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Favorite Trek TNG episode?

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thermodynamic (2773 posts) Click to EMail thermodynamic Click to send private message to thermodynamic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 04:54 PM (ET)
Favorite Trek TNG episode?
Redemption Part 1.

A great buildup leading to Klingon civil war with impressive performances by all and a tightly written plot atypically minimal in technobabble content.

As for part 2, I'd question some of the technobabble used, along with some of the dialogue - primarily Data getting angry at an officer - twice - and Picard outright refusing to believe Sela's story. He's blindly believed Guinan in the past, so why not now?! That aside, the guest cast is impressive in size and acting ability, and David Carson's wonderful direction more than make up for the nitpicks.

(David Carson was my favorite TNG director and Dennis McCarthy was my 2nd favorite composer. Nobody can beat Ron Jones though.)

All in all, the "Redemption" story as a whole, like many TNG 1-hour episodes, beats the snot out of any TNG movie. And yet "All Good Things..." promised the movies would be spectacular. (a certain line from Q to Picard said it all.)

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 what line from Q to Picard said it all? Jonathan Apr-05-03 1
   Nobody's perfect thermodynamic 04/05/2003 5
       You're missing out by not purchasing the seasons collections.... CharG 04/05/2003 21
 The Best of Both Worlds. Alexander Apr-05-03 2
   Amen to BoBW Archae 04/05/2003 9
 While it's hard to pick just one, bpcmxr Apr-05-03 3
 hummm WoodrowFan Apr-05-03 4
   I liked "Masks" too! thermodynamic 04/05/2003 6
       Parrallels Archae 04/05/2003 10
 Enterprise C. Barney Gumble Apr-05-03 7
 'The Inner Light..... CharG Apr-05-03 8
   Yes, CharG... Radicalliberal 04/05/2003 16
 This episode was just mentioned on another thread, but... ArmchairActivist Apr-05-03 11
   favorite episodes scarletlib 04/05/2003 12
 When Q puts them in RobinHood proud patriot Apr-05-03 13
   Actually.... Archae 04/05/2003 14
       Thank you Archae proud patriot 04/05/2003 15
 What was the name... Radicalliberal Apr-05-03 17
   'Cause and Effect' CharG 04/05/2003 19
   Is it "Clues"? LibertyChick 04/05/2003 20
       It's 'Cause and Effect' CharG 04/05/2003 22
           Yup. LibertyChick 04/05/2003 23
               You're welcome..... CharG 04/06/2003 24
           Frasier WoodrowFan 04/10/2003 29
 Schizoid Man... LibertyChick Apr-05-03 18
 when Picard lived a whole life on another planet wellstone_democrat Apr-06-03 25
   I think the Picard other-life story is called "The Inner Light" Lisa 04/06/2003 27
       "Inner Light" defintly favorite... Samuraimad 04/06/2003 28
 Darmok, followed by The Inner Light AJA Apr-06-03 26

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Jonathan (1652 posts) Click to EMail Jonathan Click to send private message to Jonathan Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 04:59 PM (ET)
1. what line from Q to Picard said it all?
I do not know the answer.
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thermodynamic (2773 posts) Click to EMail thermodynamic Click to send private message to thermodynamic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 05:32 PM (ET)
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5. Nobody's perfect
I'll whip up the relevant bits from the story. Glad I bought one of the many releases of this story on VHS, I'm not paying for TNG DVDs until they come out by episode instead of by season.

Q tells Picard that "...the trial never ends. We wanted to see if you had the ability to expand your mind and your horizons ... and for one brief moment you *did*."

Picard replies, "When I realized the paradox..."

Q nods, "Exactly. For that one fraction of a second, you were open to options you had never considered. THAT is the exploration that awaits you: not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence."

THAT was what got my hopes up for the movies.

So what did we get in return? (I'm going for very condensed, edited, highlights. To explain EVERYTHING that went wrong with each one would take megabytes of space...)

A movie where they destroy the "D" and use people who were more like sob-story charity cases than villains. And the Duras sisters, while superficially entertaining, never had a sufficiently villainous edge to them. The humor passes only because of Data's situation. I won't mention the plot inconsistencies and continuity screw-ups, right Scotty? I used to have a web page devoted to the screw-ups they made but I eventually dumped it.

Then we get a Borg movie. A Borg is as villainous as a VHS video cassette. And if you're going to time travel, please time travel to contemporary times or earlier so it can actually look funny. And the Queen... breaks continuity just by being there. TNG movies and the spinoff shows readily break continuity whenever it suits them. (Which is sad because TNG tried exceptionally hard to create a continuity. ) I won't mention any other plot inconsistencies and continuity screw-ups in this one. But, the Borg movie truly stinks and Picard is hardly his usual, moral self. I used to have a web page devoted to the screw-ups they made but I eventually dumped it. But I did find a web page, http://www.mediacircus.net/firstcon.html and another http://members.tripod.com/~Desslok/dietrek/mine.htm which can say most of it for me. There are other details, but I'm that much of a nitpicker anymore.

