Bush spokesman's remarks aren't quite true, Italians say(Ari again)

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NNN0LHI (9558 posts) Jan-25-03, 07:44 PM (ET) Bush spokesman's remarks aren't quite true, Italians say(Ari again) http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/5026892.htm ROME - When the White House named Italy this week as a European country that could be counted on to support a U.S.-led war with Iraq, it came as a surprise to an important group of people. The Italians. Thursday's suggestion by President Bush's spokesman that Italy would join the United States in war, even in the absence of a U.N. agreement, was front-page news here yesterday, in part because it seemed to contradict Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's long-standing position that the United Nations must first agree to military intervention in Iraq.snip Gavino Angius, Senate whip for the largest opposition party, pounced on the White House declaration. "Neither the Italian government nor the Italian parliament had made a decision in this matter, but we hear from Fleischer this choice has already been made," he said. "We have a lot of questions. We cannot see the link between the fight against terrorism and the fight against the regime of Saddam Hussein. We have seen no evidence of the existence of weapons of mass destruction." Many Italians seem to share that view. more   Alert Edit | Reply | Top

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Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    Powell and Fleischer ThorsteinVeblen Jan-25-03 1  Whoops, better cross the Italians off my list..... LynneSin Jan-25-03 2    "The (plural noun) (verb), and then they..." Kitsune 01/25/2003 11  Bwwaaaaahahahahahaha Jacobin Jan-25-03 3  Another example of the unmitigated hubris of this bunch Eloriel Jan-25-03 4    I agree - but will the USMedia ever regain its ethics of the past papau 01/25/2003 9  I love it!! n/t latebloomer Jan-25-03 5  No wonder Powell Forkboy Jan-25-03 6  You know, who would be so stupid to put the Italians on the pro-war li... LynneSin Jan-25-03 7    Berlusconi = Rupert Murdoch central scrutinizer 01/25/2003 10  Ari Fleischer lied????? 2dumb2beprez Jan-25-03 8  One wonders how many others on Powell's list Dudley_DUright Jan-25-03 12  I'm shocked. Shocked... leftofthedial Jan-25-03 13  Wonderful! quinnox Jan-26-03 14  Lies, lies nothing but lies srats2 Jan-26-03 15  Germany,. rpf113 Jan-26-03 16  Right after the French/German declaration the other day oasis Jan-26-03 17

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ThorsteinVeblen (2353 posts) Jan-25-03, 07:47 PM (ET) 1. Powell and Fleischer Bitch slapped! Ouch! Fellas, how did that feel? -------------------------------------------- If you don't disagree with me, how will I know I'm right -- Samuel Goldwyn Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists - GK Chesterton   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

LynneSin (4658 posts) Jan-25-03, 07:48 PM (ET) 2. Whoops, better cross the Italians off my list..... I wonder if that is Italian or Eytalian....I need dickie here to help me out with my list. Geez, only 11 left - I wonder just how big the Army in Tonga really is and if they'll back us in the War Just my 2 cents - Lynne "Those who would trade Essential Liberty for the Illusion of Safety, Deserve NEITHER Liberty or Safety." - B. Franklin 'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - attrib to Edmund Burke 'No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.' - Edmund Burke Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I have issues with anyone who treats faith as a burden instead of a blessing. You people don't celebrate your faith; you mourn it. - Serendipity from Dogma What doesn't kill us will make us fight harder - LynneSin Howard Dean for President 2004   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Kitsune (311 posts) Jan-25-03, 08:34 PM (ET) Reply to post #2 11. "The (plural noun) (verb), and then they..." LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-03 AT 08:35 PM (ET) LAST EDITED ON Jan-25-03 AT 08:34 PM (ET) "Hyuk hyuk, these sure are funny words! I wish I could have found a MadLibs that weren't all filled in yet, though." I know it's not a caption thread, but the picture just spoke to me. --on edit: Dang typo demons. >_< ~Kitsune!™ ((expletive) bush!) Chronicling the anarchic death-spiral of Western Civilization since 1983! This world is made of...Love and Peace!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Jacobin (1733 posts) Jan-25-03, 07:48 PM (ET) 3. Bwwaaaaahahahahahaha Well well well. If this list of secret "allies" is as good as Smirk's list of secret information on WMD in Iraq, then I can understand why the focus on warmongering to be presented in the SOU speech is going to be removing: "outlaw regimes", as opposed to possessers of WMD. Credibility???? ooooooops. "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Eloriel (5229 posts) Jan-25-03, 07:50 PM (ET) 4. Another example of the unmitigated hubris of this bunch Or stupidity, I can't tell which. Maybe both. Ari apparently thinks that (1) because he gets away with his lies to the American media, he can lie about anything; (2) Italians won't ever heard his lies, or won't care, or will follow along like so many other people here in the U.S. follow along. LOL. I've also wondered many times, tho of course can't think of any examples at the moment, if the White House crew has ever heard of google or indeed understand much about the internet. They toss their lies out there as if they expect no one to ever find out. Of course, the PROBLEM is that journalists (sic) haven't apparently ever heard of google. Maybe that's what they know: that no one will bother to find out that their lies are lies, let alone report it. Eloriel First they ignore you Then the laugh at you Then they fight you Then you win. -- Ghandi   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

