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0|0|Sampling of Jim Crow Laws in America 1880s-1960s|noiretblu||19:52:40|01/23/2003|%3Abounce%3A getting and early start on black history month...an interesting little list here.  %0D%0A%0D%0AFrom the 1880s into the 1960s%2C a majority of American states enforced segregation through %22Jim Crow%22 laws %28so called after a black character in minstrel shows%29. From Delaware to California%2C and from North Dakota to Texas%2C many states %28and cities%2C too%29 could impose legal punishments on people for consorting with members of another race. The most common types of laws forbade intermarriage and ordered business owners and public institutions to keep their black and white clientele separated.%0D%0A%0D%0AHere is a sampling of laws from various states.%0D%0A%0D%0ANurses No person or corporation shall require any white female nurse to nurse in wards or rooms in hospitals%2C either public or private%2C in which negro men are placed. Alabama%0D%0A%0D%0AChild Custody It shall be unlawful for any parent%2C relative%2C or other white person in this State%2C having the control or custody of any white child%2C by right of guardianship%2C natural or acquired%2C or otherwise%2C to dispose of%2C give or surrender such white child permanently into the custody%2C control%2C maintenance%2C or support%2C of a negro. South Carolina %0D%0A%0D%0ABarbers No colored barber shall serve as a barber %5Bto%5D white women or girls. Georgia %0D%0A%0D%0APool and Billiard Rooms It shall be unlawful for a negro and white person to play together or in company with each other at any game of pool or billiards. Alabama%0D%0A%0D%0APromotion of Equality Any person...who shall be guilty of printing%2C publishing or circulating printed%2C typewritten or written matter urging or presenting for public acceptance or general information%2C arguments or suggestions in favor of social equality or of intermarriage between whites and negroes%2C shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and subject to fine or not exceeding five hundred %28500.00%29 dollars or imprisonment not exceeding six %286%29 months or both. Mississippi %0D%0A%0D%0AIntermarriage The marriage of a person of Caucasian blood with a Negro%2C Mongolian%2C Malay%2C or Hindu shall be null and void. Arizona%0D%0A%0D%0ATelephone Booths The Corporation Commission is hereby vested with power and authority to require telephone companies...to maintain separate booths for white and colored patrons when there is a demand for such separate booths. That the Corporation Commission shall determine the necessity for said separate booths only upon complaint of the people in the town and vicinity to be served after due hearing as now provided by law in other complaints filed with the Corporation Commission. Oklahoma %0D%0A%0D%0AEducation Separate rooms %5Bshall%5D be provided for the teaching of pupils of African descent%2C and %5Bwhen%5D said rooms are so provided%2C such pupils may not be admitted to the school rooms occupied and used by pupils of Caucasian or other descent. New Mexico %0D%0A%0D%0AIntermarriage All marriages between...white persons and negroes or white persons and Mongolians...are prohibited and declared absolutely void...No person having one-eighth part or more of negro blood shall be permitted to marry any white person%2C nor shall any white person be permitted to marry any negro or person having one-eighth part or more of negro blood. Missouri %0D%0A%0D%0Ahere%27s the full list%3A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.nps.gov%2Fmalu%2Fdocuments%2Fjim_crow_laws.htm%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D
1|1|2003 - George W Bush - |SeattleDem||20:02:46|01/23/2003|%5Bi%5Drace cannot be used as a factor for admission to a public university because that might increase diversity %28oh%2C the horrors%21%29%0D%0A%0D%0Abut%2C because I am a compassionate conservative%2C I will increase federal funding at %22traditionally black%22 schools%5B%2Fi%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AIf you though Jim Crow died with Brown vs. the Board of Education%2C you were wrong.%0D%0A%0D%0Athanks for the list%2C noiretblu|0
2|1|Thanks for letting us know what to expect if Bush gets legally elected|Gman||20:04:52|01/23/2003|in 04|0
