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0|0|Reuters%3A Venezuela%27s Chavez Looks Set to Return in Triumph |IndianaGreen||03:25:23|04/14/2002|Don%27t you detect a certain %22snippy%22 tone from the Reuters correspondent%3F It is almost as if Jason Webb is pissed that Chavez is returning to the office to which he was elected.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bb%5DVenezuela%27s Chavez Looks Set to Return in Triumph %5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0AApril 14%2C 2002 01%3A41 AM ET  %0D%0ABy Jason Webb %0D%0A%0D%0ACARACAS%2C Venezuela %28Reuters%29 - Fiery Venezuelan populist Hugo Chavez seemed set for an improbable but triumphant return to power on Sunday after a government set up following Friday%27s military coup collapsed in the face of a rebellion by loyalist troops and massive protests. %0D%0A%0D%0AChavez was expected to fly back to the mainland from the Caribbean island of La Orchila where he had been imprisoned after the smoothly executed coup that briefly installed mild-mannered businessman Pedro Carmona as leader of the world%27s fourth-largest oil-exporting country. %0D%0A%0D%0A%22We guarantee that the president of the republic%2C Hugo Chavez Frias%2C will soon assume his functions as constitutional president%2C%22 said Diosdado Cabello%2C who was Chavez%27s deputy until Friday but was sworn in as temporary president late on Saturday to cover the gap until his boss%27s return. %0D%0A%0D%0A%3Csnip%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AWhile many of the top generals turned against him on Thursday and Friday%2C his supporters had what seemed to be the last laugh and boasted that most of the troops remained loyal. %0D%0A%0D%0AAs more and more television stations had their signals hijacked by Chavez loyalists on Saturday%2C the ousted president%27s followers told the cameras that most of the country%27s military units had come out in support of their man. %0D%0A%0D%0AAt the end of what should have been his first full day in power%2C Carmona resigned after closed-door negotiations with top brass at the Fuerte Tiuna military base. %0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fnews_article.jhtml%3Ftype%3Dtopnews%26StoryID%3D810812 %0D%0A
1|1|3%3A21 AM Chavez Returns in Triumph to Presidential Palace|chikadi||03:35:17|04/14/2002|Last Updated%3A April 14%2C 2002 03%3A21 AM ET%0D%0A%0D%0ACARACAS%2C Venezuela %28Reuters%29 - Venezuelan populist Hugo Chavez returned in triumph to his presidential palace in %0D%0ACaracas on Sunday two days after being temporarily forced from power by a military coup%2C witnesses said. %0D%0A%0D%0ARaising his fist in jubilation%2C a grinning Chavez advanced slowly through a tightly packed crowd of chanting supporters %0D%0Atoward the entrance of the Miraflores palace as a military band played. %0D%0A%0D%0AThe former paratrooper had flown back from the Venezuelan island of La Orchila where he had been held under arrest %0D%0Aby military top brass who briefly ousted him as president early on Friday in favor of mild-mannered businessman %0D%0APedro Carmona. %0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fnews_article.jhtml%3Bjsessionid%3DKY520BE2MM0OOCRBAEKSFEYKEEATIIWD%3Ftype%3Dtopnews%26StoryID%3D810911%23|0
2|1|you%27re either with us or against us or with us or...|the masses against the classes||03:36:20|04/14/2002|can%27t wait to read about this years down the road in a book about how the CIA once again failed in their attempt to dictate foreign country leadership. superb%21 |0
3|1|Ousted Venezuela president returns|IndianaGreen||03:36:51|04/14/2002|%5Bb%5DOusted Venezuela president returns%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0AChavez%2C freed%2C to reclaim office from which he was ousted %0D%0A %0D%0ABREAKING NEWS%0D%0AASSOCIATED PRESS %0D%0A%0D%0ACARACAS%2C Venezuela%2C April 14 %97  Hugo Chavez was freed by his military captors and returned to reclaim the Venezuelan presidency Sunday%2C greeting a cheering throng of supporters as he stepped out of a helicopter%2C smiled and raised a fist in triumph.%0D%0A%0D%0AHUNDREDS OF PEOPLE outside the palace and thousands in the street beyond began singing the Venezuelan national anthem.%0D%0A       %0D%0AChavez%2C who was ousted by the military on Friday%2C arrived at the Miraflores presidential palace shortly after 3 a.m. in a dramatic restoration of power following the resignation of Pedro Carmona%2C who resigned amid violent protests after just one day in office as interim president.