"EXPOSED: British conservatives and the neo-nazi right."

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Thankfully_in_Britain (662 posts) Dec-10-01, 02:21 PM (ET) "EXPOSED: British conservatives and the neo-nazi right." Here in Britain our conservatives are in a bit of a mess. Not only have they lost two general elections on the trot by landslides but they are being taken over by extremists who are obsessed with the subject of race and immigration. As you can tell from this article these people are not the sort you would take home to mother. The tory party has become bigoted and hateful to an extroadinary degree and is now quite happy to foster links with neo-nazi groups such as Alleanza Nazionale in Italy and Le Pen's national front in France. And just in case you didn't know the BNP is the British National party. An openly neo-nazi bunch dedicated to the cause of inciting racial hatred. Luckily these pillocks have not got a snowball's chance in hell of getting into power but they still need to be stopped before they cause any more hatred and division. http://www.consider.net/forum_new.php3?newTemplate=OpenObject&newTop=200112100020&newDisplayURN=200112100020 Iain Duncan Smith has forced the MPs Angela Watkinson, Andrew Hunter and Andrew Rosindell to quit the Monday Club. The club is a far-right pressure group that supports the repatriation of immigrants (one 1995 leaflet depicted black people being tipped out of a rubbish bin) and has links with white supremacist groups in South Africa and Zimbabwe. Duncan Smith has suspended them from the party until they promise to cease campaigning on the issue of immigration. Yet the Monday Club is but one example of a dense network of Tory links with the far right. Look, for example, to the 500-strong pro-Tory pressure group the Swinton Circle, formed in the 1970s by backers of Enoch Powell. Their regular journal informs us that in this country we are suffering from "an asylum invasion". And the British National Party is merely a "breakaway party" from the Tories. These are their publicly stated views. One active member of the Swinton Circle is Bill Binding, the former deputy leader of the British Ku Klux Klan and a big fan of IDS. Even though Binding stood as a BNP candidate in 1997, the Conservative Party seems to think he has changed his views so much that he need not be expelled from its ranks. His comments remain, however, bogged down in racial pseudo-science. He defends himself against charges of racism by imploring us to look at "these Jews in Stamford Hill, are 82 per cent northern hemisphere Neolithic". All Tory members will receive a letter soon saying that any link with a far-right group "is not compatible with membership of, or association with, any political party". It claims that they will be expelled if any such links are uncovered. Yet the Swinton Circle doesn't seem to count as such a group. (snip) Michael Ancram, now the shadow foreign secretary, was presented with evidence in 1999 that a member of the Tory party called Stuart Millson publicly described himself as a "fascist" and had befriended Jean-Marie Le Pen, the leader of the French National Front. Ancram, then party chairman, did nothing. So Stuart Parker, the concerned party member who was trying to warn Ancram of the looming PR disaster posed by members such as this, wrote to him again. Still Ancram did nothing. When Parker, the vice-chairman of Bethnal Green Conservatives and a lifelong Tory, continued to warn him, Ancram wrote back saying he should "never" be contacted again on this matter. Parker fears that "BNP infiltration of grass-roots Tory constituencies is happening all over the country. The leadership knows this, but they have chosen not to act." Sitting with Ancram at the shadow cabinet table is Bill Cash, now shadow attorney general. Cash invited the Alleanza Nazionale leader in the European Parliament, Cristiana Muscardini, and her party president, Gianfranco Fini, to visit the London HQ of his anti-European pressure group, the European Foundation. The Foundation's Italian "head of office" writes regularly for the Alleanza's newspaper, Il Secolo d'Italia. Yet why should IDS crack down on links with foreign groups such as this when even the recent crackdown on the Monday Club has been carried out reluctantly and against his gut instincts? As he told the Sunday Telegraph in September, the Monday Club is "a viable group within the party and they are, in a sense, what the party is all about". "What the party is all about." An unsurprising comment, given that IDS has dabbled with the politics of the far right himself. Until his ascension to the leadership, Duncan Smith served as a vice-president of Conservatives Against a Federal Europe alongside the Monday Club president and Right Now! patron, Viscount Massereene and Ferrard. The viscount has been quoted as saying: "If you say I am a racist, yes I certainly am, and proud of it." (snip) "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." - Romans 12:2   Alert Edit | Reply | Top