Then we get "Insurrection". Its only crime is posing a less than cinematic situation. I like the movie but I won't ignore its main problem; the problems they had to revolve around were miniscule and not grandiose. Oh yeah, half-way through they worm out of the concept that the Federation has gone bad by limiting the corruption to just Admiral Daugherty and that by the end, all is happy and smurfy again.

As for "Nemesis", thank God it's over for good! It's long since been tired and burnt out, mostly by the hands who have been around since 1988 and should have moved on long ago. Geez, we didn't even gete to see the "Titan" that Riker was going to command! This movie is so underachieving, sloppy, and pedantic I could cry. And I nearly did in the theatre because it was just that sloppy and sometimes confusing despite being obvious. Nor would anybody buy Data's death so easily, especially when they made the ultimate cop-out with B4 suddenly whistling... Ugh. At least Riker made the "Kirk Epsilon" reference, for which a few people (like me) clapped when he said that.

Added bonus, something that might have made a good TNG movie if it weren't for Berman, the Paramount movie whores who always say that Trek movies must have boatloads of humor in them, and so on:

Picard then presses Q for more information, and Q tells him as he departs, "...In any case, I'll be watching; and if you're very lucky, I'll drop by to say hello from time to time. See you -- out there..."

Didn't see him much, did we? Can't blame Q, he probably saw Picard's movie adventures and decided he just wasn't worth harassing anymore.

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CharG (102 posts) Click to EMail CharG Click to send private message to CharG Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 11:10 PM (ET)
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21. You're missing out by not purchasing the seasons collections....
LAST EDITED ON Apr-05-03 AT 11:16 PM (ET)

Think about it.....They are selling the original Star Trek episodes for 10 to 15 dollars apiece. A season of episodes of TNG has more than 24 episodes for around a hundred dollars. If you're a real fan and want all the episodes....it's a bargin. The quality is great and you get some great "behind the scenes" material as well. I know a hundred bucks is a lot of money, but if you were to collect the episodes one by one (if they ever release them that way), you'll probably pay over 300 dollars for a season's worth.

They did a GREAT job on these collections....trust me, if you want all the episodes, it's worth it.

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Alexander Donating Member (2339 posts) Click to EMail Alexander Click to send private message to Alexander Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 05:22 PM (ET)
2. The Best of Both Worlds.
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Archae (3922 posts) Click to EMail Archae Click to send private message to Archae Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 07:32 PM (ET)
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9. Amen to BoBW
Locutus: "From now on, you will service, us."

Riker: "Fire!"

When the Enterprise gets to Wolf 359.

And the final shot, of Picard looking out the window.

You could tell he was all torn up inside, something he had to deal with in the next episode by fighting with his brother and finally in "First Contact," confronting all that rage and hatred.

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bpcmxr (11 posts) Click to EMail bpcmxr Click to send private message to bpcmxr Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 05:23 PM (ET)
3. While it's hard to pick just one,
"The Inner Light" has got to be somewhere in my top 3.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (55 posts) Click to EMail WoodrowFan Click to send private message to WoodrowFan Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 05:25 PM (ET)
4. hummm
maybe the one where Worf slipped from Universe to Universe?

Or "Masks." I may be the only STNG fan in the whole world who LOVED that episode.

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thermodynamic (2773 posts) Click to EMail thermodynamic Click to send private message to thermodynamic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 05:40 PM (ET)
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6. I liked "Masks" too!
Season 7 was a refreshing change after the mediocre season 5 and the dreadful season 6. There were numerous episodes which dared to go where no one had gone before. Phantasms, Attached, Parallels, The Pegasus, Homeward, Thine Own Self, Masks, Genesis, Firstborn, Emergence, and All Good Things were classics. I have a soft spot for "Pre-emptive strike" though and I'm not sure why. Michelle Forbes couldn't say "hasperat" properly though when everyone else could. But that's nearly half a season filled with rather good episodes. A definite improvement...

"Parallels" was great. Until the very end. Worf was crossing dimensions, not travelling in time, but the scene was played out. I don't clearly remember, but something was not quite right - but on the same token I forgave it because it was otherwise an EXCELLENT episode.

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Archae (3922 posts) Click to EMail Archae Click to send private message to Archae Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 07:35 PM (ET)
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10. Parrallels
One hole in that storyline I never really could figure out an answer to.

What happened to the Worfs from the dimensions "our" Worf was going to?

Were they put into a little room like in "Quantum Leap?"

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Barney Gumble (807 posts) Click to EMail Barney%20Gumble Click to send private message to Barney%20Gumble Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 07:18 PM (ET)
7. Enterprise C.

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CharG (102 posts) Click to EMail CharG Click to send private message to CharG Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 07:20 PM (ET)
8. 'The Inner Light.....
Captain Picard's mind is "taken over" by a strange probe and he lives an entire lifetime in a few minutes. Has children and grandchildren and then is returned to his life on the Enterprise. The episode ends with Picard playing a haunting tune he learned in the other life on a flute left on the probe.

