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0|0|Miami Herald SLAMS Jeb Bush as state budget goes into utter freefall|Dabeddow||01:03:51|10/22/2001|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-01 AT 01:10 AM (ET)[/font][p]%5Bfont size%3D%221%22 color%3D%22%23FF0000%22%5DLAST EDITED ON Oct-22-01 AT 01%3A07%A0AM %28ET%29%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.miami.com%2Fherald%2Fcontent%2Fopinion%2Fopcol%2Fdigdocs%2F042407.htm%0D%0A%0D%0Asnip%0D%0A%0D%0A. This means that the state soon won%27t have enough money to operate%2C which is what happens if you%27re foolish enough to slash taxes at a time when government%27s income is dwindling.%0D%0AAny dolt with a pocket calculator and half a brain could have figured out what was coming. Long before the dreadful events of Sept. 11 sent Florida%27s tourism into a tailspin%2C the budget outlook was shaky. Even the Democrats%2C who aren%27t renowned for fiscal prudence%2C warned that massive tax breaks would be reckless in the face of a stagnating economy.%0D%0A%0D%0Amore %0D%0A%0D%0AIt was a promise also made by Bush%2C who has repeatedly denounced the tax on stocks as %60%60insidious%27%27 and %60%60onerous.%27%27 The governor%2C however%2C now says he might consider postponing its reduction.%0D%0A%0D%0AIf he doesn%27t%2C he%27ll be giving Janet Reno and the Democrats a handy bludgeon with which they can whale on him from now until next year%27s election.%0D%0A%0D%0AIt will be difficult enough for Bush to rationalize the Republican-led tax cuts that have helped la
1|1|Pray%2C everybody.|kskiska||01:31:15|10/22/2001|This is it. The opening for Janet.
2|2|Oh YES|susu369||07:58:28|10/22/2001|Gotta take out jebbie and get Janet in. %0D%0A%0D%0A
3|1|Get%27em%2C Reno|Zech Marquis||08:04:33|10/22/2001|You just KNOW Janet is taking notes and getting ready to use this to nail old Jethro...she knows tactics for sure.%0D%0A%0D%0Aand Bunker Boy had better watch out--only take s one bone headed mistake to turn his cursade against %22terra%22 into a tar pit he won%27t be able to get out of...and Osama is NOT ging to let himself be captured before spilling the beans on his dealings with Poppy %3Aevilgrin%3A
4|1|This aint no Aesop%27s Fables|AlecBGreen||08:19:43|10/22/2001|I think Jeb and Dub were both read repug idealogy to put them to sleep as kids. %22Alright kids%2C who can tell me the capital gains tax rate for the 3rd quarter in 1955%3F Get it right and I%27ll let you fire one of daddy%27s workers%21%22 %3Apuke%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AThe only positive I see is Bush handing Janet a couple million swing voters. Thanks Jeb%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D-alec%0D%0A%0D%0A%22When I despair%2C I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants%2C and murderers%2C and for a time they can seem invincible%2C but in the end they always fall. Think of it...always.%22 %7EMahatma Ghandi%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D
5|1|I wish it were the only state budget crashing|mw||08:24:04|10/22/2001|Jeb deserves to be singled out.  But he isn%27t.  Gray Davis in California is in dire budget straits too.  As are many states. %0D%0A%0D%0ABut hopefully%2C Reno will defeat the Bush Crime Family%2C and will bring law and order back to the state that threw Election 2000.%0D%0A%0D%0A %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%3D%3D%3D%3D%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bartcop.com%2Fosama_running.gif%0D%0A%22It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.%22  - Voltaire%3C%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D
6|2|Gray Davis is a special case|Sick of Bullshit||09:50:46|10/22/2001|He inherited a screwed up energy system from his laissez-faire predecessor%2C which resulted in the state being overcharged billions for energy. The Bu%24h de-emphasis of high-tech has also hurt the state more than most others.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DAnother bu%24h%2C another war_%7C_%5B%2Ffont%5D
12|3|You know it and I know it.  But rabid righties%3F%3A  %22It%27s Clinton%27s fault.%22|mw||10:43:59|10/22/2001|%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%3D%3D%3D%3D%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bartcop.com%2Fosama_running.gif%0D%0A%22It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.%22  - Voltaire%3C%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D
7|1|Jeb will blame the terrorists|radfringe||10:02:08|10/22/2001|Watch for the BUSHIT spin to go something like this -%0D%0A%0D%0AFlorida%27s economy has been hurt by the terrorists because people are afraid to fly and are not coming to Disneyworld and other tourist attractions.%0D%0A%0D%0AWill the next REPUG bailout be Florida%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D.............................. http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gifs.net%2Fanimate%2Fmouseb.gif    %3Anuke%3A%0D%0A%5Bb%5D%5Bfont color%3D%22RED%22%5D%0D%0A%22...all Americans need to watch what they say%2C watch what they do%2C and this is not a time for remarks like that%3B there never is.%22 Ari Fleischer%2C Bush Press Secretary  %0D%0A%0D%0A%91%91Those who voluntarily put power into the hands of a tyrant or an enemy%2C must not wonder if it be at last turned against themselves.%92%92 %96 Aesop%2C Greek fabulist %28620-560 B.C.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%22One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors%22. - PLATO%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Fb%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D
