39||0|0yes 0|0|New low for %22patriotism%22|ded||11:59:03|03/10/2003|I just saw this on CNN. A woman wore a stars and stripes wedding gown and she and her groom said the Pledge of Allegiance in addition to their wedding vows. %22She wanted to show her support for President Bush.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Blink%3Awww.dedspace.blogspot.com%7CDED Space%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.princesscafe.com%7CPrincess Cafe%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D 1|1|Ugh...exceuse me while I...|GOPisEvil||12:02:55|03/10/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-03 AT 12:06 PM (ET)[/font][p]%3Apuke%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AI love this country a whole lot%2C but that is just TOO MUCH. Think about when the truth comes out about him and his dealings %28as it will%2C eventually%29. What are you going to think of your wedding dress then%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AArgh%21 EXCUSE%21%21%21%21 Darned typos%21 x%28%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Bmarquee direction%3Dright%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhome.attbi.com%2F%7Ematcom%2Fgolf.gif %5B%2Fmarquee%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 2|1|Reminds Me of Nazi Weddings|RationalRose||12:05:34|03/10/2003|Where the bride and groom wore armbands and celebrated their nuptials with German marching songs.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DIf you want to know what God thinks of money%2C just look at the people he gave it to.%0D%0ADorothy Parker%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 4|2|Very much so|flamingyouth||12:19:17|03/10/2003|Truly creepy. Ugh.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22At no point during the Vietnam years was I as depressed about this country %0D%0Aas I am now. I was drafted and served in Vietnam.%22%0D%0A%7E Lex Patton%2C NYC%2C in a letter to the New York Times%2C March 8%2C 2003%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|2 5|2|My God%2C that is what popped into my mind. |izzie||12:19:41|03/10/2003|This nationism is just getting out of hand. |2 17|2|Wonder how long it will be|Best_man23||17:37:28|03/10/2003|Before people will have to undergo background checks%2C like the brides of SS soldiers%2C to be sure they are free of %22taint%22 as defined by the BFEE.|2 18|2|Yet another coincidence with Nazi Germany in the thirties..|tokenlib||17:49:10|03/10/2003|Just because Bush hasn%27t a parallel to the holocaust--is no reason for us to ignore the other parallels to his regime and Germany in the thirties. It really is food for thought.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23dc143c%22 size%3D%222%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have too much. It is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.%22 --FDR %28one of Paul Wellstone%27s favorites%29 %5B%2Ffont%5D|2 38|2|Bush is to Hitler as Rove is to Himmler%2C and they all are Nazis%21|connors||23:11:10|03/11/2003|Cynical%2C clinical characterization of 43%92s cunningly constructed%2C calculated for confusion%2C Iraq re-dux%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0ACNN%27s Bruce Morton reports some critics cite TV coverage%2C specifically Cable TV%2C for pushing a link between Iraq and al Qaeda without an apparent %27smoking gun.%27 This is HERR ROVE%27s strategy. He stole it from Hitler%92s%2C HERR Heinrich Himmler%2C who was the master propagandist of the 20th century. Just as Himmler%92s charismatic puppet Hitler%2C incited the Germans to fight the entire world%2C HERR ROVE%27s foolish role model for the hugely disinterested American%2C 43%2C is campaigning for a replay of the Crusades of the Middle Ages. 43 is bringing us back to the %93Dark Ages%94 via his controller%92s%2C HERR ROVE%27s duplicitous use of the GOP controlled media. With allies such as Murdoch%92s man%2C FOX%92s Roger Allies%2C who wrote 43 love letters immediately after 9-11 patiently%2C clearly instructing the dunce how to manipulate the masses%2C for his evil interests%2C how can HERR ROVE fail%3F The 43 crew%2C with the help of the GOP controlled mass media%2C with FOX at the forefront%2C not only controls what the dunces see%2C they control what the drones think as well. That the drooling fools believe there is a link between Iraq and al Qaeda%2C without a shred of evidence%2C is logical if you consider that most of our citizens%2C typically don%92t even know who the presidential candidates are a week before the election. HERR ROVE has intimate knowledge of all the lies that 43 got away with