3|1|JIm Crow Etiquette %28prepare to barf%29|noiretblu||22:31:56|01/23/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Jan-23-03 AT 10:45 PM (ET)[/font][p]%3Apuke%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AThe following Jim Crow etiquette norms show how inclusive and pervasive these norms were%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A   1. A Black male could not offer his hand %28to shake hands%29 with a White male because it implied being socially equal. Obviously%2C a Black male could not offer his hand or any other part of his body to a White woman%2C because he risked being accused of rape.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bb%5D2. Blacks and Whites were not supposed to eat together. If they did eat together%2C Whites were to be served first%2C and some sort of partition was to be placed between them. %5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A   3. Under no circumstance was a Black male to offer to light the cigarette of a White female -- that gesture implied intimacy.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bb%5D4. Blacks were not allowed to show public affection toward one another in public%2C especially kissing%2C because it offended Whites. %5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A   5. Jim Crow etiquette prescribed that Blacks were introduced to Whites%2C never Whites to Blacks. For example%3A %22Mr. Peters %28the White person%29%2C this is Charlie %28the Black person%29%2C that I spoke to you about.%22%0D%0A%0D%0A   6. Whites did not use courtesy titles of respect when referring to Blacks%2C for example%2C Mr.%2C Mrs.%2C Miss.%2C Sir%2C or Ma%27am. Instead%2C Blacks were called by their first names. Blacks had to use courtesy titles when referring to Whites%2C and were not allowed to call them by their first names.%0D%0A%0D%0A   7. If a Black person rode in a car driven by a White person%2C the Black person sat in the back seat%2C or the back of a truck.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bb%5D8. White motorists had the right-of-way at all intersections.%5B%2Fb%5D  %0D%0A%0D%0ANow...this is just plain SILLY...but it shows how %22controlled%22 things were back then...for everyone. %0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.ferris.edu%2Fnews%2Fjimcrow%2Fwhat.htm%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0
21|2|this dates me but|fortyfeetunder||03:34:08|02/05/2003|Even when the Civil Rights Act of 65 was enacted%2C in the little podunk town in SW VA where my grandparents lived%2C there was still segregation -- like the dentist%27s office where the white patients was air conditioned with chairs%2C but the black patients room had no air conditioning and sat on benches.  The signs for segregated water fountains had not even been removed.  %0D%0A%0D%0ABut I%27ve seen more self-segregation since 1981 and some of it inadvertently prompted by the gov%27t....%3Csigh%3E|3
4|1|How to Converse with Whites|noiretblu||22:40:05|01/23/2003|Stetson Kennedy%2C the author of Jim Crow Guide%2C offered these simple rules that Blacks were supposed to observe in conversing with Whites%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bb%5D1. Never assert or even intimate that a White person is lying.%0D%0A   2. Never impute dishonorable intentions to a White person.%0D%0A   3. Never suggest that a White person is from an inferior     class.%0D%0A   4. Never lay claim to%2C or overly demonstrate%2C superior knowledge or intelligence. %28LOL...hmmmm%29%0D%0A   5. Never curse a White person.%0D%0A   6. Never laugh derisively at a White person.%0D%0A   7. Never comment upon the appearance of a White female. %5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AJim Crow etiquette operated in conjunction with Jim Crow laws %28black codes%29. When most people think of Jim Crow they think of laws %28not the Jim Crow etiquette%29 which excluded Blacks from public transport and facilities%2C juries%2C jobs%2C and neighborhoods. The passage of the 13th%2C 14th%2C and 15th Amendments to the Constitution had granted Blacks the same legal protections as Whites. However%2C after 1877%2C and the election of Republican Rutherford B. Hayes%2C southern and border states began restricting the liberties of Blacks. Unfortunately for Blacks%2C the Supreme Court helped undermine the Constitutional protections of Blacks with the infamous Plessy v. Ferguson %281896%29 case%2C which legitimized Jim Crow laws...%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.ferris.edu%2Fnews%2Fjimcrow%2Fwhat.htm%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0
5|2|simply horrifying|SeattleDem||13:48:31|01/24/2003|takes it to a new level I never thought about. It%27s embarassing%2C shameful%2C and just horrendous to think about.|4