8|2|NPR JUST REPORTED|radfringe||10:08:11|10/22/2001|decreased sales tax due to terrorists attacks%2C fear of flying....are causing Florida%27s budget shortfalls...%0D%0A%0D%0ANothing in the report pointing to Stupid Republican taxcut tricks%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D.............................. http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gifs.net%2Fanimate%2Fmouseb.gif    %3Anuke%3A%0D%0A%5Bb%5D%5Bfont color%3D%22RED%22%5D%0D%0A%22...all Americans need to watch what they say%2C watch what they do%2C and this is not a time for remarks like that%3B there never is.%22 Ari Fleischer%2C Bush Press Secretary  %0D%0A%0D%0A%91%91Those who voluntarily put power into the hands of a tyrant or an enemy%2C must not wonder if it be at last turned against themselves.%92%92 %96 Aesop%2C Greek fabulist %28620-560 B.C.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%22One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors%22. - PLATO%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Fb%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D
9|1|This was going to happen irregardless of the attacks on|JCMach1||10:11:04|10/22/2001|9%2F11.  The attacks just made the crisis deeper-- from about 500million to 1.5 billion.  The real crisis hits next year after Bush and the legislature raid the rainy day fund to pay for Repug tax cuts.%0D%0A%0D%0AFlorida has always had some of the lowest taxes in the country%2C and the past three years%2C the Repugs have succeeded in giving away about 1.3 billion in tax cuts.%0D%0A%0D%0ANow%2C we are faced with across the board budget cuts of 5-7%25 this year alone.  In education%2C this will disproportionally hit poor and rural school districts like mine.  We get more state funding%2C because our property tax base is so poor.%0D%0A%0D%0APoor kids will take the shaft-- rich kids in wealthy districts will be relatively ok.%0D%0A%0D%0AHell%2C I may even lose my job.  If I do%2C I will cash my unemployment checks and work for Reno full-time until the election%21%21%21%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Liberty and Freedom are complex concepts. They go back to religious ideas of Free Will and are related to the Ruler Mystique implicit in absolute monarchs. Without absolute monarchs patterned after the Old Gods and ruling by the grace of belief in religious indulgence%2C Liberty and Freedom would never have gained their present meaning. These ideals owe their very existence to past examples of oppression. And the forces that maintain such ideas will erode unless renewed by dramatic teaching or new oppressions.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A-Frank Herbert%0D%0A%3Ahi%3A %5B%2Ffont%5D
10|2|Estate TAX|trumad||10:29:22|10/22/2001|Wait until the estate tax kicks in taking about 800 million from us...  Plus Tom Feeney %28house leader%29 say%27s he%27s gonna go down fighting to keep the Stock investment tax cut going...  If you invest 500%2C000 in the market you save a whole 500 bucks....WOW%21%21%21%21  Fricking Feeney sucks....  He%27s the butt head who..while watching Gore%27s concession speech uttered that %22Gore is an Evil man%22...  Proposing more tax cuts during this crisis....  AMAZING%21%21%21%21%0D%0A%0D%0A
11|3|This is probably the WORST budget crisis Florida has ever had...|JCMach1||10:33:41|10/22/2001|have to check my history on that... but I am almost certain-- worse even than the Great Depression%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Liberty and Freedom are complex concepts. They go back to religious ideas of Free Will and are related to the Ruler Mystique implicit in absolute monarchs. Without absolute monarchs patterned after the Old Gods and ruling by the grace of belief in religious indulgence%2C Liberty and Freedom would never have gained their present meaning. These ideals owe their very existence to past examples of oppression. And the forces that maintain such ideas will erode unless renewed by dramatic teaching or new oppressions.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A-Frank Herbert%0D%0A%3Ahi%3A %5B%2Ffont%5D
