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0|0|EXPOSED%3A British conservatives and the neo-nazi right.|Thankfully_in_Britain||14:21:44|12/10/2001|Here in Britain our conservatives are in a bit of a mess. Not only have they lost two general elections on the trot by landslides but they are being taken over by extremists who are obsessed with the subject of race and immigration. As you can tell from this article these people are not the sort you would take home to mother. The tory party has become bigoted and hateful to an extroadinary degree and is now quite happy to foster links with neo-nazi groups such as Alleanza Nazionale in Italy and Le Pen%27s national front in France. And just in case you didn%27t know the BNP is the British National party. An openly neo-nazi bunch dedicated to the cause of inciting racial hatred.%0D%0A%0D%0ALuckily these pillocks have not got a snowball%27s chance in hell of getting into power but they still need to be stopped before they cause any more hatred and division. %0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.consider.net%2Fforum_new.php3%3FnewTemplate%3DOpenObject%26newTop%3D200112100020%26newDisplayURN%3D200112100020%0D%0A%0D%0AIain Duncan Smith has forced the MPs Angela Watkinson%2C Andrew Hunter and Andrew Rosindell to quit the Monday Club. The club is a far-right pressure group that supports the repatriation of immigrants %28one 1995 leaflet depicted black people being tipped out of a rubbish bin%29 and has links with white supremacist groups in South Africa and Zimbabwe. Duncan Smith has suspended them from the party until they promise to cease campaigning on the issue of immigration. Yet the Monday Club is but one example of a dense network of Tory links with the far right.%0D%0A%0D%0ALook%2C for example%2C to the 500-strong pro-Tory pressure group the Swinton Circle%2C formed in the 1970s by backers of Enoch Powell. Their regular journal informs us that in this country we are suffering from %22an asylum invasion%22. And the British National Party is merely a %22breakaway party%22 from the Tories. These are their publicly stated views. %0D%0A%0D%0AOne active member of the Swinton Circle is Bill Binding%2C the former deputy leader of the British Ku Klux Klan and a big fan of IDS. Even though Binding stood as a BNP candidate in 1997%2C the Conservative Party seems to think he has changed his views so much that he need not be expelled from its ranks. His comments remain%2C however%2C bogged down in racial pseudo-science. He defends himself against charges of racism by imploring us to look at %22these Jews in Stamford Hill%2C %5Bwho%5D are 82 per cent northern hemisphere Neolithic%22.%0D%0A%0D%0AAll Tory members will receive a letter soon saying that any link with a far-right group %22is not compatible with membership of%2C or association with%2C any political party%22. It claims that they will be expelled if any such links are uncovered. Yet the Swinton Circle doesn%27t seem to count as such a group.%0D%0A%0D%0A%28snip%29%0D%0A%0D%0AMichael Ancram%2C now the shadow foreign secretary%2C was presented with evidence in 1999 that a member of the Tory party called Stuart Millson publicly described himself as a %22fascist%22 and had befriended Jean-Marie Le Pen%2C the leader of the French National Front. Ancram%2C then party chairman%2C did nothing.%0D%0A%0D%0ASo Stuart Parker%2C the concerned party member who was trying to warn Ancram of the looming PR disaster posed by members such as this%2C wrote to him again.%0D%0A%0D%0AStill Ancram did nothing. When Parker%2C the vice-chairman of Bethnal Green Conservatives and a lifelong Tory%2C continued to warn him%2C Ancram wrote back saying he should %22never%22 be contacted again on this matter. %0D%0A%0D%0AParker fears that %22BNP infiltration of grass-roots Tory constituencies is happening all over the country. The leadership knows this%2C but they have chosen not to act.%22 %0D%0A%0D%0ASitting with Ancram at the shadow cabinet table is Bill Cash%2C now shadow attorney general.%0D%0A%0D%0ACash invited the Alleanza Nazionale leader in the European Parliament%2C Cristiana Muscardini%2C and her party president%2C Gianfranco Fini%2C to visit the London HQ of his anti-European pressure group%2C the European Foundation. The Foundation%27s Italian %22head of office%22 writes regularly for the Alleanza%27s newspaper%2C Il Secolo d%27Italia.%0D%0A%0D%0AYet why should IDS crack down on links with foreign groups such as this when even the recent crackdown on the Monday Club has been carried out reluctantly and against his gut instincts%3F As he told the Sunday Telegraph in September%2C the Monday Club is %22a viable group within the party and they are%2C in a sense%2C what the party is all about%22.%0D%0A%0D%0A%22What the party is all about.%22 An unsurprising comment%2C given that IDS has dabbled with the politics of the far right himself. Until his ascension to the leadership%2C Duncan Smith served as a vice-president of Conservatives Against a Federal Europe alongside the Monday Club president and Right Now%21 patron%2C Viscount Massereene and Ferrard.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe viscount has been quoted as saying%3A %22If you say I am a racist%2C yes I certainly am%2C and proud of it.%22 %0D%0A%0D%0A%28snip%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world%2C but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.%22 - Romans 12%3A2%5B%2Ffont%5D