in his political career%2C including his presidency. HERR ROVE knows that if a trusting idiot hears the same lie a few times%2C from that nice 43%2C 41%92s boy after all%2C it becomes the truth. They not only swallow the tripe%2C hook line and sinker%2C they will defend it to their death%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AIn the moderate coverage as in CNN%92s Bruce Morton%92s piece%2C %93Selling an Iraq-al Qaeda connection--Some critics blame TV news for making Baghdad new enemy%94%2C of Tuesday%2C March 11%2C 2003%2C he states%2C %0D%0A %93The Iraqi president repeatedly has denied any connection between his %0D%0A government and bin Laden%27s terrorist network. %22If we had a relationship %0D%0A with al Qaeda and if we believed in this relationship%2C we wouldn%27t be %0D%0A ashamed to admit it%2C%22 Saddam said in a recent interview on British %0D%0A television. %22The answer is no. We do not have any relationship with al %0D%0A Qaeda.%22 %0D%0A Bin Laden recently declared solidarity with the Iraqi people%2C but he %0D%0A lashed out at Saddam%27s government. In the latest audiotaped message %0D%0A purported to be recorded by the al Qaeda leader%2C bin Laden denounced %0D%0A Saddam%27s socialist Baath party as %22infidels.%22 %0D%0AThere is little doubt here in this middle of the road U.S. source is there%3F The two interested parties say they hate each other. Also%2C the CIA says that%2C and additionally speculates that Hussein would not give his WMD to terrorists because he wants them for his use only and would consider that the U.S. would nuke him back to the stone ages if they could connect his WMD with a terrorist attack.%0D%0A%0D%0AIn the foreign media it is a completely different story being told. Where here there are tortured debates as to how 43 is good and acting in the best interests of the U.S. in particular and the world as a whole%2C foreign coverage of him tends toward complete disgust with the foolish American cowboy. They hate his dependence on religion%2C which they classify as a messianic complex and his lack of depth%2C particularly as regards the Middle East. They hate him for many other reasons including%2C but not limited to%2C his breaking of every international treaty he has come across%2C his opening up the nuclear arms race by ending the ABM treaty%2C and last%2C but not least%2C our European allies have a substantial percentage of Muslim citizens%2C and therefore can%92t support a preemptive war against the Islamic Iraqi regime. %0D%0A%0D%0AWho is pushing this Iraq-al Qaeda connection and why%3F%0D%0ANot even 43%92s chief foreign ally%2C Tony Blair%2C can get himself to echo this garbage. Only 43%92s crew%2C the neo-con hawks%2C the moribund heartless crowd%2C with Cheney%2C who this heartlessness is a double-entendre%2C can get their lips to form these lies. WHY%3F The possible motivations are endless%2C and all of them are evil. Top among them are the oil%2C the fact that Cheney%92s Halliburton has a contract in place for the reconstruction of Iraq%2C and last%2C and also the most evil%2C is that once they are ensconced in Iraq%2C they can use it as a base for occupying other Middle East countries. The neo-con hawks%2C Perle%2C Wolfowitz%2C et al%2C salivate over this possibility.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AHOW CAN THIS HAPPEN%3F WHY WOULDN%92T IT%2C GIVEN THE GULLIBILITY OF OUR U.S. POPULATION%2C AND THE GUILE WITH WHICH THE GOP MANIPULATED THEM%3F%0D%0AHow could the Nazis plan to kill 11%2C000%2C000 Jewish souls in their planned European Genocide%3F How can 43%92s team now%2C against the plain desires of the entire world%2C including our long-standing European allies%2C plan to attack Iraq%3F For Hitler%92s savage swine%2C their clandestine goal%2C their %93big lie%94%2C was dependent on manipulating the masses of Germany into believing that their Third Reich would benefit each German. Notice what 43 is saying about his goal for the occupation of Iraq%3F He is saying%2C with no factual support%2C that his occupation will be good for the typical U.S. citizen. How dare he lie to us like that%3F What gives him the courage to do so%3F HERR ROVE%27s study of Hitler%92s Germany is the answer%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AHimmler%2C infamous in the Nazi SS organization and the principle planner of the Nazi%92s Final Solution%2C will never be matched in his sheer villainy%2C but HERR ROVE%92s plan to destroy Iraq yet again%2C when considered objectively%2C is also truly evil. HERR ROVE and his dupes have been downplaying the U.N.