I'm wrong to feel this way, and I know it

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CatWoman (12754 posts) Jan-10-03, 02:18 PM (ET) I'm wrong to feel this way, and I know it But I can't help myself -- no way do I want to see the United States succeed in this "war" with Iraq. This may sound traitorous to some. And I'll understand your flames. But I am enraged at the thought of attacking a country for no reason at all. Well there is a reason. Maybe that's why I feel so strongly about this. The reason(s): greed -- for both oil and power. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Restore Gore in 2004 Proud Member of the Grassy Knoll Society -- Atlanta Chapter No one can make you feel inferior without your permission -- Eleanor Roosevelt   Alert Edit | Reply | Top

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Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    I am in full agreement with you Voltaire Jan-10-03 1  Immoral War Marymarg Jan-10-03 2  Well we havent attacked anything yet Pltcl_jnky Jan-10-03 3    you are fooling yourself Skittles 01/10/2003 10        hope Pltcl_jnky 01/10/2003 47        Bush has to find a way out of this mess... zanana 01/11/2003 95    that would be a pretty expensive "message" to send... alg0912 01/11/2003 96  the Bush cabal is an enemy of the United States of America arcane1 Jan-10-03 4  I look at it differently -- there is no such thing as "success" in war... IrateCitizen Jan-10-03 5    Hear Hear!!! perkypat23 01/10/2003 37    Excellent, IC ProfessorGAC 01/10/2003 56    Yes Rex 01/10/2003 86  Why psyntist Jan-10-03 6    Thank you, Psyntist CatWoman 01/10/2003 12        Hi psyntist!! newyawker99 01/10/2003 88        Your welcome psyntist 01/11/2003 99  I agree with you sangha Jan-10-03 7    Laughing my ass off at the visual this provides... IrateCitizen 01/10/2003 20  Heck, my husband is military and I feel that way Solly Mack Jan-10-03 8  Right on, CatWoman! dbt Jan-10-03 9  well, we will EASILY defeat Iraq, but how will we defeat the rest of t... bpilgrim Jan-10-03 11  I think the Bushies realize their mistake from Gulf War I. GOPisEvil Jan-10-03 13  It's wrong because DS1 Jan-10-03 14    do you mean the iraqi civilians... bpilgrim 01/10/2003 15        regular people just like you and me DS1 01/10/2003 73    The wrong people MSchreader 01/10/2003 17  I really can't blame you Cujo Jan-10-03 16  Aren't you ex-military? Clete Jan-10-03 18    Yes, I am ex military CatWoman 01/10/2003 22        well seekthetruth 01/10/2003 64  go read the Mark Morford thread here trof Jan-10-03 19  I'm trying to think of it this way ulysses Jan-10-03 21    Hey Uly CatWoman 01/10/2003 31        ROFL ulysses 01/10/2003 51    Originally posted by ulysses rocknation 01/10/2003 32    Correction JimWar 01/10/2003 78        ? ulysses 01/10/2003 80    90% of the soldiers want to be used by Bush* Bandit 01/10/2003 85        most of them ulysses 01/11/2003 93  I understand, but... a_random_joel Jan-10-03 23    Supporting our troops CWebster 01/10/2003 33        You misread me a_random_joel 01/10/2003 48            True CWebster 01/10/2003 53  You are not wrong to feel this way MSchreader Jan-10-03 24  No Flames Here... perkypat23 Jan-10-03 25  If loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be right. DrWeird Jan-10-03 26    Hey!! Dr. W!!!! CatWoman 01/10/2003 28  Aggressive war is immoral, period Lydia Leftcoast Jan-10-03 27    Drop that weak "They hate us because we're free" BS Mr_SmokesTooMuch 01/10/2003 35    That's why they hate us? DrWeird 01/10/2003 36    You CANNOT be serious Voltaire 01/10/2003 39  I understand, Catwoman, and I'll go you one further... GainesT1958 Jan-10-03 30  wrong? hell no! nostamj Jan-10-03 34    LoL! That was great! Blue_Chill 01/10/2003 40    That's Not What A Thesaurus Is, nostamj! ProfessorGAC 01/10/2003 60        hmm... gotta check that encyclopedia again n/t nostamj 01/10/2003 71  RED FLAG!!! Blue_Chill Jan-10-03 38    As if the world doesn't feel CWebster 01/10/2003 42        hehe Blue_Chill 01/10/2003 46    Not good enough Voltaire 01/10/2003 45        I understand what you're saying but... Blue_Chill 01/10/2003 49            A loss for us is only worse... DrWeird 01/10/2003 52                um....no Blue_Chill 01/10/2003 58  This war is wrong, so how can it be wrong to feel this way. KoKo01 Jan-10-03 41  Wrong Schmong...your mixed feelings on Shrub's war ElGallo Jan-10-03 43  I Agree, C.W. MamaBear Jan-10-03 54    Oh boy, that hit the nail on the head. Eloriel 01/10/2003 79  "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" and we absolutely have indepat Jan-10-03 55  Unpatriotic ?? welshTerrier2 Jan-10-03 57  Why isn't anyone worried about Korea? Sophia4Truth Jan-10-03 59    I posted a thread on it. Clete 01/10/2003 63  These are the feelings of a human being... txprog Jan-10-03 61  I agree!! Although I don't a single American to get so much as a... ElementaryPenguin Jan-10-03 65    What He Said !!! --- Right On EP, Right On Cat!!! WillyT 01/10/2003 68  I dont want any Americans to die for a "success" or "failure"... Dr Fate Jan-10-03 66    If driving SUVs means killing babies... DrWeird 01/10/2003 69        Cat, I totally understand how you feel... Miss_Bevey 01/10/2003 72    And because we use/need oil CatWoman 01/10/2003 70        Cat, I'll go one step farther... Miss_Bevey 01/10/2003 74            But wait, there's more... Miss_Bevey 01/10/2003 75    This has nothing to do with 'fighting to live' Oaf Of Office 01/10/2003 77  Me too, Cat Eloriel Jan-10-03 76    "I'm sick of all the lies." Karenina 01/10/2003 82  CatWoman.... Claire_beth Jan-10-03 81  War Is A Racket bpilgrim Jan-10-03 83  So what do you want to happen? UnapologeticLiberal Jan-10-03 84    Please do enlighten us Karenina 01/10/2003 90  No, you're not wrong knight_of_the_star Jan-10-03 87  If the US attacks Iraq I want 9215 Jan-10-03 89  CatWoman: Need I remind you that if the US does not succeed..... LiberalLibra Jan-10-03 91    That's going to happen MSchreader 01/11/2003 92  Bombs raining down on inocents ! NicRic Jan-11-03 94  best scenario agincourt Jan-11-03 97  You're RIGHT ON to feel this way, CatWoman, DemEx_pat Jan-11-03 98

