LAST EDITED ON Sep-17-02 AT 12:45 PM (ET)Ok, it's time again for the Building 7.
However everyone who thinks, he can disturb this thread with aggressive vibes, should be prepared to come to an ignore or ban list.
This is an investigative topic only.
I would advise every guest and supporter to inform the DU-administrators about every troll, who joins this thread.
Thx
To begin with:
Evidence of cutter charges in Building 7?
Email from a reader
(*thx to WRH)
"...I was looking at the video of the WTC7 "collapse" and found some interesting things in the pictures. Picture 1 is just when the collapse started...Pictures 2-4 show (highlighted) puffs of smoke coming out of the upper floors. The puffs appear to come out of the columns. My guess is the columns were kind enough to destroy themselves to prevent the building from falling outward towards the building across the street!!!! How nifty!!..."
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.rm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7big.rm
(the collapse is also included in the CBS documentary by the french filmmakers)
"...Take a close look at the manner in which it collapses straight down. For this building to collapse in this fashion, ALL of the load bearing supports would have had to fail (or be cut) at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME. Think this happens by chance? The claim that the collapse was the result of a fire requires the fire be equally distributed throughout the entire floor of the building, providing equal heat for an equal amount of time, so that all the load bearings members would fail at the exact same moment. (Shown under "fair use" for non-profit educational purposes.)..."
Other sources:
WTC Building 7 Mystery
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ground_zero2001&msg=836.1
Approximately 7 hours after fires initiated in WTC 7, the building collapsed. The start of a timed collapse sequence was based on 17:20:33, the time registered by seismic recordings.."
About the penthouse:
From an inofficial study
(there was never a testimony!)
http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtc-report/WTC_ch5.pdf
~5:21:03 p.m. Approximately 30 seconds later, Figure 5-21 shows the east mechanical penthouse
disappearing into the building. It takes a few seconds for the east penthouse to “disappear” completely.
~5:21:08 p.m. Approximately 5 seconds later, the west mechanical penthouse disappears (Figure 5-22)
or sinks into WTC 7.
~5:21:09 p.m. Approximately 1 or 2 seconds after the west penthouse sinks into WTC 7, the whole
building starts to collapse. A north-south “kink” or fault line develops along the eastern side as the building
begins to come down at what appears to be the location of the collapse initiation.
~5:21:10 p.m. WTC 7 collapses completely after burning for approximately 7 hours.
The collapse appeared to initiate at the lower floors, allowing the upper portion of the structure to fall.
From the study:
(This report also implied, that the damage was not the reason for the collapse of B7)
"...It does not appear that the collapse of WTC 1 affected the roof, or the east, west, and north elevations
of WTC 7 in any significant way..."
or this part:
"...damage to the southwest corner of WTC 7 at approximately
floors 8 to 20, 24, 25, and 39 to 46.."
This doesn't matter, because there was no gas tank between 8 to 20, 24 and 25 and 39 to 46th floor (where the SSB was and they probably even didn't discharge diesel oil, as we learned- please read the report. It also includes a list of the tenants)
At that time please "note the two mechanical penthouses of WTC 7
are intact..."
For newbies and supporters of this topic:
We are supported by CON EDISON, who just filed a lawsuit against Building 7. However they believe, that the diesel tanks had been reason for the destruction.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/11/nyregion//11BLAS.html
Con Ed and Insurers Sue Port Authority Over 7 World
Trade
By JAMES GLANZ
"...Consolidated Edison and five of its insurers have
filed a $314.5 million lawsuit against the Port
Authority of New York and New Jersey, asserting that
huge diesel tanks in 7 World Trade Center, an office
building that collapsed late in the day last Sept. 11,
were improperly designed and maintained. The suit
charges that fires fed by the fuel in those tanks
played a major role in the collapse.
A major Con Edison electrical substation that sat
beneath 7 World Trade Center — a 47-story high-rise
just north of the twin towers — was destroyed when the
building collapsed.
"The insurers are trying to recover what they paid to
us and we're trying to recover some of our uninsured
losses," said Chris Olert, a Con Edison spokesman.
"There was negligent design, inspection, maintenance
and operation of the diesel fuel tanks there. The
diesel tanks caused the building to collapse."
