If I could be convinced that everything is on the level. Ohio Dem Jan-27-03 13
 Yes ... meegbear Jan-27-03 14
   It depends UnapologeticLiberal 01/27/2003 43
 ONLY if... GainesT1958 Jan-27-03 15
   No way.... Robroy 01/27/2003 16
 No! GreenArrow Jan-27-03 17
 *shrug* absynthe Jan-27-03 19
 IF the US got itself an explicit UN mandate Capt_Nemo Jan-27-03 20
   What are his true motives. the_man 01/28/2003 61
       You haven't heard about PNAC, didn't you? Capt_Nemo 01/28/2003 66
       Let me ask you Speed8098 01/28/2003 67
           What? the_man 01/28/2003 72
       Well then CWebster 01/28/2003 70
 What I'd support Chomskyite Jan-27-03 22
   What weapons? What sites? David__77 01/27/2003 44
 NO, bribery & threats towards the UN members G_j Jan-27-03 23
 action asjr Jan-27-03 24
 NO!!! bowens43 Jan-27-03 25
 NO! n/t seekthetruth Jan-27-03 28
 NO trebizond Jan-27-03 29
 I normally would think of it this way: ButterflyBlood Jan-27-03 30
   Another question: David__77 01/27/2003 46
 No, They've Been Pushed otohara Jan-27-03 31
 Fuck no!!! ElementaryPenguin Jan-27-03 32
 yes n/t bearfartinthewoods Jan-27-03 34
 Unequivocally NO. Tyler Durden Jan-27-03 35
 No, of course.... edzontar Jan-27-03 36
 At the risk of being redundant GumboYaYa Jan-27-03 38
 NO! Pastiche423 Jan-27-03 39
 No..... Punkingal Jan-27-03 41
 No indigo32 Jan-27-03 42
 No VancSouthpaw Jan-27-03 45
 NO! truth2power Jan-27-03 47
 NO! No way, no how! scarletwoman Jan-27-03 48
 NO! hedda_foil Jan-27-03 49
 Most definitely, under the right circumstances Joeve Jan-27-03 50
 NO.........I don't support this administration on basically everything... goforit Jan-27-03 51
 Not, not even if we found WMD librechik Jan-27-03 52
 wow waldenx Jan-27-03 53
 NO Marianne Jan-27-03 54
 If it was truly the UN's will rather than a ... Pepperbelly Jan-27-03 56
 I would hesitantly support action Walt Starr Jan-27-03 57
   Not just NO Pegleg Thd 01/27/2003 58
 Of course not! This will be a WAR CRIME!!! n/t mlawson Jan-27-03 59
 As my mother used to say Monica_L Jan-27-03 60
 Nope, it would be a coalition of the coerced at this point. tokenlib Jan-28-03 63
 NO noiretblu Jan-28-03 64
 Yes IF the UN and our Allies Piperay Jan-28-03 65
 NO! A Jan-28-03 68
 No, although I figure greatauntoftriplets Jan-28-03 71
 No, no, playahata1 Jan-28-03 73
 Yes sujan Jan-28-03 74
   First response ever on this board, so lets make it a good one angryindian 01/28/2003 75
       I appreciate your candor. David__77 01/28/2003 78
 Did You support Clinton is Bosnia 4dsc Jan-28-03 76
   NO WAR!!!!! newyawker99 01/28/2003 77

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RichM Donating Member (3070 posts) Click to EMail RichM Click to send private message to RichM Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-27-03, 02:56 PM (ET)
1. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
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Not ever!

A war undertaken under false pretenses can hardly be made "just" simply by strongarming the UN into "agreeing" with it.

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Jan-27-03, 04:01 PM (ET)
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37. No. I don't trust Chimpy, and this is an act of sheer aggression
It took us four days to defeat his army under Poppy. They are, by all accounts, even weaker now.

We are bullies, innocent Iraqis are going to die because Chimpy is either too stupid or too power-mad to respond to reality.

The "just because" war--as someone else said, we are going to war precisely BECAUSE we know they don't have WMD, because it will be a cake-walk. Korea is the example of how we treat rogue states that actually do have WMD.

We are bullies. I am so ashamed. And I hope no one I love gets taken down as collateral damage when that cowardly AWOL business failure's karma comes due.

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CWebster (754 posts) Click to EMail CWebster Click to send private message to CWebster Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-27-03, 02:57 PM (ET)
2. And
no.
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Jan-27-03, 02:57 PM (ET)
3. Any War would still be unjust
if it is not in response to an invasion or attack by Iraq.

But I would accept the decision of the world community.

Hopefully the U.N. would not allow an unjust war.

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Jan-27-03, 03:00 PM (ET)
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7. I agree with that

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David__77 (806 posts) Click to EMail David__77 Click to send private message to David__77 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-27-03, 03:01 PM (ET)
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12. I wouldn't count on the UN
Too many countries can be bought off or swindled. They want loans and aid, and better deals. This Gulf War II could prove very expensive. I am hopeful the UN will not approve such a war, but I think we should be prepared for it.
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Jan-27-03, 03:16 PM (ET)
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21. Hopefully...
England and France will not give Hitler Checkoslovakia.

It ain't gonna stop in Iraq.

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Jan-27-03, 03:36 PM (ET)
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27. so
you are willing to wait until we get hit again? I see this guy as a threat to the free world. He may not pull the trigger but he is more than willing to provide the methods to anyone that is willing die as long as they inflict pain on the U.S. and our friends.

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Jan-27-03, 02:57 PM (ET)
4. No, I would not
If the UN were to pass a resolution approving forceful military measures, I'd think the UN had either lost its collective mind or caved to the BFEE. Either way, I'm comfortable enough with my own sense of ethics that I'd disagree with war if I was the only lonely soul on the planet who felt that way. Fortunately, I'm not alone in this regard.
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Jan-27-03, 02:59 PM (ET)
5. NO!
The UN would have to be sell outs like the Supreme Court is!
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Jan-27-03, 03:00 PM (ET)
6. No.
For one thing, the UN is too susceptible to US pressure. Also, I am anti-war in general. I don’t believe that WAR encourages disarmament. I don’t believe that we can work on ways to replace war and wage war at the same time.



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Jan-27-03, 03:00 PM (ET)
8. Definitely oppose it
No War.
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Jan-27-03, 03:00 PM (ET)
9. NO
Any WAR would be unjust. If we go to WAR against Irag it would just be a slaughter. Is that what the United States is about.

Viet-Nam Vets Against the WAR

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Jan-27-03, 03:01 PM (ET)
10. No, and I have a more important question
If the UN approves, how can we possibly prevent an invasion of Iraq?

In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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Jan-27-03, 03:14 PM (ET)
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18. Indeed!
That is a very important question, and one that I'm quite worried about.
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Jan-28-03, 04:35 AM (ET)
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62. hi rbnyc
the hard fact is that the UN must relent or RISK wwIII...
they will eventually cave... evidence will be found that shows sadam is in violation...

remember the brits and us have been patrolling their skies without any UN mandate for over a decade...

either way these creeps are gonna take what's rightfully theirs... from their perspective, of course

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Jan-27-03, 03:48 PM (ET)
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33. Dear Sir,
I share your concern since I know personally all too well the dirty dealing these organizations have done in the past. What is prepared for America is beyond description. A nightmare of Orwelian proportion. These Prison are set for the free thinking Americans that don't belong to the ruling 'elite'. America will become the most controlled country in the world. The Stasi police with their redumentary classifiers pales in comparison to the eventual tracking of every individual citizen in America. Your ability to learn, work and marry will be controlled by the state.Why all of this? Shear evil and lust for power by those that are on top.
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