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Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    More fodder: Remember Poppy's interest in Eugenics beware_of_god Dec-10-01 1    AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH Thankfully_in_Britain 12/10/2001 2  I gotta ask, what's PILLOCKS? Skittles Dec-10-01 3    Pillock=stupid person Thankfully_in_Britain 12/10/2001 4        My granddad (from Martham, near Great Yarmouth) Skittles 12/10/2001 5        yeah it is great Jen72 12/10/2001 6            I know what you mean Thankfully_in_Britain 12/11/2001 7                Hah! Perfect!! hatrack 12/11/2001 8                    I think that in the case of repukes........ Thankfully_in_Britain 12/11/2001 10                        Chimpy's "new international engagement" - already over hatrack 12/11/2001 12                            On the subject........... Thankfully_in_Britain 12/11/2001 13                        another difference Skittles 12/11/2001 15                            A lot of the press leans right. Thankfully_in_Britain 12/12/2001 16            Yup - the Canadian Allience Canada _AKA America Jr 12/12/2001 17  Just curious Thankfully. How much more of Chimpy's BS is Blair NNN0LHI Dec-11-01 9    I don't know. Thankfully_in_Britain 12/11/2001 11        How about the CIA and ignatius 12/11/2001 14

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beware_of_god (337 posts) Dec-10-01, 02:25 PM (ET) 1. "More fodder: Remember Poppy's interest in Eugenics" http://watch.pair.com/cnp2.html He's not MY dictator!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Thankfully_in_Britain (662 posts) Dec-10-01, 02:32 PM (ET) Reply to post #1 2. "AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH" Problem is, our tory freinds will beilve that sort of junk science. Ah well, at least there is plenty of Jesse Helms dirt there for another thread someday. (Why is it not suprising that Helms is linked with this shit?) "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." - Romans 12:2   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Skittles (767 posts) Dec-10-01, 02:33 PM (ET) 3. "I gotta ask, what's PILLOCKS?" I spent some of my childhood in England but don't remember that word. I also don't remember any conservatives; my family and friends were stricktly labour!!!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Thankfully_in_Britain (662 posts) Dec-10-01, 02:42 PM (ET) Reply to post #3 4. "Pillock=stupid person" or words to that effect Besides which, in Scouts we had a game we called "pillock on the hillock". As far as meeting tories, you can usually spot them as they are, true to form the ones ranting about how all the immigrants are ruining this country (if truth be known it is anti-immigration attitudes like that which do our country down more than anything else). I live and work in Essex, in some of the more virulently tory parts of the country and to be frank their attitudes towards immigration and race have made me quite some lefty. Same goes for a lot of other people too. The vast majority of British people are utterly repulsed by the racism of the tory right but they don't care. Tories never listen. They just seem to be intent on stirring up as much hate as possible whilst decending down to third party status. I can cope with tories being obliterated but racism I will fight with every bone in my body. "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." - Romans 12:2   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Skittles (767 posts) Dec-10-01, 05:39 PM (ET) Reply to post #4 5. "My granddad (from Martham, near Great Yarmouth)" very much disliked conservatives. He said he didn't survive Dunkirk to be talked down to by a bunch of greedy, pompous a**holes!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Jen72 (17 posts) Dec-10-01, 11:06 PM (ET) Reply to post #4 6. "yeah it is great" to watch. No other political party in the world would elect William Hague followed by Duncan Smith. The Conservatives are a dying breed. British Conservatives are usually xeniphobic, racist, anti-Europe (because they hate Europeans.) They are often staunch Royalists and capitalist Yuppies.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Thankfully_in_Britain (662 posts) Dec-11-01, 02:22 PM (ET) Reply to post #6 7. "I know what you mean" As far as Hauge goes, I'd thought I'd dig out one of our own little satirical gems: William Hague Film Reviews. (p.s he ain't leader of the tories no more folks, he's one hell of a loser) http://www.democraticunderground.com/movies/010504_phil.html British Conservatives are usually xeniphobic, racist, anti-Europe (because they hate Europeans.) They are often staunch Royalists and capitalist Yuppies." All sadly very true. I mean i'm a Euro-scpetic, but for different reasons to the tories. I'm a sceptic because I belive that the EU is too undemocratic and unaccountable, plus it is too buerocratic. Tories hate the EU because it is full of foreigners. The thing is, tory politics is no longer working for the tory party. Blair has nicked all of their clothes, is doing a better job then they did and the tories are unable to move on. No other political party is quite as much in denial as the British Conservative party. What saddens me, as you may gather from this thread is the way that they have decided to vilify anyone of a different race. I cannot support an party as institutionally racist as the tories. Fortunatly nobody else round here can either. "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." - Romans 12:2   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

