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Canitbe (100 posts) Click to EMail Canitbe Click to send private message to Canitbe Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-24-02, 04:43 PM (ET)
The "Call" from Barbara Olson: Fact, or Key Lie?
Did Barbara Olson really call her husband Ted, moments before FL 77 supposedly crashed into the Pentagon?

Ted Olson is reported to have contacted CNN (less than 12 hours after the alleged crash in which his wife perished), to tell them about the "phone call" from Barbara.

Mr. Olson was not personally quoted in the news accounts of the alleged phone call.

What's even more curious is that Mr. Olson is said to have told CNN that his wife made the call from a phone attached to the back of a seat on the aircraft. She supposedly used that phone because she didn't have her cell phone, because it was in her purse, and she didn't have her purse with her, in the back of the aircraft (which is where she supposedly was, along with everyone else on board FL 77, except for the terrorist(s) "flying the B757).

The phone she is said to have used, would have required a credit card to be swiped to make the phone operable. Thus, she would have had to borrow someone else's credit card in order to make a phone call. Ted supposedly told CNN that she called him collect. However; once a credit card is swiped, you can begin using the phone to make calls. So, no collect call would have been made.

If there are records reflecting a call to the Justice Department (where Ted was on the morning of 9-11), and a charge on a credit card for use of a phone aboard FL 77, that would be strong evidence that the "call" story is true.