1|1|More fodder%3A Remember Poppy%27s interest in Eugenics|beware_of_god||14:25:36|12/10/2001|http%3A%2F%2Fwatch.pair.com%2Fcnp2.html%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DHe%27s not MY dictator%21%5B%2Ffont%5D|0
2|2|AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH|Thankfully_in_Britain||14:32:13|12/10/2001|Problem is%2C our tory freinds will beilve that sort of junk science. Ah well%2C at least there is plenty of Jesse Helms dirt there for another thread someday. %28Why is it not suprising that Helms is linked with this shit%3F%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world%2C but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.%22 - Romans 12%3A2%5B%2Ffont%5D|1
3|1|I gotta ask%2C what%27s PILLOCKS%3F|Skittles||14:33:21|12/10/2001|I spent some of my childhood in England but don%27t remember that word.  I also don%27t remember any conservatives%3B my family and friends were stricktly labour%21%21%21|0
4|2|Pillock%3Dstupid person|Thankfully_in_Britain||14:42:51|12/10/2001|or words to that effect %3Aevilgrin%3A Besides which%2C in Scouts we had a game we called %22pillock on the hillock%22. %0D%0A%0D%0AAs far as meeting tories%2C you can usually spot them as they are%2C true to form the ones ranting about how all the immigrants are ruining this country %28if truth be known it is anti-immigration attitudes like that which do our country down more than anything else%29. I live and work in Essex%2C in some of the more virulently tory parts of the country and to be frank their attitudes towards immigration and race have made me quite some lefty. Same goes for a lot of other people too. %0D%0A%0D%0AThe vast majority of British people are utterly repulsed by the racism of the tory right but they don%27t care. Tories %5Bb%5Dnever%5B%2Fb%5D listen. They just seem to be intent on stirring up as much hate as possible whilst decending down to third party status. I can cope with tories being obliterated but racism I will fight with every bone in my body.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world%2C but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.%22 - Romans 12%3A2%5B%2Ffont%5D|3
5|3|My granddad %28from Martham%2C near Great Yarmouth%29|Skittles||17:39:49|12/10/2001|very much disliked conservatives.  He said he didn%27t survive Dunkirk to be talked down to by a bunch of greedy%2C pompous a%2A%2Aholes%21|4
6|3|yeah it is great|Jen72||23:06:43|12/10/2001|to watch. No other political party in the world would elect William Hague followed by Duncan Smith.%0D%0AThe Conservatives are a dying breed.%0D%0ABritish Conservatives are usually xeniphobic%2C racist%2C anti-Europe %28because they hate Europeans.%29 They are often staunch Royalists and capitalist Yuppies.%0D%0A%0D%0A%3AD|4
7|4|I know what you mean|Thankfully_in_Britain||14:22:03|12/11/2001|As far as Hauge goes%2C I%27d thought I%27d dig out one of our own little satirical gems%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AWilliam Hague Film Reviews. %28p.s he ain%27t leader of the tories no more folks%2C he%27s one hell of a loser%29%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2Fmovies%2F010504_phil.html%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5DBritish Conservatives are usually xeniphobic%2C racist%2C anti-Europe %28because they hate Europeans.%29 They are often staunch Royalists and capitalist Yuppies.%22%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AAll sadly very true. I mean i%27m a Euro-scpetic%2C but for different reasons to the tories. I%27m a sceptic because I belive that the EU is too undemocratic and unaccountable%2C plus it is too buerocratic. Tories hate the EU because it is full of foreigners. The thing is%2C tory politics is no longer working for the tory party. Blair has nicked all of their clothes%2C is doing a better job then they did and the tories are unable to move on. No other political party is quite as much in denial as the British Conservative party.%0D%0A%0D%0AWhat saddens me%2C as you may gather from this thread is the way that they have decided to vilify anyone of a different race. I cannot support an party as institutionally racist as the tories. Fortunatly nobody else round here can either. %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world%2C but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.%22 - Romans 12%3A2%5B%2Ffont%5D|6