%2C our allies%2C and the ensuing increase of hatred by Islamic nations for the U.S. since the beginning of this propaganda campaign. WHY%3F To this evil crew only the next election matters%21 By 2004%2C the body bags will have been a distant memory to our citizens%2C and 43 can win re-election even though the world might consider him a mass murderer of innocent Iraqis%2C who our soulless cable TV shows%2C will label%2C as collateral damage.%0D%0A%0D%0ATHE U.S. IS HEADING FOR A FALL IF WE DON%92T RETURN TO ACCEPTING THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY%21%0D%0ADid you ever hear about the %22fall of the Roman Empire%22%3F The masses became decadent%2C beer swilling fools%2C and the rulers did as they wished. Rome%27s huge military over-extended itself and the barbarians conquered them.%0D%0A%0D%0ARelate the Roman masses to our red state voters. The demographic similarities between our %22dumbed down citizens%22 and their ancient precursors%2C are astonishing.%0D%0AWe have huge segments of the society who are %22disinterested%22 in everything other than their leisure activities%2C which can be charitably classified as serving the %22opiate of the masses%22 theory of population control that the GOP has perpetually championed.%0D%0A%0D%0AWhat is the difference between the Catholic gladiators of ancient Rome and the Islamic terrorists of today%3F Today%27s human sacrifice has no chance against the U.S. military might. The Catholic gladiators of ancient Rome hypothetically believed in turning another cheek%2C Christ%27s teaching%2C but the U.S. imperialist thrust into the Middle East has justifiably caused the militant%2C Islamic jihadists to hate 43 and all of us%2C his minions.%0D%0A%0D%0AVALID REALITY THAT OUR U.S. MEDIA IS IGNORING%3A%0D%0A1%09Article VI of the Nuremburg Charter defines %22Crimes Against Peace%22 as %22planning%2C preparation%2C initiation or waging of war of aggression%2C or a war in violation of international treaties . . . or participation in a common plan or conspiracy . . . to wage an aggressive war.%94. This corresponds directly to 43%92s plans for Iraq%21%0D%0A%0D%0A2%09If the US attacks Iraq without support of the UN Security Council%2C then does the procedure called %22Uniting for Peace%2C%22 in which the UN General Assembly can demand an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal%2C concern 43%92s team%3F It should because the U.S. has been the nation to use it the most in the ten times it has been invoked.%0D%0A%0D%0A3 %09What about the fact that Ramsey Clark%2C the Former Attorney General of the United States of America on January 15%2C 2003%2C bravely stepped forward with his Articles of Impeachment of President George W. Bush Vice President Richard B. Cheney Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld and Attorney General John David Ashcroft. Does this concern 43%92s team%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A4%09Tony Blair is skating on thin ice. 19%25 of English citizens are behind this war%2C if there is no 2nd U.N. resolution. Blair%92s support for 43 is diminishing as his poll numbers slide. This is our big ally%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AIn the foreign media these concerns are not pushed aside. Here we distort reality to benefit 43. This happens frequently%2C particularly now with masses of our soldiers%2C as well as Iraqi citizens%2C soon facing the probability of being slaughtered. 43%92s manipulation of our thoughts couldn%92t allow these concerns to register. A huge%2C but typical example of this was 43%92s%2C recent%2C but only the latest of many%2C scripted news conferences. How can a country that supposedly has a free press allow this travesty to occur%3F This slick farce%2C in which the selected correspondents were told to stick to the script or face being ostracized by 43%2C didn%92t happen in the land of the free and the home of the brave. I must be in a bad dream%21%0D%0A%0D%0AFOREIGN PRESS%0D%0AIn an Afghan News Network%2C article%2C %93Ivanov in Kabul for war talks%94 %2C which details separate talks between Russian and Iranian diplomats and later between Russian and Afghanistan diplomats%2C these quotes%2C%0D%0A%0D%0A %93 Mr Ivanov will meet Afghan President Hamid Karzai in the capital Kabul%2C as %0D%0A well as the country%27s foreign and defence ministers. %0D%0A%0D%0A Russia%2C France and Germany are engaged in intensive diplomacy%2C in what %0D%0A appears to be a last-ditch attempt to avert war. %0D%0A%0D%0A Russian politicians have also been increasingly critical of the US track %0D%0A record in Afghanistan%2C where Soviet troops fought an abortive