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Voltaire (412 posts) Jan-10-03, 02:20 PM (ET) 1. I am in full agreement with you I hate to think what it may entail, but I feel that any quick victory will make matters worse for all of us. It will simply add to the hubris we are forced to witness each and every day. It takes a special kind of stupid to be a reichwinger America's Calling....Harry Truman! Harry will you please come home? A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything. Malcom X THINK! THINK! IT AIN'T ILLEGAL YET!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Marymarg (218 posts) Jan-10-03, 02:22 PM (ET) 2. Immoral War I agree, Catwoman. How can we "win" an immoral, if not illegal war? Looks like a lose/lose to me.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Pltcl_jnky (109 posts) Jan-10-03, 02:22 PM (ET) 3. Well we havent attacked anything yet right now it is an intimidation thing sending all the troops there....but if we go in without the inspectors finding anything concrete then it will indeed be a dark day....i wouldnt want to go as far as to say i would hope we would fail as that would mean our dead soldiers who only do what they are ordered to do....but it would be a huge black mark on our record. if the UN finds something and they agree then fine and dandy. Or if we build up to "scare" hussein but never go in I am okay with that....but a preemptive first shot is just not right...   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Skittles (8023 posts) Jan-10-03, 02:25 PM (ET) Reply to post #3 10. you are fooling yourself if you think Dubya's intentions are anything but WAR WAR WAR. His is one disgusting SOB.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Pltcl_jnky (109 posts) Jan-10-03, 03:03 PM (ET) Reply to post #10 47. hope pure and simple hope that we do not attack without some sort of proof or violation or massive wrong doing   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