8|5|Hah%21  Perfect%21%21|hatrack||14:36:49|12/11/2001|%22Tories hate the EU because it is full of foreigners.%22%0D%0A%0D%0AThis sounds exactly like the Ramapithicine Right here in the States - they virulently hate the 95%25 of the world that is not the United States because it is not the United States.  Hence Chimpy%2C Helms%2C Burton%2C Armey%2C DeLay%2C Lott and the rest of the sorry crew.%0D%0A%0D%0AIt%27s a sort of dark comfort to know that we%27re not alone in being hag-ridden by assholes like these.|7
10|6|I think that in the case of repukes........|Thankfully_in_Britain||14:42:27|12/11/2001|it is a lack of perspective as much as anything. America has little or no history and no idea of how anybody. Re%3Apuke%3Alickers need to realize that it is not America plus the rest of the world%2C it is the rest of the world plus America. %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bi%5D%22It%27s a sort of dark comfort to know that we%27re not alone in being hag-ridden by assholes like these.%22%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AOne major difference between the US and the UK is that our conservatives don%27t win elections. They are at least as unpopular as they fully deserve to be. %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world%2C but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.%22 - Romans 12%3A2%5B%2Ffont%5D|8
12|7|Chimpy%27s %22new international engagement%22 - already over|hatrack||14:57:35|12/11/2001|It%27s worth mentioning that a significant number of Republicans who were elected in 1994 quite literally boasted of not having passports.  It%27s also worth mentioning that the only trip Bush had ever made to Europe was apparently some 20 years before last year%27s summit jaunt%2C and it was some sort of family vacation.  %0D%0A%0D%0AChimpy never studied abroad%2C speaks elephantine Spanish on a good day %28though you%27ll remember in Spain that he had to switch back to English because Aznar couldn%27t understand him%29 and like most of the Rs he represents%2C generally ignores the remainder of the planet.  %0D%0A%0D%0APost-9%2F11%2C there were some flickers of hope that Bush would indeed abandon his farcical plans for a Pax Americana %28enforced%2C one presumes%2C by a faith-based missile shield%29 and start trying to work in concert with other nations.  No such luck.  He did urge Congress to do its duty by voting to pay several years%27 worth of back dues to the UN%2C which it did.  However%2C that%27s as bold a realignment as he%27s been willing to support.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd%2C as last Friday showed%2C ChimpCo is happy to throw over the Biological Weapons Convention.  The conference broke up in confusion and anger after the US proposed terminating the members%27 mandate.  So much for the new and engaged Bush administration.%0D%0A%0D%0AAt least Blair can speak in complete sentences - count your blessings on that score%21  I%27d pay good money and plenty of it to see Bush in Question Time%21%21%0D%0A%0D%0A|10
13|8|On the subject...........|Thankfully_in_Britain||15:24:24|12/11/2001|%5Bi%5DAt least Blair can speak in complete sentences - count your blessings on that score%21 I%27d pay good money and plenty of it to see Bush in Question Time%21%21%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AHere is an article about the tosser who has the job of interrogating Blair at PMQ%27s every week. He is Ian Dimwit-Smith%2C Ultra right wingnut and the most pathetic excuse for leader of the opposition imaginable. Re%3Apuke%3Alickers love this guy and will do almost anything to see him in No 10 Downing Street. What a shame they won%27t be getting their way eh folks%21 %3Csarcasm%3E%0D%0A%0D%0AI thought that I had better include this article as it accompanies the Far-right expose in the New Statesman this week. %0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.consider.net%2Fforum_new.php3%3FnewTemplate%3DOpenObject%26newTop%3D200112100019%26newDisplayURN%3D200112100019%0D%0A%0D%0A......He has barely scored once in weeks against a government that ought to be easy to embarrass. Here they are%2C at sixes and sevens over the future of the NHS%2C engaged in some kind of fratricidal war over the euro%2C still carrying Jo Moore and overseeing the first economic downturn since new Labour came to power. %0D%0A%0D%0AWho thinks the rail system is going to get better any time soon%3F Who will give short odds on the Chancellor%2C the Prime Minister%2C the Health Secretary and their numerous gabby advisers coming to an agreement on how to reform the health service%3F Who thinks their proposed %22reform%22 of the Lords is anything other than cynical%3F Who thinks the Home Secretary%27s anti-terrorism measures deserve to get through parliament without being mauled%3F%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd yet%2C before the last election%2C the Tories%27 standing in the polls hovered between 26 and 29 per cent%3B their standing is currently - yes - between 26 and 29 