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CatWoman Donating Member (12754 posts) Click to EMail CatWoman Click to send private message to CatWoman Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-10-03, 02:18 PM (ET)
I'm wrong to feel this way, and I know it
But I can't help myself -- no way do I want to see the United States succeed in this "war" with Iraq.

This may sound traitorous to some. And I'll understand your flames.

But I am enraged at the thought of attacking a country for no reason at all. Well there is a reason. Maybe that's why I feel so strongly about this. The reason(s): greed -- for both oil and power.

Power corrupts.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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 I am in full agreement with you Voltaire Jan-10-03 1
 Immoral War Marymarg Jan-10-03 2
 Well we havent attacked anything yet Pltcl_jnky Jan-10-03 3
   you are fooling yourself Skittles 01/10/2003 10
       hope Pltcl_jnky 01/10/2003 47
       Bush has to find a way out of this mess... zanana 01/11/2003 95
   that would be a pretty expensive "message" to send... alg0912 01/11/2003 96
 the Bush cabal is an enemy of the United States of America arcane1 Jan-10-03 4
 I look at it differently -- there is no such thing as "success" in war... IrateCitizen Jan-10-03 5
   Hear Hear!!! perkypat23 01/10/2003 37
   Excellent, IC ProfessorGAC 01/10/2003 56
   Yes Rex 01/10/2003 86
 Why psyntist Jan-10-03 6
   Thank you, Psyntist CatWoman 01/10/2003 12
       Hi psyntist!! newyawker99 01/10/2003 88
       Your welcome psyntist 01/11/2003 99
 I agree with you sangha Jan-10-03 7
   Laughing my ass off at the visual this provides... IrateCitizen 01/10/2003 20
 Heck, my husband is military and I feel that way Solly Mack Jan-10-03 8
 Right on, CatWoman! dbt Jan-10-03 9
 well, we will EASILY defeat Iraq, but how will we defeat the rest of t... bpilgrim Jan-10-03 11
 I think the Bushies realize their mistake from Gulf War I. GOPisEvil Jan-10-03 13
 It's wrong because DS1 Jan-10-03 14
   do you mean the iraqi civilians... bpilgrim 01/10/2003 15
       regular people just like you and me DS1 01/10/2003 73
   The wrong people MSchreader 01/10/2003 17
 I really can't blame you Cujo Jan-10-03 16
 Aren't you ex-military? Clete Jan-10-03 18
   Yes, I am ex military CatWoman 01/10/2003 22
       well seekthetruth 01/10/2003 64
 go read the Mark Morford thread here trof Jan-10-03 19
 I'm trying to think of it this way ulysses Jan-10-03 21
   Hey Uly CatWoman 01/10/2003 31
       ROFL ulysses 01/10/2003 51
   Originally posted by ulysses rocknation 01/10/2003 32
   Correction JimWar 01/10/2003 78
       ? ulysses 01/10/2003 80
   90% of the soldiers want to be used by Bush* Bandit 01/10/2003 85
       most of them ulysses 01/11/2003 93
 I understand, but... a_random_joel Jan-10-03 23
   Supporting our troops CWebster 01/10/2003 33
       You misread me a_random_joel 01/10/2003 48
           True CWebster 01/10/2003 53
 You are not wrong to feel this way MSchreader Jan-10-03 24
 No Flames Here... perkypat23 Jan-10-03 25
 If loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be right. DrWeird Jan-10-03 26
   Hey!! Dr. W!!!! CatWoman 01/10/2003 28
 Aggressive war is immoral, period Lydia Leftcoast Jan-10-03 27
   Drop that weak "They hate us because we're free" BS Mr_SmokesTooMuch 01/10/2003 35
   That's why they hate us? DrWeird 01/10/2003 36
   You CANNOT be serious Voltaire 01/10/2003 39
 I understand, Catwoman, and I'll go you one further... GainesT1958 Jan-10-03 30
 wrong? hell no! nostamj Jan-10-03 34
   LoL! That was great! Blue_Chill 01/10/2003 40
   That's Not What A Thesaurus Is, nostamj! ProfessorGAC 01/10/2003 60
       hmm... gotta check that encyclopedia again n/t nostamj 01/10/2003 71
 RED FLAG!!! Blue_Chill Jan-10-03 38
   As if the world doesn't feel CWebster 01/10/2003 42
       hehe Blue_Chill 01/10/2003 46
   Not good enough Voltaire 01/10/2003 45
       I understand what you're saying but... Blue_Chill 01/10/2003 49
           A loss for us is only worse... DrWeird 01/10/2003 52
               um....no Blue_Chill 01/10/2003 58
 This war is wrong, so how can it be wrong to feel this way. KoKo01 Jan-10-03 41
 Wrong Schmong...your mixed feelings on Shrub's war ElGallo Jan-10-03 43
 I Agree, C.W. MamaBear Jan-10-03 54
   Oh boy, that hit the nail on the head. Eloriel 01/10/2003 79
 "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" and we absolutely have indepat Jan-10-03 55
 Unpatriotic ?? welshTerrier2 Jan-10-03 57
 Why isn't anyone worried about Korea? Sophia4Truth Jan-10-03 59
   I posted a thread on it. Clete 01/10/2003 63
 These are the feelings of a human being... txprog Jan-10-03 61
 I agree!! Although I don't a single American to get so much as a... ElementaryPenguin Jan-10-03 65
   What He Said !!! --- Right On EP, Right On Cat!!! WillyT 01/10/2003 68
 I dont want any Americans to die for a "success" or "failure"... Dr Fate Jan-10-03 66
   If driving SUVs means killing babies... DrWeird 01/10/2003 69
       Cat, I totally understand how you feel... Miss_Bevey 01/10/2003 72
   And because we use/need oil CatWoman 01/10/2003 70
       Cat, I'll go one step farther... Miss_Bevey 01/10/2003 74
           But wait, there's more... Miss_Bevey 01/10/2003 75
   This has nothing to do with 'fighting to live' Oaf Of Office 01/10/2003 77
 Me too, Cat Eloriel Jan-10-03 76
   "I'm sick of all the lies." Karenina 01/10/2003 82
 CatWoman.... Claire_beth Jan-10-03 81
 War Is A Racket bpilgrim Jan-10-03 83
 So what do you want to happen? UnapologeticLiberal Jan-10-03 84
   Please do enlighten us Karenina 01/10/2003 90
 No, you're not wrong knight_of_the_star Jan-10-03 87
 If the US attacks Iraq I want 9215 Jan-10-03 89
 CatWoman: Need I remind you that if the US does not succeed..... LiberalLibra Jan-10-03 91
   That's going to happen MSchreader 01/11/2003 92
 Bombs raining down on inocents ! NicRic Jan-11-03 94
 best scenario agincourt Jan-11-03 97
 You're RIGHT ON to feel this way, CatWoman, DemEx_pat Jan-11-03 98