If no such phone call was made, then much of the official story line about 9-11 events is subject to even more doubt.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Huh? sally343434 Dec-24-02 1
   Is this something new? stickdog 12/28/2002 52
 Why the collect call instead of using credit boloboffin Dec-24-02 2
   Why the collect call? DulceDecorum 12/26/2002 17
       When Barbara made the call, all she knew... boloboffin 12/26/2002 26
       Let me add that if I'm on the plane and the terrorists are somehow stickdog 12/28/2002 54
           I don't doubt it. boloboffin 12/28/2002 57
       Other unresolved issues (assuming B.O. DID call Ted). Canitbe 12/28/2002 82
   And it must be nice to be so above it all stickdog 12/28/2002 56
       I believe Ted said... boloboffin 12/28/2002 58
 Who cares? elastic Dec-24-02 3
   Pardon me DulceDecorum 12/24/2002 11
 Yes, curious LARED Dec-24-02 4
 It's bullsh** Skittles Dec-24-02 5
 Ted Olsen was interviewed about a week after 9-11 DoYouEverWonder Dec-24-02 6
   Ted Olson on MSNBC boloboffin 12/24/2002 7
       What, no call-forwarding? DulceDecorum 12/26/2002 19
           Your link doesn't work. boloboffin 12/26/2002 20
   This might help clarify some things. Canitbe 12/24/2002 8
       Clarifies a lot for me, thanks. boloboffin 12/24/2002 9
   Enough to baffle the curious, isn't it? Canitbe 12/25/2002 14
       Oprah, Larry and the others... DulceDecorum 12/26/2002 23
           Every story except this one.... boloboffin 12/26/2002 27
 glue pretzel4gore Dec-24-02 10
 We know the lying started from the git go Gman Dec-24-02 12
 please, the man's wife died qandnotq Dec-24-02 13
 Ted Olson on Lying JackRiddler Dec-25-02 15
 Amazing Concidence HarryLime Dec-25-02 16
   So? boloboffin 12/26/2002 18
       Let's see, DulceDecorum 12/26/2002 21
           Let's try this again....So? boloboffin 12/26/2002 22
               Cell phones, cell towers and flying. DulceDecorum 12/26/2002 24
                   And this is all important because.... boloboffin 12/26/2002 25
                       This is very important because; LARED 12/26/2002 28
                           Foolish rant DulceDecorum 12/26/2002 30
                               Anything to avoid answering my questions - tut, tut, tut. boloboffin 12/26/2002 32
                       Because the official story has so many holes in it Aries 12/26/2002 29
                           I'm sorry, weren't we discussing Olson's phone call? boloboffin 12/26/2002 31
                               Since your signature line DulceDecorum 12/26/2002 33
                                   I will not answer questions from Dulce until she answers mine. boloboffin 12/27/2002 34
                                       Every time you paint yourself DulceDecorum 12/27/2002 48
                                           Dulce, you and I have history. boloboffin 12/28/2002 55
                                               No past, no present and definitely, no future DulceDecorum 12/29/2002 96
                                                   We may have the opposite problem here. Canitbe 12/29/2002 97
                               No need to be defensive... Aries 12/27/2002 35
                                   Red Herring boloboffin 12/27/2002 36
                                       "Begging the question" Aries 12/27/2002 37
                                           Another red herring... boloboffin 12/27/2002 38
                                               OK, you got me, counsellor! Aries 12/27/2002 39
                                                   The discussion continues (at last!).... boloboffin 12/27/2002 40
                                                       Would you settle for phone records? Canitbe 12/27/2002 41
                                                           Phone records would be good... boloboffin 12/27/2002 42
                                                               And we take his word...why? Aries 12/27/2002 43
                                                               THAT'S what makes it so easy to "sell" to the non-thining public. Canitbe 12/27/2002 46
                                                                   Should say non-thinKing public. Sorry. n/t Canitbe 12/27/2002 47
                                       airline-provided cellphone DulceDecorum 12/27/2002 50
                                           Sorry to burst your bubble, Dulce. boloboffin 12/28/2002 51
                                               Burst who's bubble? DulceDecorum 12/29/2002 84
                                                   God, you're dense. boloboffin 12/29/2002 89
                                                       Point taken DulceDecorum 12/29/2002 98
 aaannnnd? So the conclusion is? I'm confused... CaptainMidnight Dec-27-02 44
   The stewardess on the flight that hit the first tower DoYouEverWonder 12/28/2002 60
   Here's the link, DoYouEverWonder 12/28/2002 61
 You take his word because you don't have the evidence to prove he lied... boloboffin Dec-27-02 45
   Not if he is on record as a liar... Aries 12/27/2002 49
       Ted Olson's lies boloboffin 12/28/2002 53
           source? HarryLime 12/28/2002 59
               You got me, Harry. boloboffin 12/28/2002 66
                   Better Question? Canitbe 12/28/2002 68
                       Please see my post #70, "I believe I just got ungot." boloboffin 12/28/2002 72
                   Well, I believe I just got un-got. boloboffin 12/28/2002 70
                       You deserve every penny the Gov't is paying you. Canitbe 12/28/2002 73
                           Do you have any evidence that all DNA was destroyed... boloboffin 12/28/2002 75
                   thanks HarryLime 12/28/2002 81
                       There is, as in all forensic cases, a chain of evidence... boloboffin 12/29/2002 85
                   And I still want to know DulceDecorum 12/29/2002 83
                       I've already answered this question. boloboffin 12/29/2002 86
           Back to logical fallacies again Aries 12/28/2002 62
               No logical fallacies... boloboffin 12/28/2002 64
                   "I want to believe" Aries 12/29/2002 91
               boloboffin is anablep Canitbe 12/28/2002 65
                   ROTFLMAO! boloboffin 12/28/2002 67
 Phone Records would help resolve a lot of these questions. DoYouEverWonder Dec-28-02 63
   Records would help disperse the fog. Ergo, don't expect them. Canitbe 12/28/2002 69
       I have made many requests to people with the records. boloboffin 12/28/2002 71
           How did you make your requests and to whom did you make them? Canitbe 12/28/2002 74
                   In other words, DoYouEverWonder 12/28/2002 77
                       Another red herring. boloboffin 12/28/2002 78
                           So you can talk about whatever you wish DoYouEverWonder 12/28/2002 79
                               Why don't we just talk about the subject at hand? boloboffin 12/29/2002 88
                   boloboffin: You Can No Longer Be Taken Seriously. Canitbe 12/28/2002 80
                       Did you ever take me seriously in the first place? boloboffin 12/29/2002 87
                           the only fact that matters pretzel4gore 12/29/2002 90
                                   Your confusion is due to my poor wording. boloboffin 12/29/2002 94
                               I don't see anything in your post that I disagree with, pretzel4gore. boloboffin 12/29/2002 93
                                   This is getting hard to load. undergroundrailroad 12/29/2002 99

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sally343434 (89 posts) Click to EMail sally343434 Click to send private message to sally343434 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-24-02, 04:53 PM (ET)
1. Huh?
> The phone she is said to have used, would have required a
> credit card to be swiped to make the phone operable.