per cent. IDS%27s latest personal poll rating %28MORI%27s for the Times in November%29 puts him at 24 per cent - a point below William Hague%27s rating just before the June election. There has been no Tory turnaround. %0D%0A%0D%0A%28snip%29%0D%0A%0D%0AMost voters are watching the domestic front as much as the war%2C and it is here that Duncan Smith has failed to hit home at all. %0D%0A%0D%0AIt is clearly a question of leadership%2C not just a Tory question. As a group%2C the Conservatives have done some fairly clever things recently. Michael Howard ditched the idea that they should cut taxes before they improve services%2C thus putting the party at long last on the same side of the argument as most voters. Some of their more energetic people%2C such as Liam Fox%2C have been travelling the world looking at alternative methods of running and funding public services. If Blair and Brown have failed by 2004%2C these ideas may begin to look attractive. Even poor old Oliver Letwin%2C whose big mouth got him into such trouble over the size of Tory tax cuts during the last election campaign%2C has been developing a more intelligent%2C libertarian home affairs agenda than the Tories have had for some time. %0D%0A%0D%0ANo%2C the problem is the leader. Duncan Smith might have approved and even formally ordered these changes. But he is making no mark himself. In a ruthlessly presidential political system%2C he is a nice enough%2C hard-working%2C honest%2C uncharismatic%2C rather shy and profoundly old-fashioned man. As one of those who backed him for the leadership ruefully admitted to me last week%2C he%27s not exactly a man for the 21st century%2C is he%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A%28snip%29 %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world%2C but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.%22 - Romans 12%3A2%5B%2Ffont%5D|12
15|7|another difference|Skittles||18:56:42|12/11/2001|your conservative wing doesn%27t own your media.  That%27s how they get a lot of the sheep on their side.  I am grateful that DU lets at least YOU know that there are people in the U.S. who know the score.|10
16|8|A lot of the press leans right.|Thankfully_in_Britain||15:09:13|12/12/2001|On the whole the British press leans right but papers such as the Daily Express and Rupert Murdochs papers%2C the Times and the Sun support Labour because the conservatives are%2C quite frankly unsupportable. A lot of the same conservatives own a lot of the media here but the difference is that even Murdoch can%27t think of any good reasons to vote for the British Conservative party. It says something when our tories are just too pathetic for Murdoch to support. %0D%0A%0D%0AAs for the BBC%2C the article does mention the fact that our wingnuts seem to think that the BBC is some sort of trotskyite cell because it happens to be more balanced then CNN and Fox. Make of that what you will. %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood%22 - Article 1%3A UN Declaration of Human Rights %0D%0A%0D%0A%22Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world%2C but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.%22 - Romans 12%3A2%5B%2Ffont%5D|15
17|4|Yup - the Canadian Allience|Canada _AKA America Jr||15:54:20|12/12/2001|%0D%0APreston Manning and Stockwell Day%0D%0A%0D%0AThier attempt to unite the right in Canada - an utter failure.|6
9|1|Just curious Thankfully. How much more of Chimpy%27s BS is Blair|NNN0LHI||14:38:34|12/11/2001|going to take before he tells the Chimp to go take a flying F%2A%23k out of the nearest window%3F I have began wondering if Blair has turned into Bush Light or something now for a couple of months. Any of your thoughts would be most appreciated. Cheers and beers.%5Bp%5DDon|0
11|2|I don%27t know.|Thankfully_in_Britain||14:47:30|12/11/2001|All to often Blair%27s talk about being a %22bridge%22 between America and the rest of the world all too often actually means %22doormat%22.%0D%0A%0D%0AIt depends whether or not the opinion polls tell him to stand up to the wanker in the whitehouse or not. I mean the whole global statesman pallaver after 11.09.01 was done to get vote at home more than anything else. Everything Blair does is about getting votes.%0D%0A%0D%0AMy advice is watch what happens with regard to Iraq. Personally I will not be in favour of military action against iraq until we have proof that they were involved in the events of 11.09.01. %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%22Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world%2C but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.%22 - Romans 12%3A2%5B%2Ffont%5D|9
14|3|How about the CIA and|ignatius||16:37:20|12/11/2001|the recruiting of nazi spies after WW11%3F  Apparently%2C declassified CIA files have confirmed this.%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Femperors-clothes.com%2Fdocs%2Fgehlen2.htm%0D%0A%0D%0ACIA%3DNAZIS  makes perfect sense to me.|11