campaign %0D%0A against guerrillas in the 1980s. %0D%0A%0D%0A Very little has been achieved there by way of a post-war settlement%2C they %0D%0A say%2C and Washington is increasingly frustrated by this situation. %0D%0A%0D%0A It was an issue raised in Mr Ivanov%27s meetings with senior Iranian leaders %0D%0A on Monday. %0D%0A%0D%0A Russia and Iran have already voiced concern over the reported attempts by %0D%0A the Taleban and al-Qaeda to regroup their forces in the region. %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A Another area of common concern for Moscow and Tehran is post-war %0D%0A settlement in Iraq%2C should it be attacked by the United States. %0D%0A%0D%0A They believe it is going to be even more difficult than the reconstruction %0D%0A of Afghanistan. %0D%0A%0D%0A Iran fears the rise of Kurdish separatism across the region if the present %0D%0A regime in Baghdad collapses%2C and last%2C but not least%2C there are fears that %0D%0A Iran may be the next on the US list of targets after Iraq.%94 show what the Afghanistan people .think about how well our occupation of that country is going and how they assume the same%2C if not worse. will occur in Iraq. Also%2C the people of Iran assume that the U.S. is actually using the occupation of Iraq as launching pad for imperialistic ventures throughout the Middle East. You don%92t see these articles being discussed in the U.S. media. WHY NOT%3F Why wouldn%92t the press assume that it would be a good idea to see what the people in the affected area think%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AThey know the answer%2C and if they act ethically and publish their findings%2C then 43 won%92t allow them to have their noses up his butt. If you are not leading the view is always the same%2C some GOP thugs butt%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0ABob Connors%0D%0AN323c%40erols.com%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dpseudo-nomme pen-name alf landon%5B%2Ffont%5D|2 3|1|Even money.....|Archae||12:11:14|03/10/2003|In a few years%2C %28at most%2C%29 these two %22patriotic%22 people will be getting a divorce%2C due to one or both cheating.%0D%0AI mean%2C that is the GOP way. %3A-%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DHumans are not the pinnacle of creation. Cats are.%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 6|1|But can she name the number of Articles in The Constitution%3F|Poll_Blind||12:23:37|03/10/2003| Probably not. I am amazed how many paople dare call themselves patriots who have never been introduced to The Constitution%2C save through a host like O%27Reilley or Blitzer or any number of the other clergy who divine it for us when all we have to do is read it %5Bi%5Dourselves%5B%2Fi%5D%28it%27s less than 20 pages for shit%27s sake%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A The only way I can percieve to break this mindless trance among the uncaring is to cut to the heart of the matter and challenge directly the patriotism of the individual by their lack of knowledge about what they claim so reverently they fight for. %0D%0A%0D%0A %22Patriots%22 who don%27t know The Consitution are just monarchists in Liberty%27s drag.%0D%0A%0D%0APB%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DWar can yet be prevented%2C but we all must pitch in. If you haven%27t gone to a demonstration yet%2C do so at your next possible chance. You%27ll be releived and glad you did. If we don%27t stop this war before it starts%2C we may have more problems on our hands than we can imagine.%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 7|1|Ewww......|Jen72||12:26:20|03/10/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-03 AT 12:26 PM (ET)[/font][p]I suppose they will Fuck on their honeymoon under a picture of Dubya on a four posterbed drapped with the Stars and Stripes. %0D%0A%3Apuke%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A|0 9|2|But first...|blackcat77||12:45:16|03/10/2003|The must clothe her obscene bazoomers with a patriotic blue curtain lest she arouse un-Christian lust in her husband.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fhome.insightbb.com%2F%7Eblackcat-77%2Fempire.gif%5B%2Ffont%5D|7 12|3|Not to worry--he%27s Jewish%21|ded||12:56:26|03/10/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-03 AT 12:57 PM (ET)[/font][p]I don%27t know if she is.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Blink%3Awww.dedspace.blogspot.com%7CDED Space%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.princesscafe.com%7CPrincess Cafe%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D|9 11|2|but only for procreative purposes|northzax||12:50:31|03/10/2003|like good christians should.