%0D%0A       %0D%0AChavez%92s vice president%2C Diosdado Cabello%2C had declared himself acting president until Chavez%92s return from military custody.%0D%0A       %0D%0AChavez%92s family%2C supporters and former government officials insisted he never resigned as president%2C as Carmona and Venezuela%92s high command have claimed.%0D%0A       %0D%0A%93Today we are celebrating a new democracy%2C%94 said one man who took a microphone to greet Chavez.%0D%0A       %0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.com%2Fnews%2F735910.asp%0D%0A|0
12|2|From the end of the article you posted%2C|JudiLyn||03:51:52|04/14/2002|%28snip%29%0D%0A  Carmona also lost the support of the 1 million-member Venezuelan Workers Confederation%2C which co-led last week%92s general strike%2C after Carmona decide to dissolve Congress%2C said confederation director Jesus Urbietta.%0D%0A       At least 20 disturbances were reported in Caracas on Saturday. Unrest also was reported in the cities of Maracay%2C Guarenas%2C Los Teques and Coro. Police fought pitched battles with Chavez supporters in the western Caracas slum of Catia%2C a Chavez stronghold.%0D%0A       %0D%0A%28snip%2F..%29%0D%0A%0D%0AThere%27s going to be a whole lot of %27splainin%27 to do before this thing gets settled.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe very idea of police fighting pitched battles with the supporters of their President is a little odd%2C isn%27t it%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AJust how are the Workers Confederation strikers going to explain how Carmona led them astray%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AIt would be really great to get stories on the next phase in Venezuela.%0D%0A%0D%0A|3
14|3|When was the last time you heard that workers went on strike|IndianaGreen||03:58:43|04/14/2002|in support of a fired board of directors%3F That was the reason given for a rather contrived %22labor%22 strike that was more of a management strike than anything else.%0D%0A%0D%0AI am curious to hear the Sunday pundits explain this thing.|12
20|4|I don%27t think you%27ll|0007||09:11:27|04/14/2002|%5Bb%5Dsee%5B%2Fb%5D Kissinger.  I%27m sure his advice last week was to do the coup.  %28Drink the Dew%29 the time was ripe.  Do to Chevaz that our administration did to Allende in Chile.%0D%0A%0D%0AThis foreign policy will bring Bushie down to his knee to fellate Dr. Henry Kissinger.  An idiot talking to a moron through his dick.|14
19|2|My Fellow Americans%3A|deutsey||09:00:18|04/14/2002|THIS is what democracy looks and sounds like.%0D%0A%0D%0AThousands take to the streets %28not the Internet%29 and demand their president be reinstated.%0D%0A%0D%0AMaybe we should start trying things like that here.|3
22|3|Yep|Nlighten1||09:41:17|04/14/2002|Right on that count.  We should take to the streets and demand that Gore be re-instated.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DListen.%0D%0ADon%27t ever rock the boat.%0D%0ABe thankful for your right to vote.%0D%0ANo deal.%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.shadow-warriors.org%2FBadges%2FEIB.gif%5B%2Ffont%5D|19
4|1|I missed the excitement tonight|Jack Rabbit||03:37:11|04/14/2002|Is it my imagination%2C or has the CIA been humiliated%3F%0D%0AFrankly%2C when I started reading some time ago that Powell had targeted Chavez for ouster%2C I thought that was that.  When I read last night and this morning that the coup was on%2C I thought that was that.%0D%0AWas that not that%3F%0D%0ACan developing nations thumb their noses at the Frat Boy%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A|0
9|2|CIA%2C Otto Reich%2C Bush I%2C Dick Cheney%2C Paul Wolfowitz...|J B||03:44:34|04/14/2002|There%27s a long list. %0D%0A%0D%0AI love it. |4
27|3|Let%27s strike a blow for democracy|Jack Rabbit||11:20:42|04/14/2002|%3Atoast%3A|9