6|3|control%2C seattle dem...it%27s all about control|noiretblu||16:15:29|01/24/2003|i have some information from the site where i found this about people who fought the system...who refused to be ruled by all the ridiculous rules.  but of course%2C the punishment was quite harsh for breaking the %22code%22...it meant death for a lot of black people.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|5
8|1|One unofficial Jim Crow rule|Lydia Leftcoast||01:42:56|01/26/2003|was that black men were allowed to wear a white shirt and tie and%2For a suit jacket only if they were going to church for a regular service%2C a wedding%2C or a funeral.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnother was that newspapers would go to tremendous lengths to avoid giving a black person a courtesy title. People who were middle aged or older would get called %22Aunt%22 or %22Uncle.%22 %28Remember %22Aunt Jemima%22 and %22Uncle Ben%22%3F%29 %0D%0A%0D%0AMy family traveled through the South just before the Civil Rights Laws were enacted %28in fact%2C we watched the bill being debated in the Senate when we passed through DC on the way home%29%2C and even though I was still in junior high school%2C I noticed the irony that while restaurants and motels were assumed to be %22whites only%22 unless the signs and billboards identifying them specifically said %22colored%2C%22 the more expensive a restaurant was%2C the more likely it was to have an all-black kitchen staff and waiters. In other words%2C the roadside diners were run and staffed by white people%2C but the fancy restaurants had black waiters in white coats and black kitchen staff.%0D%0A%0D%0AI suppose that the idea was that white clients would pay to lord it over an %22inferior.%22.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DWhat if FDR had been afraid of %0D%0Aalienating the moderates%3F%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.handykult.de%2Fplaudersmilies.de%2Fperson%2Fznaika.gif%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0
9|1|Read %27Incidents In The Life Of A Slave Girl%27|goddess40||10:56:14|01/26/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Jan-26-03 AT 11:00 AM (ET)[/font][p]It is written by Hrriet Jacobs under the pen name Linda Brent.  It is autobiograpical with an inroduction my Byrlie Evers-Williams.  Very good read%21%0D%0A%0D%0ABy the way. Great post - I read a lot about slavery and the holocost%2CI read but I can%27t spell%2C because it still stuns me that people can be so cruel to each other.  %0D%0ADoes any one have any good books about the Jim Crow era%2C not that it is gone yet%2C non-fiction or fiction.  |0
10|1|Since when is Malay a race anyways%3F|Sephirstein||18:44:22|01/26/2003|Malays are the same race as Australian aboriginals...Stupid White Supremacist rednecks.|0
11|1|Passing thru JIm Crow|noiretblu||01:54:31|01/27/2003|%3Csnip%3E%0D%0AFrom some stories about %22passing%22 as white%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AWell%2C the next generation comes%2C my mama and them. Same thing%3A some of them went white. That was the days before the integration. My mama married a dark man%2C so she couldn%27t pass unless she was alone. But%2C I%27ll tell you what she did%3A this is a good story. She worked as a riveter during the War. That job was for whites. My daddy%2C who was brown-skinned%2C worked at the same plant%2C Higgins%3B but%2C he was like a janitor. He swept the floors. Mama and daddy would walk to the bus every morning to ride down to the factory. They walked together%2C now. When the bus comes%2C they act like they don%27t know each other. She pays her fare and gets on in front. She sits in front the screen. Now%2C her husband pays his fare and goes to the back door. He sits in back the screen%21 Husband and wife%21%0D%0A%0D%0AThey get to work and they don%27t speak. It%27s like they strangers. Grown people%21 She punches the white clock. He punches the colored clock. They work their day and do the same thing in the evening. And then%2C they go home and live as husband and wife. They did that for two years. That%27s that generation right before integration came. My mama had two brothers serve during the War. One served in the army as colored%3B the other served in the navy as white. Two brothers. How did they do that%3F%0D%0A%3Csnip%3E%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jimcrowhistory.org%2Fresources%2Flessonplans%2Fhs_es_passing_narratives.htm%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0