|7 13|2|%2Ahurl%2A|Seneca||13:05:21|03/10/2003|%3Apuke%3A %3Ahurts%3A Thanks for THAT image%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Bcenter%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbs.org%2Fempires%2Fromans%2Fimages%2Fseneca.jpg%0D%0A%5Bb%5D%5Bfont color%3D%22maroon%22%5D%22An unpopular rule is never long maintained.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%22It is a denial of justice not to stretch out a helping hand to the fallen%3B that is the common right of humanity.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bb%5D-- Seneca %285 B.C. - 65 A.D.%29%5B%2Fcenter%5D%5B%2Fb%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D|7 36|2|Don%27t say things like that%21|DarkPhenyx||20:36:57|03/11/2003|You%27ll put me off sex for at least a year with images like that.|7 8|1|AMERIKA%21%21%21%21 UBER ALLES%21%21%21%21%21 AMERIKA%21%21%21%21 UBER ALLES%21%21%21%21|DrGonzoLives||12:33:30|03/10/2003|Did they goose-step around and burn some books%2C too%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%0D%0A%0D%0A%22It%27s a bit embarrassing to have been concerned with the human problem all one%27s life and find at the end that one has no more to offer by way of advice than %27try to be a little kinder.%27 %22 - Aldous Huxley%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 10|1|HEY%2C let%27s go back to FEUDALISM%3A the LAIRD gets first shot%21|Tyler Durden||12:49:35|03/10/2003|Back in the feudal times%2C the lord of the manor got first whack at every newly married virgin in his fiefdom.%0D%0A%0D%0AMaybe that%27s what George is shooting for...%3F %0D%0A%0D%0AMay his dick rot off. %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%22Is the Russia of the late Romanovs really our model%2C a selfish%2C superstitious empire thrashing toward self-destruction in the name of a doomed status quo%3F%22%0D%0A John Brady Kiesling%2C in his resignation letter%2C 2%2F27%2F03%0D%0A%0D%0A%22In history%2C whenever the Ruling Elite styles itself like the Imperial Romanovs and starts treating the people like serfs%2C these new serfs invent %27Bolsheviks%2C%27 create a %27Lenin%2C%27 line these %27Romanovs%27 up against a wall%2C shoots them and dump their dismembered bodies down the nearest well. The most amazing part%2C is that these fools don%27t have the first clue as to the reason why they%27re being executed.%22%0D%0A Tyler Durden%2C spoken at various times over the last 10 years%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fooze.com%2Ffinger%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Fmmouses.gif%0D%0AIs this clear enough for you%2C George%3F%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 26|2|not a chance...|mitchum||19:34:29|03/10/2003|I%27ll bet money that %2A will never be involved in a %22sex scandal%22 Has nothing to do with his %22character%22. All of the twit%27s interests are pre-adolescent- videogames%2C baseball%2C playing soldier...|10 39|2|%22Right of the First Night%22...LOL%21 Too bad Chimpy%27s tool%27s dull...|BiggJawn||23:12:39|03/11/2003|Well%2C maybe %22lost all it%27s Temper%22 would be more accurate...%0D%0A%0D%0AThat%27s RIGHT%2C Freepies%2C I called your HERO a %22Limp-Dick%22....%0D%0A%0D%0A%3Csigh%3E I never get Hate Mail....%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.lunge.dk%2Fkors.gif Achtung Deutschlanders%21 Ich Lieb Dich%21 Ich Lieb nicht Bush und Rumsfeld%21%0D%0AKommt%2C wir trinken einen Bier zusammen%21%5B%2Ffont%5D|10 14|1|How nice- when is she going to enlist to fight this war%3F|Redleg||13:14:28|03/10/2003|Proof that there are more horses asses than there are horses.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22I do not need to explain why I say things. %97 That%27s the interesting thing about being the President. %97 Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something%2C but I don%27t feel like I owe anybody an explanation.%22%0D%0A- G.W. Bush%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 15|1|I was once an usher at a wedding|Squeech||13:37:43|03/10/2003|And of course this meant I had to go out and rent a tuxedo%2C to look just like the other ushers.%0D%0A%0D%0AIf you haven%27t had the pleasure%2C here%27s how it works. You get your measurements taken several weeks in advance at your local tux rental shop. %28They%27ll do this as a courtesy.%29 You send your measurements to the shop where the happy couple %28more likely%2C the bride%27s mother%29 has decided to have supply the tuxedos. You show up for your one and only fitting the day before the event%2C and they baste up any obvious errors%2C and you take it away for the photo session and %28as an afterthought%29 the wedding itself.