This episode should have won Emmy awards for Patrick Stewart and the Next Generation crew.

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Apr-05-03, 10:19 PM (ET)
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16. Yes, CharG...
...that was a wonderful, touching story. I have fond memories of it.
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Apr-05-03, 07:36 PM (ET)
11. This episode was just mentioned on another thread, but...
LAST EDITED ON Apr-05-03 AT 07:37 PM (ET)

...my all time favorite is 'Darmok'. Logically, a race that can only talk by alluding to literary metaphors seems like it would have a hard time developing warp technology, (what would their technical manuals look like?) but it made for a cool episode with a truly touching ending.

Honorable mention goes to the above-mentioned 'Inner Light'.

-AA

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Apr-05-03, 08:56 PM (ET)
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12. favorite episodes
you guys are real Trek fans. i love the show too but can't actually name the episodes. I do love the "Inner Light" episode. Also really the one where the crew was being spirited out of the ship at night into another dimension where insect creatures were cutting them up and experimenting on them.
Also loved the episode where the crew was caught in a time loop and repeating the same day over and over--remember the poker game?
Finally, any thing with Barkley (Broccoli) in it. I guess he spoke to my inner angst.
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proud patriot Donating Member (14973 posts) Click to EMail proud%20patriot Click to send private message to proud%20patriot Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 09:40 PM (ET)
13. When Q puts them in RobinHood
Favorite line Worf standing there in his green tights
Picard tells him he's a merry man .
Worf "I don't feel Merry"

LOL...

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Archae (3922 posts) Click to EMail Archae Click to send private message to Archae Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 09:48 PM (ET)
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14. Actually....
He says "Captain, I protest! I am NOT a Merry Man!"

(I have that video file, BTW. Along with the one where a little later in that episode, he grabs Geordi's lute, smashes it on a tree, and says, "Sorry.")

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Apr-05-03, 10:11 PM (ET)
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15. Thank you Archae
It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen .
Great Episode
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Radicalliberal Donating Member (1818 posts) Click to EMail Radicalliberal Click to send private message to Radicalliberal Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 10:23 PM (ET)
17. What was the name...
...of the episode where the enterprise is caught in a time loop...at the end, Data finally sees the 3 buttons on Rikers uniform and saves the day?
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CharG (102 posts) Click to EMail CharG Click to send private message to CharG Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 10:59 PM (ET)
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19. 'Cause and Effect'
from the fifth season
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LibertyChick Donating Member (1479 posts) Click to EMail LibertyChick Click to send private message to LibertyChick Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 11:00 PM (ET)
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20. Is it "Clues"?
Clues left over from when the aliens knocked out everyone but Data?
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CharG (102 posts) Click to EMail CharG Click to send private message to CharG Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 11:14 PM (ET)
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22. It's 'Cause and Effect'
Just previewed it...just to make sure. Enterprise gets destroyed at the begining. At the end, there is a captain of another ship that has been caught in the same 'cause and effect' as the Enterprise for a suprisingly long time.
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LibertyChick Donating Member (1479 posts) Click to EMail LibertyChick Click to send private message to LibertyChick Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-05-03, 11:35 PM (ET)
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23. Yup.
I have the DVD set, but cannot preview it.

Thanks.

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CharG (102 posts) Click to EMail CharG Click to send private message to CharG Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Apr-06-03, 00:15 AM (ET)
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24. You're welcome.....
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Apr-10-03, 09:16 PM (ET)
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29. Frasier
Wasn't the other Captain played by the guy whom plays Fraiser whose name complete escapes me at the moment... He had on a uniform from the period in Star Trek II:Kahn Has a Fit. LOVED those uniforms. I mean, not in a "funny" way, not that there's anything WRONG with that, but, ahem... AH, UMM,,

Did I mention I liked 'Masks"?? 8-)

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Apr-05-03, 10:52 PM (ET)
18. Schizoid Man...
Phantasms

To Thine Own Self

Inner Light

Darmok

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Apr-06-03, 00:26 AM (ET)
25. when Picard lived a whole life on another planet
that was now "dead"-=---it involved that flute.


I never know the names of these.

On Voyager: when you found out the whole 6 of 9 story with the mother being like borg-queen. That was *good*

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Apr-06-03, 01:42 AM (ET)
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27. I think the Picard other-life story is called "The Inner Light"
I like that one too.

Wil Wheaton says it's also one of his faves (and he wasn't even in it).
http://www.wilwheaton.net/faq.php

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Apr-06-03, 05:13 AM (ET)
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28. "Inner Light" defintly favorite...
"Cause and Effect" was also a great one, where they were stuck in a time loop and the number 3 was always occuring.
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Apr-06-03, 01:20 AM (ET)
26. Darmok, followed by The Inner Light
the shear immaginative exercise of language and how it shapes reality was driven home with a photon torpedo in Darmok.

The Inner Light made me cry like a child when i saw it.

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