12|1|Jim Crow Outside the South |noiretblu||02:00:07|01/27/2003|Jim Crow did not confine itself to the South alone%2C but actually spread across the United States. The South%27s Jim Crow laws were adapted in the states indicated below to discriminate against other ethnicities%2C cultures%2C and religions%2C as well as against African Americans. The states listed as Outside the South were part of the Union during the Civil War or had entered the Union as free states after the Civil War. %0D%0A%3Csnip%3E%0D%0AThis is only a partial representation of the types of laws and statutes instituted outside of former slave-owning states. %0D%0A%0D%0Ahere click here%2C then click on a state%3A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.jimcrowhistory.org%2Fgeography%2Foutside_south.htm%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0
27|2|Even in my beloved Las Vegas|goddess40||19:47:18|02/18/2003|They had a seperate area of the city for Blacks.  When you see clips of the Rat Pack they don%27t even mention how Sammy Davis Jr. was treated differently than the rest.|12
32|2|hey%2C Michigan didn%27t do too bad%21|shugah||15:43:07|02/24/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Feb-24-03 AT 04:31 PM (ET)[/font][p]1871%3A Barred school segregation %5BStatute%5D%0D%0A1883%3A Barred anti-miscegenation %5BStatute%5D%0D%0A1885%3A Barred public accommodation segregation %5BStatute%5D%0D%0AEntitled all persons to full and equal access to inns%2C restaurants%2C barber shops%2C public transportation%2C theaters%2C and all other places of public amusement. %0D%0A1933%3A Civil rights protection %5BStatute%5D%0D%0AOutlawed racial discrimination. Penalty%3A Criminal prosecution.%0D%0A%0D%0Ahard to believe that this state was%2Fis progressive%2C and yet the county i live in is about 99%25 white%2C and was the place where some former grand dragon of the KKK chose to retire and die in the 90%27s %281990%27s that is.%29%0D%0A%0D%0A%3Ashrug%3A  %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D war is not healthy for children and other living things.  another mother for peace.%5B%2Ffont%5D|12
34|3|interesting%2C the laws in michigan|shugah||22:21:28|02/24/2003|and remembering some of my childhood--i grew up in detroit.  if i recall correctly%2C my childhood neighborhood consisted of all white people.  and%2C as it happens%2C i do recall correctly. %3B-%29  i also remember the first black family that moved into our neighborhood.  the children were two girls%2C one in my grade%2C and one in my younger sisters grade.  this was around 1970...i%27m so bad with dates%2C sorry%21  my younger sister and i %22made friends%22 with them%2C and if there were any negative repurcussions for doing so%2C i don%27t recall them.  %0D%0A%0D%0Ain 1971 or %2772%2C my mother elected to have me sent to a multicultural school.  i recall a conversation with a former classmate from the previous school i had attended showing me a picture of her mother in the paper holding a sign that said%2C %22hell no%21  we won%27t go%21%22  i hadn%27t a clue%2C at the time%2C that it was about bussing.  %0D%0A%0D%0Awhat did black kids think and know about %22bussing%22 at that time%3F  age 10%2C 11%2C 12%3F  when i think about the family my sister and i got to know now%2C it%27s like--damn%21  what must it have been like for them%3F%3F%3F  on the other hand%2C at the time%2C it never ocurred to me that they were anything but friends.  i don%27t know what treatment these young girls might have received beyond us hanging together.  if it was hard for them%2C they never said...%0D%0A%0D%0Abut%2C that is my real question--when desegration%2C and bussing were happening in this country%2C what were young black kids thinking%3F  when i was young%2C and civil rights were gripping our country%2C i hadn%27t a clue what it meant.  %0D%0A%0D%0A maybe that%27s what keeps me vigilant.  while i was a child%2C during the civil rights movement i was%2C basically%2C clueless%21 alot of other white kids knew%2C or at least were learning at their parents knee%2C all about desegregation and bussing.  they were the ones with the signs.%0D%0A%0D%0Awell%2C this is just me looking at the michigan laws%2C and wondering about why they weren%27t enforced.  %0D%0A%0D%0A  hat off to noiretblu%21  she makes me think and think%21  %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D war is not healthy for children and other living things.  another mother for peace.%5B%2Ffont%5D|32