%0D%0A%0D%0AWhat I remember about it was the amazing range of fabrics they had available for the accessories%3A cummerbunds %28those things they clasp about your waist%29%2C handkerchiefs and%2For neckties. The silliest I remember was%2C you could get a fabric with Coke bottles and logos on a black background%2C or Pepsi%2C or Budweiser beer. I thought it would be the nadir of taste to get married festooned in Budweiser logos. %28Even worse than the flag.%29%0D%0A%0D%0AThe wedding party I was involved with had settled on a simple teal green. Not my color%2C but it wasn%27t my problem.|0 16|2|You%27ve hit on one of my pet peeves|ded||13:43:24|03/10/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-03 AT 01:44 PM (ET)[/font][p]The %5Bu%5Donly%5B%2Fu%5D acceptable color for men%27s formal accessories is black%2C and the only acceptable color for shirts is white%2C with a few gray exceptions.%0D%0A%0D%0AI had an afternoon wedding%2C and I practically had to choke the formalwear people to make them order the proper afternoon formal clothing for men. The afternoon formal attire for men is oxford gray cutaway coat%2C light gray waistcoat and striped gray or black trousers%2C with a regular-collar shirt and four-in-hand or ascot. They had %5Bi%5Dnever heard%5B%2Fi%5D of it%2C and kept trying to rent us the eveningwear. Finally%2C someone ordered it for me. %0D%0A%0D%0AWhat is the point of having a wedding %28meaning something of a traditional nature%29 if you%27re going to be tacky%3F All that money...%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Blink%3Awww.dedspace.blogspot.com%7CDED Space%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.princesscafe.com%7CPrincess Cafe%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D|15 19|1|Did she come down the aisle to a Lee Greenewood song%3F|underpants||17:57:07|03/10/2003|Uggh%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D________________________________________________________________________________%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bmarquee%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fforum.fuckedcompany.com%2Fubb%2Fbanana.gif http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wordybug.com%2Fimages%2FUnderpants%25202.gif http%3A%2F%2Fforum.fuckedcompany.com%2Fubb%2Fbanana.gif%5B%2Fmarquee%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 20|2|Clarification|dolgoruky||18:12:53|03/10/2003|Now I%27m just an ignorant Brit from Old Europe who%27s never been to the US%2C but how common is this sort of thing%2C and is it regional%2C or what%3F Are African Americans given to spams of cheesy patriotism%3F Any answers%3F Thanks a lot.|19 25|3|it%27s not really that common|bookworm65t||18:44:53|03/10/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Mar-10-03 AT 06:48 PM (ET)[/font][p]%5Bfont size%3D%221%22 color%3D%22%23FF0000%22%5DLAST EDITED ON Mar-10-03 AT 06%3A45%A0PM %28ET%29%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%0D%0Awhen it comes to their wedding day%2C most couples here in the US care about making it special for themselves%2C their families and friends. This couple obviously wanted their names and pictures in the paper. What a cheesy stunt %3Apuke%3A|20 31|3|Interesting question... No%2C they are not... Many still feel|Billy_Pilgrim||23:22:13|03/10/2003|as if the election was stolen and yearn for Bill Clinton to come back. It seems as if most of the new propoganda for this pseudo-patriotism is aimed at the same people who love %22Reality%22 TV and think London is a suburb of NYC. The typical American seems to be getting thicker and thicker.%0D%0A%0D%0ABy the way%2C would you please come and take Ozzie Osbourne back%3F %0D%0A%0D%0APeace.%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.knology.net%2F%7Erareandfirsts%2Fmonkeybush.jpg%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bb%5D%5Bi%5DAdopt a Peace Monkey today%21|20 21|1|who doesn%27t |Braden||18:14:43|03/10/2003|like bush on thier wedding night%3F %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.waste.uk.com%2FStore%2Fnewimages%2F91.jpg%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 22|1|Way to totally cheapen the concept of marriage|Kitsune||18:20:40|03/10/2003|by tying it to politics. %0D%0A%0D%0AI%27m going to go be sick now and try to forget that I ever read about this. %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Bfont size%3D1%5D%7EKitsune%21%99 %28that%27s twice in 10 minutes...not a good day for