10|2|That ain%27t that|Onemore||03:46:58|04/14/2002|Numbskull Bushian foreign policy takes another massive hit. Think Chavez is gonna be in the mood to sit down with the US Ambassador - who STUPIDLY met with the usurpers on Saturday morning%21%21%21 - and talk a little oil%3F %0D%0A%0D%0ABush%3A What a maroon%21 What an ultra-maroon%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DDon%27t bring out the General in you%21%0D%0A- Gilles Deleuze %26 Felix Guattari%2C %22A Thousand Plateaus%22%0D%0A%0D%0AThe thought that there might be a political response to fascism makes me laugh. Shall we set our little fascism against their big one%3F Organize ourselves%2C become disciplined%2C maybe we could make ourselves some smart uniforms and stomp about in the street%3F Politics is the last great sentimental indulgence of mankind%2C and it has never achieved anything except a deepened idiocy%2C more work%2C more repression%2C more pompous assholes demanding obedience. Quite naturally%2C we are bored of it to the point of acute sickness. I have no interest at all in groping at power in the blister. What matters is burning a hole through the wall. - Nick Land %5B%2Ffont%5D|4
5|1|Thanks IG and others..|Mika||03:37:19|04/14/2002|.. for keeping us up to date.%0D%0A%0D%0AHere%27s a good source for some breaking news on Venezuela%2C%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.blythe.org%2Fnytransfer-subs%2FCaribbean%2Findex.html|0
6|2|The Bush Family Evil Empire|5thGenDemocrat||03:40:56|04/14/2002|Hates it when presidencies don%27t stay fixed.%0D%0AJohn%0D%0AThis just in%3A Venezuela 1 USA 0.|5
11|3|Wrong scorecard|RBHam||03:47:46|04/14/2002|Venezuela 1 CIA 0.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe USA should get rid of the CIA - the way JFK wanted to break them up and scatter them to the winds.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe CIA aren%27t about protecting Americans - they%27re about protecting wealthy corporations%2C regardless of country.%0D%0A%0D%0AWhen%2C oh when%2C will they learn%3F|6
8|2|Thanks for the link%21|IndianaGreen||03:44:04|04/14/2002|This is the first time that the Bushista juggernaut has been stopped. Our congratulations are in order to the people of Venezuela that%2C against all odds%2C took matters into their own hands and restored Constitutional government.%0D%0A%0D%0AThis is a victory for democracy and for freedom%21%0D%0A%0D%0AEat your heart out media whores%21|5
29|3|We don%27t owe them congratulations|Sanctimonious_Liberal||12:21:40|04/14/2002|We owe them a great big wet sloppy kiss and the greatest of THANKS for having the fortitude and temerity to do what we lacked the spine to accomplish when our own elected government was hijacked.%0D%0A%0D%0AIf only we had a real press with a real foreign service bureau%2C this story would get the legs that it deserves.  But it embarrasses the hell out of the misadministration%2C so it will be vapor by Tuesday.  When was the last time you heard a peep about Argentina%3F|8
7|1|Chavez arrives back at presidential palace shortly after 3 a.m.|Mika||03:43:48|04/14/2002|-Chavez Returns To Venezuela-%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fworldlatest%2Fstory%2F0%2C1280%2C-1659795%2C00.html%0D%0A%0D%0A%2Asnip%2A%0D%0A%0D%0A Sunday April 14%2C 2002 8%3A20 AM%0D%0ACARACAS%2C Venezuela %28AP%29 - Hugo Chavez was freed by his military captors and returned to reclaim the Venezuelan presidency Sunday%2C greeting a cheering throng of supporters as he stepped out of a helicopter%2C smiled and raised a fist in triumph. %0D%0A%0D%0AHundreds of people outside the palace and thousands in the street beyond began singing the Venezuelan national anthem. %0D%0A%0D%0AChavez%2C who was ousted by the military on Friday%2C arrived at the Miraflores presidential palace shortly after 3 a.m. in a dramatic restoration of power following the resignation of Pedro Carmona%2C who resigned amid violent protests after just one day in office as interim president. %0D%0A%0D%0AChavez%27s vice president%2C Diosdado Cabello%2C had declared himself acting president until Chavez%27s return from military custody. %0D%0AChavez%27s family%2C supporters and former government officials insisted he never resigned as president%2C as Carmona and Venezuela%27s high command have claimed. %0D%0A%0D%0A%60%60Today we are celebrating a new democracy%2C%27%27 said one man who took a microphone to greet Chavez. %0D%0A%0D%0AThe Organization of American States was sending a delegation to Venezuela to assess the situation. Chavez is a former army paratrooper who led a failed 1992 coup but was elected in 1998 on an anti-poverty platform. His term was to end in 2006. %0D%0A%0D%0AChavez%27s attorney general%2C Isaias Rodriguez%2C told Carmona%27s ministers they were under arrest pending possible charges. %0D%0A%0D%0A%60%60They must take responsibility. They will be put on trial with all their rights%2C but they will be put on trial%2C%27%27 Cabello said. Some military officials also would be tried for military rebellion%2C he said. %0D%0A%0D%0ATens of thousands of people surrounded the presidential palace Sunday after news of Carmona%27s resignation. They set off powerful fireworks as they waited for Chavez%27s anticipated return from military custody. %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A|0