13|1|They was some resistence%2C but it was futil.|happyslug||19:08:18|01/28/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Jan-28-03 AT 07:12 PM (ET)[/font][p]For Example the Pittsburgh Pirates tried to keep some of its Black players after blacks were banned from Basebal in 1920 %28Blacks palyed in the major leagues up tothat time0 by calling them %22Cubans%22%2C but it only lasted about 2 years before the Baseball commisioner told them to get rid of the black players.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd the extent of discrimnation was wider %28and lasted longer%29 than people would like to admit.  For example when I join my Pittsburgh National Gurad outfit in 1981%2C it was still mostly white%2C for its old First Sargeat did not want nay blacks in his artilery Battery.  He did not want any%2C he did not get any %28and this was in a unit that was over 50%25 black in the non-NCO enlisted ranks%29.  The thought that a NORTHERN Miitary Unit was segergated till 1980 should stagger your imigination%2C How intergrted where %28and are%29 the Southern Military and Police units%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A|0
14|2|thank you for your post%2C happyslug|noiretblu||19:45:41|01/28/2003|i don%27t think people understand the pervasiveness of america%27s racial issues%2C nor how they continued to linger even after laws were changed %28and still do%29...one of the reasons i posted this thread here.  thank you for your comments about your military experience...i hope more people read it and respond.%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|13
15|1|Civil War Battle Flags|happyslug||20:56:44|01/28/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Jan-28-03 AT 09:08 PM (ET)[/font][p]Does anybody know how to add color to black and white pictures%3F  I have these pictures of civil War Battle Flags.  These are the Flags for the 3rd%2C 6th%2C 22nd%2C 24th%2C 25th%2C 45th%2C and 127th US Colored Regiments.  When these were painted during the Civil War on silk%2C by a Philadelphian black Artist by the name of David Bustill Bowser %28born 1820%29.  %0D%0A%0D%0AThese were considered to be the best looking battle flags of the US Civil War%2C the problem is None survive %28through we have record of one being donated in 1977 to a Museum and another in the  possession of West Point just before WWII%29.  All we have are  pictures of the flags today %28and that John Brown was pictured for the 32nd Colored Regiment%29. Pennsylvania recruited 11 %22Colored%22 regiments during the Civil War.   For the 8th%2C 41%2C and 43rd Colored Regiments we have no description nor picture of their Battle Flags %28through it is assumed they were regular northern Regiment Colors of the National Flag with the Regimental Number on the Flag%29.%0D%0A%0D%0APlease note a Regiment carries 4 flags%2C %2C 1 National Color %28i.e the US Flag%29.  2%2C A Regimental Flag %28Which are what we are talking about here%29 and 3 and 4 - Two %22flanking flags%22%28No longer used as Flanking Flags today%2C but were used as such through the Civil War%29.%0D%0A%0D%0AOf the Regimental Flags here are their picture in Black and White %28remember they were painted in Color to be as Bright as Possible%29%0D%0A%0D%0A 3rd  - The Goddess of Liberty Giving a Flag of the US to a Black Soldier under the motto %22Rather Die Freemen%2C than live to be Slaves%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A6th - Liberty seeing off a Black Soldier%2C with a black woman clapping at his decision to fight. under the Motto %22Freedom For All%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%09%0D%0A22nd - A black Soldier bayoneting a Confederate Soldier %28armed with a sword to slash the black%29 under the motto %22Sic Semper Tyrannis%22 Latin for %22Thus always to Tyrants%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%09%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A24th Regiment - An unarmed Soldier receiving from heaven a written note %22Fait Justitia%22 Latin for %22Let Justice be done%22 under the Motto %22Let Soldiers in war%2C be Citizens in Peace%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A25th Regiment - Liberty is pictured as giving a Musket to a Black Barefoot Slave%2C under the Motto %22Strike for God and Liberty%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A45th Regiment - A black Solder is seen hlding a US Flag in Front of a bust of George Washington %28with other Blacks shooting a volley of Muskets in the Background%29. Motto %22One Cause%2C One country%22%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A127th - This shows a fully equipped Soldier bidding adieu to lady Liberty under the motto %22We will Prove ourselves men%22.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%09%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%09%09%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%09%0D%0A%09%0D%0A%0D%0A%09%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A|0