papau (2221 posts) Jan-25-03, 08:11 PM (ET) Reply to post #4 9. I agree - but will the USMedia ever regain its ethics of the past If it does, Bush is gone.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

latebloomer (936 posts) Jan-25-03, 07:51 PM (ET) 5. I love it!! n/t God is coming, and Is She Pissed!!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Forkboy (2848 posts) Jan-25-03, 07:51 PM (ET) 6. No wonder Powell wouldn't name the "dozen or so off the top of my head" that support the US...they dont exist To all the terror of fathers and kings To all the little dictators that shit on everything thats good To the whiners and the cryers, the screamers and the liars To the hypocrites who can't live up to all the things they talk about To the guilty and the proud I want to shout out loud No means no! - NoMeansNo   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

LynneSin (4658 posts) Jan-25-03, 07:56 PM (ET) 7. You know, who would be so stupid to put the Italians on the pro-war list? First, before we could get 5,000 to show up to a protest, Italians were getting 500,000 gathering for anti-war protests. And, the Pope has come out vehemtly against the war. Do you think devout Italian Catholics are going to NOT listen to the Pope? Geez, only an idiot would have mentioned Italy, wait, Bush is an idiot....go figure. To our friends from Italian - thanks for showing your support against the war! Just my 2 cents - Lynne "Those who would trade Essential Liberty for the Illusion of Safety, Deserve NEITHER Liberty or Safety." - B. Franklin 'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - attrib to Edmund Burke 'No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.' - Edmund Burke Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I have issues with anyone who treats faith as a burden instead of a blessing. You people don't celebrate your faith; you mourn it. - Serendipity from Dogma What doesn't kill us will make us fight harder - LynneSin Howard Dean for President 2004   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

central scrutinizer (351 posts) Jan-25-03, 08:20 PM (ET) Reply to post #7 10. Berlusconi = Rupert Murdoch They probably assumed since Berlusconi is roughly the equivalent of Murdoch, namely a right wing media tycoon, that they could count on him. Boy, if he doesn't fall in line, who will? It makes Tony Blair look even more like a lapdog.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

2dumb2beprez (241 posts) Jan-25-03, 08:07 PM (ET) 8. Ari Fleischer lied????? Oh my God! I'll alert the media!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Dudley_DUright (935 posts) Jan-25-03, 09:00 PM (ET) 12. One wonders how many others on Powell's list have that little caveat "we support you"* *but only with a UN vote for war. "Damn, this foreign policy is tricky with all this fine print" thinks the * himself. "So long as they don't get violent, I want to let everyone say what they wish, for I myself have always said exactly what pleased me." -- Albert Einstein Dudley DUright and his trusty steed Horse (media Horse?)   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

leftofthedial (225 posts) Jan-25-03, 10:59 PM (ET) 13. I'm shocked. Shocked... That Ari would tell a lie. "got to kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight" --B Cockburn   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

quinnox (200 posts) Jan-26-03, 03:31 AM (ET) 14. Wonderful! Thanks for this thread, this is why I love D.U. so much!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

srats2 (637 posts) Jan-26-03, 04:18 AM (ET) 15. Lies, lies nothing but lies Incredible that any one buys anything these radicals say "Someone very strange, with very little promise, has taken charge of the leadership of the great empire that we have as a neighbor...Hopefully he's not as stupid as he seems." - Fidel Castro (on George W. Bush) 1-26-01 "The war against terrorism is terrorism. The whole thing is just bullshit!" Woody Harrelson Source: Daily Mirror 154 million out of the 200 million voters in this country did NOT cast a vote for George W. Bush.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

rpf113 (1468 posts) Jan-26-03, 04:27 AM (ET) 16. Germany,. I'd love to see Bush count Germany as one of our firm allies. It would put that nation into chaos! "My constituency is the desperate, the damned, the disinherited, the disrespected and the despised...Never look down on anybody unless you're helping them up." --Jesse Jackson "When even one American-who has done nothing wrong-is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth-then all Americans are in peril. " --Harry S. Truman "Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day." Harry S. Truman “America: the land of wonder meetings and freak religions.”   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

oasis (2281 posts) Jan-26-03, 04:53 AM (ET) 17. Right after the French/German declaration the other day Powell tried to blunt the PR effect of the exit of the "coalition unwilling" by snatching up the Italian Foriegn Minister for a photo op.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

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