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wallcrawler (89 posts) Jun-06-02, 05:57 PM (ET) INTERNET ARCHIVE DEVELOPS AMNESIA! -Mainstream Media haters your going love this Most internet surfers are aware of the Internet Archive, a 501C(3) foundation located at San Francisco's Presidio that maintains a continuous "snapshot" of internet websites (including this one). But in the weeks leading up to the attacks of 9-11, during the very weeks that foreign nations claim they were warning the US about a possible terror attack, something very odd has happened with the archive. As the above chart shows, the almost daily snapshots of news organization web sites stop in mid July, appear only sporadically throughout August and early September, and resume daily snapshots only after 9-11. Now you think about that one for a while. And if you have an archive of news articles for August 2001, hang onto them. www.whatreallyhappened.com   Alert Edit | Reply | Top

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Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    just thinking aljones Jun-06-02 1  Oh Please! beware_of_god Jun-06-02 2    Hey just because it is from "tinfoil hatters" it is no sign it is aut... LiberalLibra 06/06/2002 3        Gotcha! beware_of_god 06/06/2002 8  I guess they all stopped publishing since Bush was on vacation TruthIsAll Jun-06-02 4  easy to verify at archive.org, and I just did. Wonk Jun-06-02 5    I didn't know KC 06/06/2002 10    Thanks for that link wallcrawler 06/06/2002 16  Can you say "cover your tracks" Old and In the Way Jun-06-02 6  Did something happen in March, too? Terwilliger Jun-06-02 7    What the hec is this? wallcrawler 06/06/2002 9        Bush did know Terwilliger 06/06/2002 14            thanks for the response wallcrawler 06/06/2002 15                The Achives Crawler Ms_Crawl 06/07/2002 17  Very Curious Indeed rhubarb Jun-06-02 11  Try and Find Even One Press Acct of Bush's Announced Crawford Trip David Zephyr Jun-06-02 12    there are some rhubarb 06/06/2002 13

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aljones (53 posts) Jun-06-02, 06:03 PM (ET) 1. just thinking But it sounds kinda fishy to me Like something you would see on the x-files or something. Like the whole area 51 outcry of years gone by.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

beware_of_god (1148 posts) Jun-06-02, 06:06 PM (ET) 2. Oh Please! LAST EDITED ON Jun-06-02 AT 06:07 PM (ET) It was probably just REALLY boring, so they deleted it! You tinfoil hatters make me chuckle!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

LiberalLibra (678 posts) Jun-06-02, 06:13 PM (ET) Reply to post #2 3. Hey just because it is from "tinfoil hatters" it is no sign it is automatically wrong...... ....remember it is those tinfil hatters that have opened people's minds to finally ask questions. Half the stuff in the GD and Lounge is boring but it doesn't necessarily get deleted.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

beware_of_god (1148 posts) Jun-06-02, 06:43 PM (ET) Reply to post #3 8. Gotcha! sorry, that's my sense of humor.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

TruthIsAll (1420 posts) Jun-06-02, 06:17 PM (ET) 4. I guess they all stopped publishing since Bush was on vacation at the time and nothing much was happening. Who would be interested in reading about possible terrorist attacks?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Wonk (792 posts) Jun-06-02, 06:21 PM (ET) 5. easy to verify at archive.org, and I just did. Those gaps exist. The question is why. They could have been asked to remove them, they could have been busy archiving other sites (they aren't omniscient) or they could have spent a lot of August at the beach (less likely) or any of a number of possible explanations, including it being yet another bizarre coincidence. It is a bit odd how thouroughly jsonline.com was archived compared to the rest. Even jsonline (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel) has a gap from July 24 to Aug 29, though. I wonder if whatreallyhappened.com wants readers to just assume js means jewish or jerusalem without checking it out.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

KC (4 posts) Jun-06-02, 08:08 PM (ET) Reply to post #5 10. I didn't know that website even existed. But, what I'd like to know is how often it's updated, because when checking out the information for myself, I noticed almost nothing exists on there for 2002.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

wallcrawler (89 posts) Jun-06-02, 11:39 PM (ET) Reply to post #5 16. Thanks for that link Like it was asked before. how often does it get updated?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Old and In the Way (836 posts) Jun-06-02, 06:25 PM (ET) 6. Can you say "cover your tracks" Sounds like another dot that needs connecting. Enron, Inquisition, Selection 2000, Chickenhawks = It ain't treason, to state with reason, the Republicans are gone next voting season!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Terwilliger (1788 posts) Jun-06-02, 06:40 PM (ET) 7. Did something happen in March, too? nasdaq.com didn't get archived between March 2nd and the 31st...ooo! it's a conspiracy! Look for conspiracies where there more likely to exist. "We are ALL starstuff." -- Carl Sagan "He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice." -- Albert Einstein "Loyalty to the country always, loyalty to the government when it deserves it." -- Mark Twain Dark Angel Nation http://www.savedarkangel.org Member of the Grassy Knoll Society - who knows that BUSH KNEW!!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