Building 7 was controlled by the military since end of 2000.
http://homes.wsj.com/columnists_com/bricks/20020710-bricks.html
"...But it's not clear whether Mr. Silverstein can use
those proceeds to start building without first
reaching an agreement with the mortgage holder on 7
World Trade Center, Blackstone Real Estate
Advisors...."
http://www.blackstone.com/news/press_releases%255C7_world_trade_oct_2000.pdf
"New York, NY October 17, 2000: Blackstone Real Estate Advisors, the global real estate investment and management arm of The Blackstone Group, L.P., announced today that it has purchased, from Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association, the participating mortgage secured by 7 World Trade Center, a commercial office complex controlled by real estate developer Larry Silverstein"
(CEO is currenltly sitting on a commission headed by Peterson at The Conference Board)
http://burningbush.netfirms.com/TIAA-CREF.html
info on tenants (which include CIA/DOD, 24th floor):
http://burningbush.netfirms.com/7WTC.html
(*thx to JohnHorne)
Blackstone is owned by the TRW Group, who just mergered with Raytheon. They have ties with the Carlyle Group and Henry Kissinger.
Kissinger-Blackstone Connection
Blackstone is official partner von Kissinger Associates,
Pete Peterson is "Foreign Affairs Bureau of New York".
American International Group, Inc.
1. Henry Kissinger chairs both AIG's International
Advisory Board and the advisory boards of several
AIG-sponsored Infrastructure Funds
2. AIG has an ownership interest in Blackstone and is
an investor in several of Blackstone's private equity
funds
3. AIG and Blackstone have a joint venture,
specializing in restructuring and M&A advisory
services in selected Asian countries
4. The AIG-Blackstone-Kissinger Associates venture
recently completed its first advisory assignment on
behalf of a New York Stock Exchange listed U.S.
company
NOTE:
Mystery remains about the reasons of the DoD in Building 7.
In 2001 they tested a new microwave weapon system in Nevada,
called thermobarics, later used in ToraBora.
NOTE2:
The OEM had it's "bunker" on the 23rd floor, which was constructed with the help of Jerome Hauer.
He was responsible for organising a security job for former FBI-Top Anti-Terror specialiist John O'Neill.
O'Neill died in the Twin Towers on Sep11th.
Hauer is also a friend of current anthrax suspect Stephen Hatfill. Both worked together in 1999 at the SAIC and held a speech together in 1998 at the CFR about BioTerrorism.
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102
May 21, 1998 , New York, NY
" Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge and U.S. Response "
http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html
Hauer was also managing director of the crisis and consequence group at Kroll Worldwide, a security consulting company based in New York.
Kroll is the official security + bodyguard company for all american presidents since 1945.
Hauer was also involved in a shady business deal about West Nile Vaccines in 1998.
Oravax developed the vaccines.
Mainly responsible for this decision:
Hauer and (CDC) advisor Col. Thomas Monath (Ex-USAMRIID)/Oravax,
who is another friend of Hatfill.
Hauer started already to work as a National Security advisor to Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson on Sep10th.
He's now leading the office.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/living/health/3020501.hym
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html
Hauer was also a member of the John Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense and later involved in the June 2001 BioTerror Exercise "DARK WINTER", produced by the CFR, CSIS, the Oklahoma Prevention Center for Terrorism and ANSER/Institute for Homeland Security (established in 1999)
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html
Hauer never explained the reasons for a Commando Center in B7.
After Building 7 collapsed, a few weeks later the CIA confirmed, that they had an office in B7.
Hauer once tried to blame the anthrax attack on Iraq:
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html
"...With intelligence pouring in that indicated the terrorist network is allied with Sadaam Hussein's bioweapons laboratory personnel, as well as missing Russian BW scientists, Hauer said they are scrambling in Washington to get ready.."
On September 14th, FBI agent Barry Mawn, who resigned under unknown reasons in March 2002, classified a passpord in front of Building 7 on Vesey Street.
Sunday, September 16, 2001
"...FBI Assistant Director Barry Mawn did not disclose the name on the passport or other details, but the discovery prompted an intensive search for evidence blocks from the towers that were brought down in Tuesday's terrorist attacks by two hijacked planes..."
Passpord in the rubble of B7:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_suspects.html
The name of the passpord was officially Satam Al Suqami.
Barry Mawn was also the first FBI agent, who knew about John O'Neills stolen brief case:
http://www.newyorker.com/FACT/?020114fa_FACT1
"...His briefcase, which contained classified material, was missing. O'Neill immediately called the local police, and they found the briefcase a couple of hours later, in another hotel. A Montblanc pen had been stolen, along with a silver cigar cutter and a lighter. The papers were intact; fingerprint analysis soon established that they had not been touched....
...He phoned me and said, 'I gotta tell you something,' " Barry Mawn recalled. O'Neill told Mawn that the briefcase contained some classified E-mails and one highly sensitive document, the Annual Field Office Report, which is an overview of every counter-terrorist and counter-espionage case in New York..."
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