13|1|History Can tell us something|JCMach1||11:15:59|10/22/2001|THE STOCK MARKET CRASH AND FLORIDA%0D%0AFloridians accepted the 1929 Stock Market Crash and the beginnings of the Depression with a little more understanding than most of the nation. After all%2C Florida had suffered its own economic collapse in 1926 and while Floridians were gradually rebuilding their shattered economy during the John W. Martin administration%2C they recognized the same foolish speculative factors that ruined the Florida Land Boom was an established part of business America. %0D%0A %0D%0ATampa lawyer Doyle E. Carlton was given the dubious task of fighting the Depression in Florida while still continuing efforts to restart the tourist economy. The industrious road building programs and irrigation projects of the Martin period seemed in vain as people in the North and Midwest canceled their Florida vacations. Many of Florida%27s bailout taxes%2C such as a huge seven cent tax on gasoline%2C hurt Florida in competing for the dollars of automobile travelers. %0D%0AJOHN W. MARTIN %0D%0AThe biography of JOHN W%3E MARTIN %0D%0AThe biography of DOYLE E. CARLTON The biography of DAVID SHOLTZ %0D%0A%0D%0AAs unemployment rates rose and tourism decline from three to one million visitors per year%2C Florida%27s leaders searched desperately for solutions. There were no easy answers for the business solutions of the 1920%27s fell on deaf ears. %0D%0AIn the gubernatorial election of 1932 voters showed there was change in the environment as they rejected former governors Martin and Cary A. Hardee%2C and selected relative unknown David Sholtz of Daytona Beach. Sholtz emphasized a return to Florida%27s basic industries to pull the state out of its economic doldrums. Money was scarce and the tourist route was a poor solution. On the other hand Florida citrus and agriculture showed good yields despite low farm prices. Phosphate and cattle could not be hurt by a lack of visitors like banking and real estate. %0D%0A%0D%0A%3C%3CSNIP%3E%3E%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fduforum%2Fduboard.cgi%3Faz%3Dpost%26forum%3DDCForumID5%26om%3D6902%26omm%3D0%0D%0A%0D%0ABYE BYE JEB%21%21%21%21%21%21%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A--------------------------------------------------------------------------------%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Liberty and Freedom are complex concepts. They go back to religious ideas of Free Will and are related to the Ruler Mystique implicit in absolute monarchs. Without absolute monarchs patterned after the Old Gods and ruling by the grace of belief in religious indulgence%2C Liberty and Freedom would never have gained their present meaning. These ideals owe their very existence to past examples of oppression. And the forces that maintain such ideas will erode unless renewed by dramatic teaching or new oppressions.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A-Frank Herbert%0D%0A%3Ahi%3A %5B%2Ffont%5D
15|2|I%27ll believe it when I see it%2C JCMach1|goldengreek||12:22:41|10/22/2001|But the sad fact is the Bushes have been idiots for generations and that hasn%27t stopped them from licking boots all the way to the top. We can%27t underestimate their ability to get away with murder and treason.%0D%0A%0D%0AMy prediction%3A Bush in %2702%2C and again in %2704%3B and there%27s nothing -- including winning elections -- that we can do about it with the current system.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe only winning strategy is to abolish capitalism and put every factory%2C corporation%2C and radio and television station under direct republican control. Don%27t let all the silly talk of free trade and crap fool you. You don%27t have to have capitalism to have a free exchange of goods%2C services%2C and information. In fact%2C all three have existed in one form or another in different parts of the world for thousands of years and quite apart from capitalism%3B sometimes%2C in the case of Athens and Florence%2C all at the same time. As long as you have all that%2C and proper bookkeeping%2C you%27re fine.%0D%0A%0D%0AOf course%2C real free exchange of information is %5Bi%5Dverboten%5B%2Fi%5D in capitalism. Most capitalists are basically cowards and make a hobby out of fleeing from the light of reason in terror. It%27s hardly coincidental the most of the people driving politics today%2C like Cheney%2C Bush%2C Armey%2C and Delay%2C are draft dodgers. Bush the Elder did go to war%3B but then again%2C both he and his father were and are Nazi sympathizers.%0D%0A%0D%0AJust as Stalin%2C the German capitalists through their Nazi Party%2C and American%2FBritish capitalists in alliance with their German partners worked together to subvert the movement towards real and meaningful democracy in Britain%2C Germany%2C France%2C and Spain%2C the Chinese%2C Russians%2C and American capitalists in our time are working together to subvert democracy both here and abroad. This is why China%27s backing us up in Central Asia despite the fact it%27s contraindicated by their own strategic interests. Their stupidity -- and ours -- will be richly paid back in blood and pain. It%27s not a coincidence that America today is looking more and more like Germany in 1932 %28including cowardice on the part of our %22progressive%22 Democratic leadership%29 -- it%27s the same strategy. We must clean up our election system%2C take away their toys%2C and exile them on threat of execution if they return to our society.%0D%0A%0D%0AIn the immortal words of Margaret Thatcher%3A There Is No Alternative %28TINA%29.