30|2|If I were Hugo Chavez|Sanctimonious_Liberal||12:24:10|04/14/2002|I%27d stay the hell away from helicopters for a while.|7
13|1|Venezuelan National Anthem %28with translation%29|Onemore||03:56:27|04/14/2002|CHORUS%0D%0A%0D%0AGloria al bravo pueblo%0D%0Aque el yugo lanz%F3%0D%0Ala ley respetando%0D%0Ala virtud y honor.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28repeat chorus%29%0D%0A%0D%0A1%0D%0A%A1Abajo cadenas%21%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0Agritaba el Se%F1or%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0Ay el pobre en su choza%0D%0Alibertad pidi%F3%0D%0AA este santo nombre%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0A%0D%0Atembl%F3 de pavor%0D%0Ael vil ego%EDsmo%0D%0Aque otra vez triunf%F3.%0D%0A%28repeat previous two lines%29%0D%0A%0D%0ACHORUS%0D%0A%0D%0A2%0D%0A%0D%0AGritemos con br%EDo%3A%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0A%A1Muera la opresi%F3n%21%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0ACompatriotas fieles%2C%0D%0Ala fuerza es la uni%F3n%3B%0D%0Ay desde el Emp%EDreo%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0A%0D%0Ael Supremo Autor%2C%0D%0Aun sublime aliento%0D%0Aal pueblo infundi%F3.%0D%0A%28repeat previous two lines%29%0D%0A%0D%0ACHORUS%0D%0A%0D%0A3%0D%0A%0D%0AUnida con lazos%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0Aque el cielo form%F3%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0Ala Am%E9rica toda%0D%0Aexiste en naci%F3n.%0D%0AY si el despotismo%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0Alevanta la voz%0D%0Aseguid el ejemplo%0D%0Aque Caracas dio.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28repeat previous two lines%29%0D%0A%0D%0ACHORUS%0D%0A%0D%0AEnglish Translation%0D%0ACHORUS%0D%0A%0D%0AGlory to the brave nation%0D%0AWhich shook off the yoke%2C%0D%0ARespecting law%2C virtue%2C and honour.%0D%0A%28repeat chorus%29%0D%0A%0D%0A1%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Off with the chains%21 Off with the chains%21%22%0D%0ACried the Lord%2C cried the Lord%2C%0D%0AAnd the poor man in his hovel%0D%0AImplored freedom.%0D%0AAt this holy name%2C there trembled%0D%0AThe vile selfishness that had triumphed%2C%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0A%0D%0ACHORUS%0D%0A%0D%0A2%0D%0A%0D%0ALet%27s cry out aloud%2C let%27s cry out aloud%3A%0D%0ADown with oppression%21 Down with oppression%21%0D%0AFaithful countrymen%2C your strength%0D%0ALies in your unity%3B%0D%0AAnd from the heavens the supreme Creator%0D%0ABreathed a sublime spirit into the nation.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0A%0D%0ACHORUS%0D%0A%0D%0A3%0D%0A%0D%0AUnited by bonds%2C united by bonds%0D%0AMade by heaven%2C made by heaven%0D%0AAll America exists%0D%0Aas a Nation%3B%0D%0AAnd if tyranny raises its voice%2C%0D%0AFollow the example given by Caracas.%0D%0A%28repeat%29%0D%0A%0D%0ACHORUS%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DDon%27t bring out the General in you%21%0D%0A- Gilles Deleuze %26 Felix Guattari%2C %22A Thousand Plateaus%22%0D%0A%0D%0AThe thought that there might be a political response to fascism makes me laugh. Shall we set our little fascism against their big one%3F Organize ourselves%2C become disciplined%2C maybe we could make ourselves some smart uniforms and stomp about in the street%3F Politics is the last great sentimental indulgence of mankind%2C and it has never achieved anything except a deepened idiocy%2C more work%2C more repression%2C more pompous assholes demanding obedience. Quite naturally%2C we are bored of it to the point of acute sickness. I have no interest at all in groping at power in the blister. What matters is burning a hole through the wall. - Nick Land %5B%2Ffont%5D|0