hatrack (580 posts) Dec-11-01, 02:36 PM (ET) Reply to post #7 8. "Hah! Perfect!!" "Tories hate the EU because it is full of foreigners." This sounds exactly like the Ramapithicine Right here in the States - they virulently hate the 95% of the world that is not the United States because it is not the United States. Hence Chimpy, Helms, Burton, Armey, DeLay, Lott and the rest of the sorry crew. It's a sort of dark comfort to know that we're not alone in being hag-ridden by assholes like these.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Thankfully_in_Britain (662 posts) Dec-11-01, 02:42 PM (ET) Reply to post #8 10. "I think that in the case of repukes........" it is a lack of perspective as much as anything. America has little or no history and no idea of how anybody. Relickers need to realize that it is not America plus the rest of the world, it is the rest of the world plus America. "It's a sort of dark comfort to know that we're not alone in being hag-ridden by assholes like these." One major difference between the US and the UK is that our conservatives don't win elections. They are at least as unpopular as they fully deserve to be. "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." - Romans 12:2   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

hatrack (580 posts) Dec-11-01, 02:57 PM (ET) Reply to post #10 12. "Chimpy's "new international engagement" - already over" It's worth mentioning that a significant number of Republicans who were elected in 1994 quite literally boasted of not having passports. It's also worth mentioning that the only trip Bush had ever made to Europe was apparently some 20 years before last year's summit jaunt, and it was some sort of family vacation. Chimpy never studied abroad, speaks elephantine Spanish on a good day (though you'll remember in Spain that he had to switch back to English because Aznar couldn't understand him) and like most of the Rs he represents, generally ignores the remainder of the planet. Post-9/11, there were some flickers of hope that Bush would indeed abandon his farcical plans for a Pax Americana (enforced, one presumes, by a faith-based missile shield) and start trying to work in concert with other nations. No such luck. He did urge Congress to do its duty by voting to pay several years' worth of back dues to the UN, which it did. However, that's as bold a realignment as he's been willing to support. And, as last Friday showed, ChimpCo is happy to throw over the Biological Weapons Convention. The conference broke up in confusion and anger after the US proposed terminating the members' mandate. So much for the new and engaged Bush administration. At least Blair can speak in complete sentences - count your blessings on that score! I'd pay good money and plenty of it to see Bush in Question Time!!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Thankfully_in_Britain (662 posts) Dec-11-01, 03:24 PM (ET) Reply to post #12 13. "On the subject..........." At least Blair can speak in complete sentences - count your blessings on that score! I'd pay good money and plenty of it to see Bush in Question Time!! Here is an article about the tosser who has the job of interrogating Blair at PMQ's every week. He is Ian Dimwit-Smith, Ultra right wingnut and the most pathetic excuse for leader of the opposition imaginable. Relickers love this guy and will do almost anything to see him in No 10 Downing Street. What a shame they won't be getting their way eh folks! <sarcasm> I thought that I had better include this article as it accompanies the Far-right expose in the New Statesman this week. http://www.consider.net/forum_new.php3?newTemplate=OpenObject&newTop=200112100019&newDisplayURN=200112100019 ......He has barely scored once in weeks against a government that ought to be easy to embarrass. Here they are, at sixes and sevens over the future of the NHS, engaged in some kind of fratricidal war over the euro, still carrying Jo Moore and overseeing the first economic downturn since new Labour came to power. Who thinks the rail system is going to get better any time soon? Who will give short odds on the Chancellor, the Prime Minister, the Health Secretary and their numerous gabby advisers coming to an agreement on how to reform the health service? Who thinks their proposed "reform" of the Lords is anything other than cynical? Who thinks the Home Secretary's anti-terrorism measures deserve to get through parliament without being mauled? And yet, before the last election, the Tories' standing in the polls hovered between 26 and 29 per cent; their standing is currently - yes - between 26 and 29 per cent. IDS's latest personal poll rating (MORI's for the Times in November) puts him at 24 per cent - a point below William Hague's rating just before the June