news today %3E_%3C %29%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fkitsune.uplink2k.com%2Fimages%2Fvashsprite.gif%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3Dred%5DThis world is made of...Love and Peace%21%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont size%3D1%5D%0D%0A%5Bi%5D%22Bring the boys back home%21 %0D%0ABring the boys back home%21 %0D%0ADon%27t leave the children on their own%2C %0D%0ABring the boys back home%21%22%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A - Pink Floyd%2C %22Bring The Boys Back Home%22%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 23|1|I%27ll bet she had 1985 hair too|athos1126||18:23:32|03/10/2003|and a star-spangled limo.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fmembers.aol.com%2Fzocrowes255%2Fathossig.gif%0D%0ABush did WHAT%3F%21 Oh man...%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fmonkeyfist.com%2FChomskyArchive%2Fimages%2Fnc6.gif%0D%0AAll hail Chomsky%21%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 24|1|an ugly american...|ixion||18:38:10|03/10/2003|it wasn%27t even about supporting America%2C in her mind... it was about supporting the pResident. oh.. I can%27t even go on commenting about this... %3Apuke%3A %3Apuke%3A %3Apuke%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes%2C including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.%22%0D%0A -- World Court Digest%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Dropping bombs from a safe height on an already hard-pressed people%2C whose infrastructure is in chaos from years of sanctions and who live under an oppressive regime%2C isn%27t a %27war%27. It%27s a turkey shoot. %22%0D%0A -- Terry Jones%0D%0A%0D%0A%22The more you tighten your grasp%2C the more star systems will slip through your fingers.%22%0D%0A -- Princess Leia%2C %5Bi%5DStar Wars%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Ba href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fduforum%2Fduboard.cgi%3Faz%3Dshow_thread%26om%3D16627%26forum%3DDCForumID61%22%5DCourts say the media can lie%5B%2Fa%5D%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 27|1|The next question|Norbert||19:49:53|03/10/2003|Who would she rather sleep with%2C her hubby or shrub.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DAmerica needs you Harry Truman%0D%0AHarry could you please come home%0D%0AThings are looking bad%0D%0AI know you would be mad%0D%0ATo see what kind of men%0D%0APrevail upon the land you love%0D%0A-Robert Lamm %28Chicago%29 %5B%2Ffont%5D|0 28|1|Oh God%2C talk about tasteless|Piperay||20:38:27|03/10/2003|%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%3Apuke%3A%3Apuke%3A%3Apuke%3A%3Apuke%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%7E%0D%0A%0D%0AThe Clinton Presidentcy...8 years of Peace %26 Prosperity %3A-%29%0D%0A %0D%0AIt ain%27t over till your brother counts the votes. %3Agrr%3A %0D%0A%0D%0AI survived the 2k election and all I got was this LOUSY PRESIDENT%21 %3Acrazy%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A%22The higher the monkey climbs%2C the more you see of his behind.%22...as Donald Rumsfield likes to quote %3Aspank%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AGOP %3D Gas%2C Oil and Petroleum %3Akick%3A%0D%0A%0D%0ANo Compromise in Defense of Mother Earth%21 %3Amad%3A %0D%0A %0D%0A%0D%0A %0D%0A %5B%2Ffont%5D |0 29|1|You%27ve all missed the most important question%3A|Rabrrrrrr||23:03:13|03/10/2003|What minister ALLOWED this to happen%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AEwww - no way in hell would I do a wedding and allow them to recite the pledge%2C or any nationalistic idiocy. It%27s a HOUSE OF GOD%2C and is separate from the state%2C especially in a wedding ceremony %28even though there is a civil part when the minister signs the marriage license after the service%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AOr did they not do this at a church%3F%0D%0A%0D%0ABut I can%27t imagine a Justice of the Peace allowing it either%2C but then again%2C I can%27t imagine a Justice of the Peace handing the Presidency over to the loser%2C but five of %27em did.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DEveryone is born with genius%2C but most people only keep it a few minutes. -Edgard Varese%2C composer %281885-1965%29%0D%0A%0D%0AIf we don%27t discipline ourselves the world will do it for us. - William Feather%0D%0A%0D%0AKnowing others is intelligence%3B knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength%2C mastering yourself is true power. -Lao-Tzu%2C philosopher %286th century B.C.