zanana (584 posts) Jan-11-03, 10:21 AM (ET) Reply to post #10 95. Bush has to find a way out of this mess... without losing face. I don't believe for one minute that Tony Blair decided, on his own, to try to push the war back until autumn. I think this is a Bush-Cheney decision; that will give them more time to back out of a war without admitting to any mistakes. The idea of war with Iraq served Bush and his fellow Republicans well last summer, before the elections. Now that they know they've created a monster, they have to do some fancy footwork to try to reverse the political damage.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

alg0912 (1797 posts) Jan-11-03, 10:29 AM (ET) Reply to post #3 96. that would be a pretty expensive "message" to send... The mobilization of thousands of troops & associated equipment costs millions and millions of $$$. Wouldn't it be cheaper to send Saddam a Candygram saying, "Your Ass is Grass"? We are in danger...   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

arcane1 (1614 posts) Jan-10-03, 02:23 PM (ET) 4. the Bush cabal is an enemy of the United States of America there is no shame at all in wanting to see them fail. By feeling this way, you are showing that you are a true patriot, of that word still has any meaning at all... Sheep are running scared tonight The cows are coming home They cling together terrified Afraid to be alone They don't know who to run to They don't know where to go Unless you tell them what to think They don't know what they know Repeating the commercial Something they have heard From someone, something, somewhere else Somebody good with words They're looking for someone They're looking for Christ They're looking for some human sacrifice Concrete Blonde "Jonestown" dedicated to freeps and repubs all over this great land Proud member of the Grassy Knoll Society, Bay Area chapter   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

IrateCitizen (3316 posts) Jan-10-03, 02:23 PM (ET) 5. I look at it differently -- there is no such thing as "success" in war... only failure. There is no "winning" side -- only death and destruction. Whether more of that falls on our "side" or theirs is of no consequence. The very fact that it exists is proof enough of the utter failure of war. If we attack and "win", all lose. If we attack and "lose", all lose. If we don't do anything, and Iraq attacks, all lose. The only way that we really "win" is if nobody attacks and we begin to truly work to achieve peace among men (and women). Of course, we all know what the real chances of that occuring are.... Chris Harrison Mt. Kisco, NY JOIN THE FIGHT FOR CLEAN ELECTIONS!!! http://www.citizenactionny.org/election.html http://www.commoncause.org "Do not worry over the charge of treason to your masters, but be concerned about the treason that involves yourselves. Be true to yourself and you cannot be a traitor to any good cause on earth." - Eugene Victor Debs, 6/16/1918 speech at Canton, OH "Democracy is not a state in which people act like sheep." - M.K. Gandhi "You have President Bush out there saying that he wants transparency and accountability on behalf of Fortune 500 CEOs. I would like some transparency and accountability on behalf of, you know, President Bush and his workers, who were the individuals that failed my husband and the 3,000 other people that day." - Kristen Breitweiser, Sept. 11 widow   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

perkypat23 (158 posts) Jan-10-03, 02:55 PM (ET) Reply to post #5 37. Hear Hear!!! Good powerful words...Thanx Irate! "Iraqis, I think, feel that if we drove smaller cars, maybe we wouldn’t have to kill them for their oil.” -- Bill Maher   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

ProfessorGAC (1792 posts) Jan-10-03, 03:21 PM (ET) Reply to post #5 56. Excellent, IC The Professor   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Rex (1574 posts) Jan-10-03, 07:44 PM (ET) Reply to post #5 86. Yes LAST EDITED ON Jan-10-03 AT 07:45 PM (ET) war means failure! Diplomacy is the only way. Two (or more) nations siting down and addressing their grievances towards one another. Then finding someway to come to a compromise that doesn't involve bloodshed. It can be done, we just have to be willing to rise above our more barbaric instincts. "10 cats, 4 dogs - one more and I'll need to build an Ark" http://punkinhaid.tripod.com/Personal/pets.html   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

psyntist (17 posts) Jan-10-03, 02:23 PM (ET) 6. Why Why do you feel you are wrong to feel this way? It make