17|2|Thank you for this post.|Tatiana||04:13:23|04/14/2002|How apt that the Venezolanos sang these very words of freedom as they welcomed their democratically elected president back home.  I tell ya%2C it brings tears to my eyes.  We need to take this same passion%2C intensity%2C and love of our Constitution to the April 20 gatherings.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DJoin the Democratic Underground Letter-Writing Committee and give the conservative press hell%21  Send a message to my inbox for details.%5B%2Ffont%5D|13
15|1|Let this be a lesson to all Americans|Tatiana||04:06:40|04/14/2002|We cannot stand by idly and watch our Constitution and democracy be stolen by an unjust and corrupt junta ever again.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5DThe protests made clear that support for Mr. Ch%E1vez continued strong in the poorest sections of the city%2C in tumbledown slums and open-air commercial districts that helped propel him to power. Shouting so hard that some of them cried%2C the protesters delivered a message that was strident but simple%3A Mr. Ch%E1vez%27s presidency came through the people%27s votes and could not be undone by special interests.%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2002%2F04%2F14%2Finternational%2Famericas%2F14POOR.html%0D%0A%0D%0AI find myself crying at their bravery and perseverance.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DJoin the Democratic Underground Letter-Writing Committee and give the conservative press hell%21  Send a message to my inbox for details.%5B%2Ffont%5D|0
16|1|The brief and terrible reign of Pedro Carmona|Onemore||04:09:13|04/14/2002|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.com%2Fnews%2F735910.asp%0D%0A%0D%0AChavez administration officials %97 many of whom had evaded dozens of police raids under Carmona%92s brief reign %97 and loyalist military officers hugged each other in the palace%92s marble-floored courtyard.%0D%0A       %0D%0A%93In these past two days they have persecuted us%2C%94 said Rafael Ramirez%2C president of the state-run national gasoline company.%0D%0A       %0D%0AUnshaved and with red-rimmed eyes%2C Ramirez said he had hidden in friend%92s homes after Chavez%92s arrest on Friday. Asked about the turnaround%2C Ramirez said%3A %93It%92s marvelous because the Venezuelan people responded to this illegal coup attempt.%94%0D%0A       %0D%0AChavez%92s labor minister%2C Maria Cristina Iglesias%2C said Chavez was kept on Orchila Island off the Venezuelan coast.%0D%0A       %0D%0AJust hours earlier%2C interim President Carmona %97 a businessman and co-leader of a general strike called last week against Chavez %97 announced he had resigned.%0D%0A       %0D%0ACarmona was named president by the military high command Friday%2C hours after generals arrested Chavez for allegedly ordering gunmen to fire on a massive opposition protest on Thursday. Sixteen died and hundreds were wounded in the melee.%0D%0A       %0D%0ADozens more died in rioting and looting on Saturday.%0D%0A       %0D%0ACaracas Mayor Alfredo Pena said at least another nine people were killed and 40 wounded Saturday. But an Associated Press reporter witnessed dozens of bodies at city hospitals.%0D%0A%0D%0A---snip---%0D%0A%0D%0ASickening.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DDon%27t bring out the General in you%21%0D%0A- Gilles Deleuze %26 Felix Guattari%2C %22A Thousand Plateaus%22%0D%0A%0D%0AThe thought that there might be a political response to fascism makes me laugh. Shall we set our little fascism against their big one%3F Organize ourselves%2C become disciplined%2C maybe we could make ourselves some smart uniforms and stomp about in the street%3F Politics is the last great sentimental indulgence of mankind%2C and it has never achieved anything except a deepened idiocy%2C more work%2C more repression%2C more pompous assholes demanding obedience. Quite naturally%2C we are bored of it to the point of acute sickness. I have no interest at all in groping at power in the blister. What matters is burning a hole through the wall. - Nick Land %5B%2Ffont%5D|0