%29%0D%0A%0D%0AThe price of power is responsibility for the public good. - Winthrop W. Aldrich%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 30|2|It was a church%2C maybe a synagogue|ded||23:11:16|03/10/2003|The groom was wearing a yamulkah. However%2C I didn%27t see a chuppah. I think it may have been an interfaith ceremony. %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Blink%3Awww.dedspace.blogspot.com%7CDED Space%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.princesscafe.com%7CPrincess Cafe%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D|29 32|1|gotta love that freeper fashion sensiblity......%3B%29|jonnyblitz||23:41:37|03/10/2003|%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22Fascism%3A a system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right%2C typically through the merging of state and business leadership%2C together with belligerent nationalism.%22 %0D%0AAmerican Heritage Dictionary %28an older edition%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Next the statesman will invent cheap lies%2C putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked%2C and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities%2C and will diligently study them%2C and refuse to examine any refutations of them%3B and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just%2C and will thank god for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception%22 %0D%0AExtracted from The Mysterious Stranger%2C Mark Twain 1916%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Individuals have International duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace %26 humanity.%22%0D%0ANuremberg War Crime Tribunal%2C 1950%0D%0A%0D%0A%22although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people%2C it IS true that most stupid people are conservative.%22 John Stuart Mill%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 33|1|Imagine how she%27ll feel 50 years from now...|GoddessOfGuinness||17:42:54|03/11/2003|...if her marriage lasts that long.%0D%0A%0D%0ASome memory...|0 34|1|One of the defining tenets of fascism|geniph||20:27:55|03/11/2003|is excessive nationalism. There is an enormous%2C yawning gulf of difference between patriotism %28love for your country%29 and nationalism %28my country right OR wrong%29. That is pure%2C unadulterated fascism%2C and it should scare the pants off anyone who loves the principles on which this great country was founded.%0D%0A%0D%0ADictionary definition%3A %5Bi%5D political philosophy%2C movement%2C or regime %28as that of the Fascisti%29 that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader%2C severe economic and social regimentation%2C and forcible suppression of opposition%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AIs this ringing a bell with anyone yet%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%3D%0D%0AGeni%0D%0A%0D%0APatriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official%2C save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event%2C it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth%2C whether about the president or anyone else. %0D%0A--Theodore Roosevelt %0D%0A%0D%0AThe whole aim of practical politics is to keep the public alarmed %28and hence clamorous to be led to safety%29 by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins%2C all of them imaginary.%0D%0A--H. L. Mencken%0D%0A%0D%0AEvery gun that is made%2C every warship launched%2C every rocket fired%2C signifies in a final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed%2C those who are cold and not clothed. %0D%0A--Dwight D. Eisenhower%0D%0A%0D%0ASpeak your mind%2C even when your voice shakes.%0D%0A--Maggie Kuhn%5B%2Ffont%5D|0 35|1|Well...|DarkPhenyx||20:32:18|03/11/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Mar-11-03 AT 08:34 PM (ET)[/font][p]%5Bfont size%3D%221%22 color%3D%22%23FF0000%22%5DLAST EDITED ON Mar-11-03 AT 08%3A34 PM %28ET%29%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A..at least I%27ve gotten my nightly bout with nausea out of the way early.%0D%0A%0D%0ACan you imagine showing the Wedding Video to yuor kids in 20 years%3F %22Oh look...this is teh part where Mommy and Daddy endorsed the salughter of 100%27s of tousands of people and the dissolution of everythign America used to stand for. We%27re so proud of that moment%2C aren%27t we comrade husband%3F%22 |0 37|2|It%27s likely they WILL be proud of it n%2Ft|ded||22:02:28|03/11/2003|%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Blink%3Awww.dedspace.blogspot.com%7CDED Space%5D%0D%0A%5Blink%3Awww.princesscafe.com%7CPrincess Cafe%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D|35