election. There has been no Tory turnaround. (snip) Most voters are watching the domestic front as much as the war, and it is here that Duncan Smith has failed to hit home at all. It is clearly a question of leadership, not just a Tory question. As a group, the Conservatives have done some fairly clever things recently. Michael Howard ditched the idea that they should cut taxes before they improve services, thus putting the party at long last on the same side of the argument as most voters. Some of their more energetic people, such as Liam Fox, have been travelling the world looking at alternative methods of running and funding public services. If Blair and Brown have failed by 2004, these ideas may begin to look attractive. Even poor old Oliver Letwin, whose big mouth got him into such trouble over the size of Tory tax cuts during the last election campaign, has been developing a more intelligent, libertarian home affairs agenda than the Tories have had for some time. No, the problem is the leader. Duncan Smith might have approved and even formally ordered these changes. But he is making no mark himself. In a ruthlessly presidential political system, he is a nice enough, hard-working, honest, uncharismatic, rather shy and profoundly old-fashioned man. As one of those who backed him for the leadership ruefully admitted to me last week, he's not exactly a man for the 21st century, is he? (snip) "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." - Romans 12:2   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Skittles (767 posts) Dec-11-01, 06:56 PM (ET) Reply to post #10 15. "another difference" your conservative wing doesn't own your media. That's how they get a lot of the sheep on their side. I am grateful that DU lets at least YOU know that there are people in the U.S. who know the score.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Thankfully_in_Britain (662 posts) Dec-12-01, 03:09 PM (ET) Reply to post #15 16. "A lot of the press leans right." On the whole the British press leans right but papers such as the Daily Express and Rupert Murdochs papers, the Times and the Sun support Labour because the conservatives are, quite frankly unsupportable. A lot of the same conservatives own a lot of the media here but the difference is that even Murdoch can't think of any good reasons to vote for the British Conservative party. It says something when our tories are just too pathetic for Murdoch to support. As for the BBC, the article does mention the fact that our wingnuts seem to think that the BBC is some sort of trotskyite cell because it happens to be more balanced then CNN and Fox. Make of that what you will. "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood" - Article 1: UN Declaration of Human Rights "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." - Romans 12:2   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Canada _AKA America Jr (264 posts) Dec-12-01, 03:54 PM (ET) Reply to post #6 17. "Yup - the Canadian Allience" Preston Manning and Stockwell Day Thier attempt to unite the right in Canada - an utter failure.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

NNN0LHI (1013 posts) Dec-11-01, 02:38 PM (ET) 9. "Just curious Thankfully. How much more of Chimpy's BS is Blair" going to take before he tells the Chimp to go take a flying F*#k out of the nearest window? I have began wondering if Blair has turned into Bush Light or something now for a couple of months. Any of your thoughts would be most appreciated. Cheers and beers. Don   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Thankfully_in_Britain (662 posts) Dec-11-01, 02:47 PM (ET) Reply to post #9 11. "I don't know." All to often Blair's talk about being a "bridge" between America and the rest of the world all too often actually means "doormat". It depends whether or not the opinion polls tell him to stand up to the wanker in the whitehouse or not. I mean the whole global statesman pallaver after 11.09.01 was done to get vote at home more than anything else. Everything Blair does is about getting votes. My advice is watch what happens with regard to Iraq. Personally I will not be in favour of military action against iraq until we have proof that they were involved in the events of 11.09.01. "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." - Romans 12:2   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

ignatius (739 posts) Dec-11-01, 04:37 PM (ET) Reply to post #11 14. "How about the CIA and" the recruiting of nazi spies after WW11? Apparently, declassified CIA files have confirmed this. http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/gehlen2.htm CIA=NAZIS makes perfect sense to me.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

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