Not true. You can use seatback phones without a credit card.

> Ted supposedly told CNN that she called him collect.
> However; once a credit card is swiped, you can begin using the
> phone to make calls. So, no collect call would have been made.

See above reply. You can pick up the phone and make a collect call without using any credit card.

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stickdog (911 posts) Click to EMail stickdog Click to send private message to stickdog Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-28-02, 03:11 AM (ET)
Reply to post #1
52. Is this something new?
Airphones, IIRC, require a credit card swipe before they display anything other than "Swipe your credit card."
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boloboffin (268 posts) Click to EMail boloboffin Click to send private message to boloboffin Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-24-02, 05:04 PM (ET)
2. Why the collect call instead of using credit
If Barbara Olson had used someone's else credit card, she probably would have reversed the charges so as not to put such an high rate on the person's credit card. To the "hostages" there would have been a possibility that the call last for hours, and who has the credit to withstand a $10/minute charge to their credit card forever? By reversing the charges to the Justice Department, the other person's credit card would only have been charged 5 dollars for the connection fee.

https://www.aa.com/content/travelInformation/duringFlight/onboardTechnology.jhtml

All of this has made me wonder whether Barbara Olson is herself responsible for no other calls being made off that plane. Many people would have recognized her, and since the terrorists evidently told the hostages to call, she might have persuaded people not to, since that's what the terrorists wanted. Just one call to the Justice Department, to let the government know what was happening (which would also preserve her scoop on the whole story). Well, that's neither here nor there.

Well, you are right about the evidence for the call. I'd expect to see a five dollar charge on somebody's credit card that's associated with Flight 77 (someone might have had a loved one's credit card) and a huge collect call expense from the Justice Department.

Common sense will tell us, that the
power which hath endeavored to subdue
us, is of all others, the most improper to
defend us. -- Thomas Paine

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DulceDecorum (541 posts) Click to EMail DulceDecorum Click to send private message to DulceDecorum Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-26-02, 00:19 AM (ET)
Reply to post #2
17. Why the collect call?
To all my fellow posters here at the Democratic Underground:

Let me herby proclaim, candidly and without reservation, that if we are ever together on a plane that has been hijacked and I get a chance to call using your credit card, I will NOT call collect.
If we survive, I will totally reimburse you for much much more than the cost of that call, and if we die, like we probably will, what do you care about that charge?

Which one of you would let a credit card telephone charge stand between you and staying alive?

A call that "could last for hours," Boloboffin?
They should be so lucky.
How many HOURS worth of fuel did they have?

Think man.
If they turned off the transponders, they did not want to be tracked. Those calls would track them for sure.
There is something seriously wrong with this story.

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boloboffin (268 posts) Click to EMail boloboffin Click to send private message to boloboffin Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-26-02, 10:34 AM (ET)
Reply to post #17
26. When Barbara made the call, all she knew...
...all she could know was that the plane was hijacked. In that case, the plane would have simply landed, and the call still could go on for hours. Even one hour would have put a 600 dollar charge on someone's credit card, and since her husband was the Solicitor General, why not let the government pay for that call?

How do air traffic controllers track airplanes with cell phones? This is some new technology I'm unfamiliar with. How does anyone track the airplane with cell phones being used on board? Pray, enlighten us, oh Dulce....

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stickdog (911 posts) Click to EMail stickdog Click to send private message to stickdog Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-28-02, 03:31 AM (ET)
Reply to post #17
54. Let me add that if I'm on the plane and the terrorists are somehow
letting my fellow passengers Ghandi, Jesus, Lincoln, General Schwarzkopf and Edward R. Murrow use their airphones, it won't stop me from trying to use mine as well.
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boloboffin (268 posts) Click to EMail boloboffin Click to send private message to boloboffin Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-28-02, 03:39 AM (ET)
Reply to post #54
57. I don't doubt it.
As I said, that part was me thinking out loud, and now it does seem pretty silly.