18|1|good for Chavez%21|Aidoneus||05:52:09|04/14/2002|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Apr-14-02 AT 05:57 AM (ET)[/font][p]I didn%27t think much of him before%2C but this has been quite an episode.  A victory for the poor%3B--a defeat for the IMF%2C UNOCAL%2C CANF%2C CIA%2C and their fascist coup and military dictatorship... Bravo Chavez%21%0D%0A%0D%0AI%27ve such admiration for the bravery of the people of Venezuela %26 Argentina so far this year.  They%27re just not taking shit anymore from the IMF %26 co. ... a lesson to the whole world%21%0D%0A%0D%0AThank you%2C to everybody who%27ve been keeping DU up to date about this.  Not often do we get to read about the IMF%2C CIA%2C etc.. getting pissed on bigtime%2C but it%27s always great when it happens%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Bi%5D%22The liberty of man exists solely in this%3A that he obeys natural laws because he has%5B%2Fi%5D himself %5Bi%5Drecognized them as such%2C and not because they have been externally imposed upon him by any extrinsic will whatever%2C divine or human%2C collective or individual.%22%5Bi%5D Mikhail Bakunin%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5D%22Every deep thinker is more afraid of being understood than of being misunderstood.%22%5B%2Fi%5D Friedrich Nietzsche%5B%2Ffont%5D|0
21|1|The Military Generals that opposed|0007||09:17:19|04/14/2002|Hugo Chevaz  and  inclined not to support or protect him during the take over will get a fair trail.%0D%0A%0D%0AMeanwhile the Firing Squad is warming up%21|0
23|1|Was this a land-based %22bay of pigs%3F%22|cameron22||09:57:06|04/14/2002|The repugs in Congress will be beating the war drums and if it were not for the oil there we would impose sanctions against the elected government.|0
24|1|Viva Chavez%21|rusty||10:04:44|04/14/2002|Plainly%2C the US has far exceeded anything in S. America in terms of cynacism.  Who is the banana republic now%3F|0
25|2|The feeling from the beginning was that bush ordered this coup|EXPAT||10:57:13|04/14/2002|   The feeling among the people of the Caribbean is that this coup was ordered by bush. %0D%0A%0D%0AI hadn%27t checked the morning news and the locals here asked me if I heard about the CIA%2Fbush coup. %28This a couple of days ago  when the legal Prez was removed from office -- or the news was he %22resigned%22.%29 So I heard the Caribbean version first before reading the Internet version and later the BBC version. %0D%0A%0D%0AThe first thing that the locals here told me -- bush ordered him gone. There was a lot of anger -- not directed toward me but toward bush and his Oil buddies. %22It is the oil -- dat bush gotta control the oil.%22 %0D%0A%0D%0ANow I got to give some of the locals the good news -- the legal Prez has been restored. However%2C the mistrust of the US OIL administration remains. %0D%0A%0D%0Areporting from the Caribbean%2C%0D%0A%0D%0Aexpat|24
26|1|Bay of Pigs it is%21|jmcgowanjm||11:18:35|04/14/2002|You%27re right IG-had their signals hijacked by Chavez loyalists-the media is totally compromised on this one. %0D%0AThe army commander%2C Gen. Efrain Vasquez%2C made the demands at a news conference at a base on the outskirts of Caracas. The army %22is doing what%27s necessary to immediately correct the errors committed in this transition process%2C%22 Vasquez said.%0D%0A%0D%0A Chavez%2C a former army paratroop colonel who led a failed 1992 coup but was elected in 1998 on an anti-poverty platform%2C was%0D%0A being detained. Barreto%2C speaking on state TV%2C said Chavez %22is kidnapped right now on Orchila Island%22 and that several military%0D%0A bases across the nation are under control of pro-Chavez forces.%0D%0A%0D%0A He urged the dissolved National Assembly to report to the TV station and said Chavez%27s Cabinet was in the presidential palace with%0D%0A Cabello.%22contracontrarrevoluci%F3n%22.  The causes of which it has happenened already we will analyze them with calma%1D%2C is this%0D%0A                  Ch%E1vez.%0D%0A%0D%0ALlamo to that we Keep moving to passage of winners%2C to if that I was myself and last night seeing stars by there%2Cin Turiamo%2C and I finish east madrugador message here%2C to my dear country%2C my dear Venezuela%2C my querid%EDsimo town%2C my querid%EDsimos boys of the Armed Forces and girls of the Armed Forces%2C were watching a star and thinking%2C watching it fixedly%2C thinking about many things about the family%2C Maria Isabel%2C I could not speak with her%2C in my children%2C my five children%2C where they will be%2C she said%2C God%2C cu%EDdamelos %22%2C is this Ch%E1vez.