wallcrawler (89 posts) Jun-06-02, 07:11 PM (ET) Reply to post #7 9. What the hec is this? Terwilliger - who knows that BUSH KNEW!! I know you may have a briefcase full of evidence that YOU KNOW THAT BUSH KNEW. but keep the hypocricy where it belongs--the current Gov.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Terwilliger (1788 posts) Jun-06-02, 10:03 PM (ET) Reply to post #9 14. Bush did know Have you been following the news? What I was saying is that thinking about a huge, grand archive scrubbing by all media is really out there. Would you really believe that? I wear a tinfoil hat from time to time, but that theory is way beyond reason. If I'm wrong, I'll certainly eat my hat, but I don't think I am. "We are ALL starstuff." -- Carl Sagan "He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice." -- Albert Einstein "Loyalty to the country always, loyalty to the government when it deserves it." -- Mark Twain Dark Angel Nation http://www.savedarkangel.org Member of the Grassy Knoll Society - who knows that BUSH KNEW and someone besides Lee Harvey Oswald shot John F. Kennedy!!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

wallcrawler (89 posts) Jun-06-02, 10:12 PM (ET) Reply to post #14 15. thanks for the response and I do follow you and see your point   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Ms_Crawl (1 posts) Jun-07-02, 08:28 PM (ET) Reply to post #15 17. The Achives Crawler Hi All! Gosh, it is nice to see interest in the Internet Archive I am in charge of the crawl just recieved my clandestine check to clear out all that anti Bush stuff. (not!!!). Seriously, the archive is based on a crawl that is on a two month cylce to collect as much of the web as possible. Ideally a page would only show up once during a crawl, realisticly, we get about a 25% duplicate rate during a two month period. That said, we did do a daily crawl as a commissioned work by the Library of Congress for September 11. That is why you see the sites outlined as being covered better after September 11th. Now, actually changing data in the archive after we have collected it is very difficult, not impossible but not practical. A lot of compression of data goes on so that we can server up 120 Terabytes and changing compressed data is kinda like brain surgery. The archive would have to be re - taught where everything is! Since the archive is material generated by others, any site owner can request that the archive not serve the information to the public net. In fact, because the archive electronically checks with the site before serving archived information, the site owner has control over what the archive will server from the past. So, in that sense the archive can have a touch of amnesia through the public interface even though the bits remain in the archive for future historians. Anyway, I'm going out now, in my new Lamburgini I bought from that clandestine check! P   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

rhubarb (52 posts) Jun-06-02, 09:28 PM (ET) 11. Very Curious Indeed I'd be interested to see if local public libraries have copies of newspapers from this missing time period. I also wonder if http://www.newspaperarchive.com/ has those issues archived or not. I don't think it was an issue of archive.org being on vacation or not archiving. I'm sure it's not done manually; it's a gargantuan job and is most likely scripted using a robot. In fact, it looks like the site owners themselves have blocked the robots for that period. Also, if you hack the URL by entering a date that's not listed, it seems to take you to the 9/11 issue, especially the NYTimes. Same happens when you click the links from the last archived issue -- it goes to 9/11. Odd.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

David Zephyr (1453 posts) Jun-06-02, 09:31 PM (ET) 12. Try and Find Even One Press Acct of Bush's Announced Crawford Trip There's lots of stories about his leaving and arriving, but there is not a single story that I can find when and where "the announcement" of the Crawford Chicken Ranch (I just made that up) "vacation" was made. Even the White House's own calandar of events for June, July and August says nothing about Bush planning to go to Crawford. Let the Impeachment Hearings Begin! Who Goes First? George or Dick?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

rhubarb (52 posts) Jun-06-02, 09:40 PM (ET) Reply to post #12 13. there are some LAST EDITED ON Jun-06-02 AT 09:54 PM (ET) Here's one for example (although the date seems off to me): http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_35/b3746041.htm This one is probably better on second thought (at least it mentions the WH made an announcement in July): http://www.ndsu.edu/ndsu/news/magazine/vol02_issue02/work_play.shtml   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

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