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Voltaire Donating Member (412 posts) Click to EMail Voltaire Click to send private message to Voltaire Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-10-03, 02:20 PM (ET)
1. I am in full agreement with you
I hate to think what it may entail, but I feel that any quick victory will make matters worse for all of us. It will simply add to the hubris we are forced to witness each and every day.


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Jan-10-03, 02:22 PM (ET)
2. Immoral War
I agree, Catwoman. How can we "win" an immoral, if not illegal war? Looks like a lose/lose to me.
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Pltcl_jnky (109 posts) Click to EMail Pltcl_jnky Click to send private message to Pltcl_jnky Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-10-03, 02:22 PM (ET)
3. Well we havent attacked anything yet
right now it is an intimidation thing sending all the troops there....but if we go in without the inspectors finding anything concrete then it will indeed be a dark day....i wouldnt want to go as far as to say i would hope we would fail as that would mean our dead soldiers who only do what they are ordered to do....but it would be a huge black mark on our record.

if the UN finds something and they agree then fine and dandy. Or if we build up to "scare" hussein but never go in I am okay with that....but a preemptive first shot is just not right...

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Jan-10-03, 02:25 PM (ET)
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10. you are fooling yourself
if you think Dubya's intentions are anything but WAR WAR WAR. His is one disgusting SOB.
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Pltcl_jnky (109 posts) Click to EMail Pltcl_jnky Click to send private message to Pltcl_jnky Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-10-03, 03:03 PM (ET)
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47. hope
pure and simple hope that we do not attack without some sort of proof or violation or massive wrong doing
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Jan-11-03, 10:21 AM (ET)
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95. Bush has to find a way out of this mess...
without losing face. I don't believe for one minute that Tony Blair decided, on his own, to try to push the war back until autumn. I think this is a Bush-Cheney decision; that will give them more time to back out of a war without admitting to any mistakes. The idea of war with Iraq served Bush and his fellow
Republicans well last summer, before the elections. Now that they know they've created a monster, they have to do some fancy footwork to try to reverse the political damage.
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Jan-11-03, 10:29 AM (ET)
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96. that would be a pretty expensive "message" to send...
The mobilization of thousands of troops & associated equipment costs millions and millions of $$$. Wouldn't it be cheaper to send Saddam a Candygram saying, "Your Ass is Grass"?

We are in danger...

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Jan-10-03, 02:23 PM (ET)
4. the Bush cabal is an enemy of the United States of America
there is no shame at all in wanting to see them fail. By feeling this way, you are showing that you are a true patriot, of that word still has any meaning at all...


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Jan-10-03, 02:23 PM (ET)
5. I look at it differently -- there is no such thing as "success" in war...
only failure. There is no "winning" side -- only death and destruction. Whether more of that falls on our "side" or theirs is of no consequence. The very fact that it exists is proof enough of the utter failure of war.

If we attack and "win", all lose.
If we attack and "lose", all lose.
If we don't do anything, and Iraq attacks, all lose.

The only way that we really "win" is if nobody attacks and we begin to truly work to achieve peace among men (and women). Of course, we all know what the real chances of that occuring are....

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Jan-10-03, 02:55 PM (ET)
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37. Hear Hear!!!
Good powerful words...Thanx Irate!

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Jan-10-03, 03:21 PM (ET)
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56. Excellent, IC
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Jan-10-03, 07:44 PM (ET)
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86. Yes
LAST EDITED ON Jan-10-03 AT 07:45 PM (ET)

war means failure! Diplomacy is the only way. Two (or more) nations siting down and addressing their grievances towards one another. Then finding someway to come to a compromise that doesn't involve bloodshed. It can be done, we just have to be willing to rise above our more barbaric instincts.

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Jan-10-03, 02:23 PM (ET)
6. Why
Why do you feel you are wrong to feel this way? It make