%0D%0A%0D%0AWill CNN talk about these deaths%3F Nine people have died and other 48 have been hurt in the disturbances that preceded in Caracas to the return of %27 chavistas%27. All the victims took bullet hits. Between deads there are three police. One of the deceaseds is a young person of 18 years with 16 firings in the body. The victims said to be attacked during the manifestations of support to Ch%E1vez in the neighborhoods of the Palace of Miraflores.%0D%0A%0D%0ABEGINNING OF THE END FOR CARMONA%28Otto Reich %2CNegroponte%2C Kissinger%2C Poppy Bush%2C Felix Guttierrez%28where%27s Che%27s watch-rumor%29%2C Iran%2Fcontra freaking here%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%22Very soon we will have President Hugo Chavez directing%2C once again%2C affairs of state in Venezuela%2C%22 Iglesias said. She called for the military high command and Carmona to meet with Chavez%27s forces.%0D%0A%0D%0A Carmona%2C during an earlier interview with the CNN en Espanol%2C said Chavez was well and would soon leave Venezuela for an%0D%0A unspecified destination. He also acknowledged that air force officers were rebelling in the central city of Maracay.%0D%0APolice shot tear gas%2C including in front of the presidential palace%2C at spontaneous pro-Chavez demonstrations in wide areas of this%0D%0A tropical city of 5 million. Protesters%2C chanting %22Chavez will be back%21%22 and %22Democracy%2C not dictatorship%2C%22 dispersed%2C then reformed%0D%0A under a haze of tear gas.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A In contrast to Chavez%27s strained relations with the United States%2C Venezuela%27s new foreign minister-designate%2C Jose Rodriguez%2C said Saturday he wants tight relations with Washington and called Colombian rebels %22double enemies of humanity.%22 President Bush%28%5Byahoo.com%5D-news - web sites%29 wants to increase military aid to Colombia to fight the rebels%2C and Venezuela%27s cooperation would be an important aspect%28Big time fuck up statement%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A In an interview with The Associated Press%2C Rodriguez denied that Friday%27s swearing in of Carmona was a coup in disguise.%0D%0A Mexico%2C Argentina and Paraguay%28Yeah these guys%21%29 are among other Latin American countries that have denounced Venezuela%27s new government as illegitimate.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A %22What we need to explain before our colleagues in the continent is that this is not a coup%2C although the situation is obviously not normal%2C legally and constitutionally%2C as we would wish%2C%22 Rodriguez said%28Another Fuck up statement%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A Washington said Chavez was responsible for his own ouster because of attempts to violently suppress Thursday%27sdemonstration%0D%0A against him%28whoever said this is royally swinging in the wind%21%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A Chavez had ordered National Guard troops and civilian gunmen%2C including rooftop snipers%2C to fire on the marchers%2C military%0D%0A officers said%28these mil officers are in the deepest of of shit%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AGo to dinoboy%27s late break site for links%28El Mundo translation Google on this%29.  Sorry for rush edit.%0D%0A%0D%0AEveryone%27 exposed. More than Bay of Pigs- Venezuela is our gas station.  Oil fell Bigtime on Chavez%27s ouster. Expect chaos and or military action before the end of this week.  This cannot stand for Washington%2FIMF%2F Financial Centers.%0D%0A|0
28|1|MSNBC still reporting by ticker that Chavez has resigned|remfan||11:33:06|04/14/2002|%2Agiggle%2A%0D%0A%0D%0AI caught the news of Chavez being back at 5%3A30 this morning %28CNN%29%2C and just a few minutes ago flipped to MSNBC to check their coverage of the ME%2C and low and behold MSNBC is running the SAME news ticker they were running at 10%3A00 last night %28Chavez being held%2C military deciding on possible charges%2C Chavez leaving the country%2C etc.%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DConservative society works by breaking down the rational mind and replacing it with a set of primitive associations that can be activated selectively by those in power.  ---  Phil Agre %5B%2Ffont%5D|0
31|2|They were obviously waiting for new instructions|IndianaGreen||14:36:52|04/14/2002|If there were any doubts that the US media is a mouthpiece of the Reich House%2C now you have the evidence%21%0D%0A%0D%0AMakes one wonder as to how many other lies we are being told that have yet to be exposed%3F|28