16|3|I agree 100%25|JCMach1||14:26:56|10/22/2001|I have always leaned socialist in my political beliefs.  In fact%2C I think there is more evidence than ever that Marx was right... he was just WAY too ahead of his time.%0D%0A%0D%0AI look around and quite often I feel like a foreigner in my own country.%0D%0A%0D%0AI think it will take a supreme crisis in the economy to precipitate socialist change in this country.  This may%2C or may not be that time.  The economy is still headed for the crapper indefinitely.  As the Tsar found out%2C war does not but food in people%27s bellies.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%2A%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Liberty and Freedom are complex concepts. They go back to religious ideas of Free Will and are related to the Ruler Mystique implicit in absolute monarchs. Without absolute monarchs patterned after the Old Gods and ruling by the grace of belief in religious indulgence%2C Liberty and Freedom would never have gained their present meaning. These ideals owe their very existence to past examples of oppression. And the forces that maintain such ideas will erode unless renewed by dramatic teaching or new oppressions.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A-Frank Herbert%0D%0A%3Ahi%3A %5B%2Ffont%5D
14|1|Been a log time coming|retyred||12:19:12|10/22/2001|Bankrupt in Tallahassee%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.sptimes.com%2FNews%2F100401%2FOpinion%2FBankrupt_in_Tallahass.shtml%0D%0A%0D%0ASome prophets wait a lifetime or longer to be vindicated. For Larry Fuchs%2C Florida%27s former chief tax collector%2C it took merely two years. Fuchs said in the summer of 1999 that Florida was %22functionally bankrupt%22 and that the next inevitable recession would swiftly prove it. Though some leaders listened%2C it was mostly to laugh -- none more raucously than Florida%27s new governor%2C Jeb Bush%2C who boasted just a few months ago that he and the Legislature were on track to cutting taxes by a cumulative %246-billion before the end of his term. Instead of expanding the revenue base%2C as Fuchs urged%2C they willfully shrank it. %0D%0A%0D%0AAs Fuchs warned%2C and as reality confirms%2C nothing but bone and muscle is left to cut now that the economy has soured and terrorist atrocities have cast an even deeper pall over Florida%27s T-shirt economy. Florida currently ranks 44th in the percent of its personal income spent on public schools%2C 47th in higher education%2C 41st in total spending%2C and 47th in state employees per capita. Now the Legislature must return to Tallahassee to cut this year%27s already lean budget by at least %0D%0A%241-billion%2C with even greater reductions looming for fiscal 2003. %0D%0A%0D%0ASome of the suggestions issuing from agencies can only be described as tragic%3A Eliminate assistance for medically needy adults%2C at a time when more people will be out of work and without insurance. Abolish substance-abuse treatment for people on probation%2C at a time when experience predicts crime will increase. Keep more juvenile offenders in adult prisons%2C a sure way to waste their lives and cost the state infinitely more money over time. Spend less on child support enforcement%2C at precisely the time when Florida will need to spend more. %0D%0A%0D%0A- Snip -%0D%0A%0D%0AThe bottom line is that Florida will have to suffer through this crisis because it cannot borrow. The Florida Constitution does not allow deficit spending%2C and in any case the state has virtually tapped out its bonding capacity. %0D%0A
17|1|Where will Jebster land%3F|NY2nd||14:30:14|10/22/2001|Which cabinet position will be given to Jebby when he is booted from Florida%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AI think after Cheney croaks%2C Ridge will be made VP%2C and Jebby will head up the Secret police%2C er I mean Homeland Czar office.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22blue%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Arial%22%5D%22every edit is a lie.%22 - Jean-Luc Godard%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22blue%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Arial%22%5D%22uuuhhhhnn....uuuhhhhh.%22 - George W. Bush aka Bunkerboy%5B%2Ffont%5D%5B%2Ffont%5D