Common sense will tell us, that the
power which hath endeavored to subdue
us, is of all others, the most improper to
defend us. -- Thomas Paine

On September 11th, 2001, Flight 77
turned off its transponder. Its radar image
was still clearly picked up, however, and
air traffic controllers watched this airplane
fly over Washington, DC and begin to circle
the Pentagon. Cellphone calls from Flight
77 confirm that the plane had been
hijacked by terrorists. Eyewitnesses saw a
757 circling the Pentagon in the exact
place where air traffic controllers
observed Flight 77 on their screens. Flight
77 descended, flew across a interstate
filled with rush hour traffic, and then
crashed into the Pentagon. The fire raged
and part of the Pentagon collasped. After
the fire was contained, pieces of Flight 77
were pulled from the lawn and the
wrecked building, along with the mortal
remains of Flight 77's passengers.

Freedom is the freedom to say that two
plus two make four. If that is granted, all
else follows. -- George Orwell, 1984

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Canitbe (100 posts) Click to EMail Canitbe Click to send private message to Canitbe Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-28-02, 11:24 PM (ET)
Reply to post #17
82. Other unresolved issues (assuming B.O. DID call Ted).
Let us assume, for a moment, that Mrs. Olson DID call Ted from an airplane on 9-11. Even if "records" were released substantiating a cell phone (or seat phone) call from an airliner to Ted Olson, I'd still want to know:

1. WHAT aircraft the calls were made from.

2. WHERE the plane was at the time (D.C. area, PA, or _)?

Maybe the records would be sufficient. For example, if the calls were made on an AA phone, maybe the records would support THAT claim (the claim that she called from FL 77)-- assuming the records could be authenticated, of course.

It is entirely possible that Mrs. Olson DID call Ted --- but from WHERE? Was she aboard the plane known as FL 93?

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stickdog (911 posts) Click to EMail stickdog Click to send private message to stickdog Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-28-02, 03:38 AM (ET)
Reply to post #2
56. And it must be nice to be so above it all
that you don't carry your own credit card with you on plane trip.
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boloboffin (268 posts) Click to EMail boloboffin Click to send private message to boloboffin Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-28-02, 03:43 AM (ET)
Reply to post #56
58. I believe Ted said...
...that Barbara didn't have her phone with her, that she was hustled to the back without being allowed to retrieve it. I'm betting she didn't have her purse with her either, which is where her credit cards would be. However, someone would have a wallet on them, with their own credit cards. That's where she gets the credit card to swipe, and then reverses the charges to the Justice Department. It's a story consistent with all revealed facts.

Common sense will tell us, that the
power which hath endeavored to subdue
us, is of all others, the most improper to
defend us. -- Thomas Paine

On September 11th, 2001, Flight 77
turned off its transponder. Its radar image
was still clearly picked up, however, and
air traffic controllers watched this airplane
fly over Washington, DC and begin to circle
the Pentagon. Cellphone calls from Flight
77 confirm that the plane had been
hijacked by terrorists. Eyewitnesses saw a
757 circling the Pentagon in the exact
place where air traffic controllers
observed Flight 77 on their screens. Flight
77 descended, flew across a interstate
filled with rush hour traffic, and then
crashed into the Pentagon. The fire raged
and part of the Pentagon collasped. After
the fire was contained, pieces of Flight 77
were pulled from the lawn and the
wrecked building, along with the mortal
remains of Flight 77's passengers.

Freedom is the freedom to say that two
plus two make four. If that is granted, all
else follows. -- George Orwell, 1984

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elastic (813 posts) Click to EMail elastic Click to send private message to elastic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Dec-24-02, 05:07 PM (ET)
3. Who cares?
Why would anyone believe Ted Olson? He has already said that lying is ok,under oath.
No links,which is it Art bell or the Rupert fraud?

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DulceDecorum (541 posts)