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Walt Starr (455 posts) Click to EMail Walt%20Starr Click to send private message to Walt%20Starr Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-13-01, 09:48 AM (ET)
"ENRONOMICS"
Yep, everything Bush does on the fiscal front can be summed up in a single term, Enronomics.

Face it, what Bush, Inc. is doing to the average American is identical to what Enron executives and the Enron Board did to investors.

Besides, the word sums up every Bush fiscal policy, ties the economy to him, and wraps it all up in a single nice neat package of scandal.

Enronomics will be the downfall of this administration.

EVERY DUMBYA FISCAL PROPOSAL IS:


Enronomics!!!

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 Shameless bump tom_paine Dec-13-01 1
   Thanks for the bump Walt Starr 12/13/2001 2
 Great term, if broader Armstead Dec-13-01 3
   Excellent points! Walt Starr 12/13/2001 4
       Enronomics = capitalism run amok EdGy 12/13/2001 5
           It's easy to lay Enronomics at the foot of the GOP Walt Starr 12/13/2001 6

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tom_paine Donating Member (1155 posts) Click to EMail tom_paine Click to send private message to tom_paine Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-13-01, 10:02 AM (ET)
1. "Shameless bump"


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“There are persons, too, who see not the full extent of the evil which threatens them; they solace themselves with hopes that the enemy, if he succeed, will be merciful. It is the madness of folly, to expect mercy from those who have refused to do justice; and even mercy, where conquest is the object...”
--Thomas Paine

“Those who would trade away their essential liberties for a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
--Benjamin Franklin

"Governor Bush's economic plan is a reckless tax scheme that would immediately put our country back into deficit."
--President (in-exile) Al Gore, December 1999

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Walt Starr (455 posts) Click to EMail Walt%20Starr Click to send private message to Walt%20Starr Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-13-01, 10:06 AM (ET)
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2. "Thanks for the bump"
This word belongs in the main stream.

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Armstead (234 posts) Click to EMail Armstead Click to send private message to Armstead Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-13-01, 10:44 AM (ET)
3. "Great term, if broader"
LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-01 AT 10:51 AM (ET)

Great phrase. But hope you expand your view of this. As I've said before, Enron is Us....Dems and well as GOP. It's the whole direction our society has gone, encouraged by Clinton as much as anyone. Only trying to pin it on the GOP, ignores the bigger picture.

The more fundamental issues of Enronomics are these. Since the 1970's the values of our society have been pushed away from a reasonable balance of business and other goals and aspects of society. We've all bought into a blind worship of markets, and the sublimation of other values. Enron is a logical outcome of that.

1)When every basic service is privatized and commoditized and deregulated, the public gets screwed. Everyone who bought Enron stock or endorsed their approach bought into a basic principle: The energy that people need for survival should be a way to generate big profits, rather than treated as a public service that either breaks even or makes a modest profit. Enronomics is based on private companies making immense profits by adding an extra useless layer to the process of producing and distributing energy. Those profits are added into the costs that real people have to pay for services that are not optional for them.

Take it to the real-world level: The executives' big houses and extravagent lifestyles are paid for by making it impossible for a poor or lower-income working family in the northeast to be able to afford to heat their home in the winter. The huge dividends that investors (large and small) demanded from Enron stock came from the food budget of some widow who can't pay her light bill.

This is true in health-care, media and many other sectors that deal in products and services that are basic and required by everyone.

2)We have become greedy and lazy. We no longer invest in companies that we believe in for the long-haul. Investors (big and small) demand instant wealth, "all gain and no pain." This puts pressure on companies to squeeze every ounce of profit out of their operations, to the detriment of workers and consumers. Also ultimately to the detrement of the companies themselves, due to an inability to engage in long-term planning.

3)We idolize excecutives who can accomplish seeming financial miracles, without looking at how they created those miracles. Companies that are held up as models of modern business may make a good return, but they are also screwing workers, communities, consumers and others aspects of the common good in the process.

4)We are stratifying the class system in modern society. We've created asmaller and smaller elite who are better off, while the rest of of the population is left with the crumbs. We lived with the illusion that it was different in the 90's, but when the shit hit the fan with the current recession -- especially after 9-11 -- the true nature of these inequalities is revealed.

4)Democrats have bought into this as much as the GOP. The only difference is that Enronomics reflects the honest core belief of Republicans that the answer to everything is business. The Democrats have lost their core beliefs that there needs to be a balance of capitalism with civic goals. The Dems have gone too far from their traditions, bought into EWnronomics and tipped the balance towards policies that favor business at the expense of other social goals.

If the Dems really want to stand out, they should address these bigger issues, and truly be the party of reform again, not just an opportunitstic party that only looks for political points to score.

Ultimatly, IMO, if the Democrats offer a positive basic alternative vision to what Enron represents, that also is a message that will resonate with a large segment of the public.

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Walt Starr (455 posts) Click to EMail Walt%20Starr Click to send private message to Walt%20Starr Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-13-01, 10:56 AM (ET)
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4. "Excellent points!"
4)Democrats have bought into this as much as the GOP. The only difference is that Enronomics reflects the honest core belief of Republicans that the answer to everything is business. The Democrats have lost their core beliefs that there needs to be a balance of capitalism with civic goals. The Dems have gone too far from their traditions, and tipped the balance towards policies that favor business at the expense of other social goals.

If the Dems really want to stand out, they should address these bigger issues, and truly be the party of reform again, not just an opportunitstic party that only looks for political points to score.

Ultimatly, IMO, if the Democrats offer a positive basic alternative vision to what Enron represents, that also is a message that will resonate with a large segment of the public.

A close examination of everything related to Enronomics will hopefully give the Democratic Party a cause and give back its soul. The term really draws up an image of everything that's wrong with our society from the view of finance.

Enronomics is really the Gordon Gecko icon for the 21st century.

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Enronomics!!!

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EdGy Donating Member (231 posts) Click to EMail EdGy Click to send private message to EdGy Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-13-01, 01:23 PM (ET)
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5. "Enronomics = capitalism run amok"
LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-01 AT 01:26 PM (ET)

that's the long and short of it.

Capitalism that has been unbounded and is accountable to no one because of deregulation and because of the general cooptation of both of the major political parties in this country.

And Enronomics is going global:

WTO is globalizing Enronomics. It's about forcing countries around the world (including the US) to accept the logic of Enronomics.

That's why what's happening with Fast Track, NAFTA, and WTO are crucial issues; and that's why the media reduces them to boring technical details or dancing sea turtles or violent anarchists breaking starbucks windows, rather than telling us what the real issues are. If the media takes this Enron stuff seriously, though...

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Walt Starr (455 posts) Click to EMail Walt%20Starr Click to send private message to Walt%20Starr Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Dec-13-01, 02:03 PM (ET)
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6. "It's easy to lay Enronomics at the foot of the GOP"
Bush is, after all, the poster child for capitalism run amok.

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