16|2|Including Pictures with Text%3F|happyslug||21:03:36|01/28/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Jan-28-03 AT 09:13 PM (ET)[/font][p]Does anybody know How I can download the pictures from Word Perfect Graphics%3F  When I wrote the above in Word Perfect I had included the Pictures %28which I had scanned into my computer from a Book in my Local Libary%29.%0D%0A%0D%0A  I than Copied the letter to the DU message%2C which took the Word Perfect words but did not take up the pictures of the Flags.%0D%0A%0D%0AOr Do I have to E-mail the Word Perfect Letter as a attachment%3F|15
17|3|needs to be html before you can post on the internet|noiretblu||23:49:49|01/28/2003|i am by know means an expert%2C so you may try posing these questions in the lounge.  i just figured out how to post images myself%2C and i%27m not sure i can explain it well.  i do know if you save your document as html%2C then post it on the %27net %28like on your personal site%29 you can then copy the image location%2C and the images should appear. but as i said...post in the lounge.  there are a lot more computer savvy people here than me. %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|16
18|4|Testing|happyslug||00:52:48|01/29/2003|[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Jan-29-03 AT 01:13 AM (ET)[/font][p]%5Bfont size%3D%221%22 color%3D%22%23FF0000%22%5DLAST EDITED ON Jan-29-03 AT 01%3A12 AM %28ET%29%5B%2Ffont%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AI converted it to HTML but than it wanted a web page.  While%2C If anyone want copies of the pictures of the Battle flags%2C they wouldhave to E-mail me%2C and I would E-mail the pictures to them.  I do not have a web page and since I am using my employer%27s computer will not make a web page.   %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A|17
19|5|black history month|noiretblu||13:59:41|02/02/2003|%3Akick%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|18
20|6|kick|newyawker99||10:07:06|02/03/2003|%3Akick%3A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%5Bhr%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fcards.webshots.com%2Fresources2%2F9%2F6689_t.gif http%3A%2F%2Frezepte.nit.at%2Fanimierte_gifs%2Fsmilies%2Fsmiley_in_mikrowelle.gif%0D%0A%5Bhr%5D%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2Fduforum%2FImages%2Fdonkey.gif http%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2Fduforum%2FImages%2Fdonkey.gif  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2Fduforum%2FImages%2Fdonkey.gif  http%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2Fduforum%2FImages%2Fdonkey.gif  %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bb%5D%5Bfont size%3D2 font color%3D000000%5D%0D%0A%22Don%27t walk behind me%3B I may not lead. Don%27t walk in front of me%3B I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend.%22 Albert Camus%5B%2Fb%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|19
22|1|A Republican Party response to being labled %22the Party of the Negro%22|noiretblu||14:33:53|02/07/2003|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iath.virginia.edu%2Fvcdh%2Fafam%2Fpolitics%2Fparty.html%0D%0Ainteresting story about racial poltics in virginia in the early part of the last century.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe %22Lily White%22 Movement%3A A Republican Party response to being labled %22the Party of the Negro%22%0D%0ADespite continual African-American support%2C the Republican party increased efforts to recover white votes through a %22lily white%22 movement. The Republican party proclaimed that it was a white man%27s party and had no room to accomodate African Americans. In %22WILL IT WORK%2C%22 published August 13%2C 1900%2C The Daily Progress questioned the feasibility and fairness of excluding African Americans from the Republican Party. %0D%0ADuring this period%2C J.H. Rives%2C M.L. Price%2C and other Republican leaders wrote letters expressing %22lily white%22 sentiments and frustrations towards the Democratic party which relentlessly continued to play the race card against the Republican party. %0D%0A%0D%0AThe African-American Republican leaders felt the full effects of the %22lily white%22 movement when they%2C along with their delegation%2C were barred from the Republican Congressional Convention held at Luray in July%2C 1922. Charlottesville sent two delegations to this convention. One%2C led by R.N. Flannagan %28President of the Henry Anderson Independent Club%29%2C was all white. The other%2C led by City Chairman L.W. Cox%2C included four African Americans. The convention decided to dismiss the Cox delegation and seat the %22lily-white%22 faction of Charlottesville%27s Republicans. For more details see%3A %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0
23|1|Shout out to Noiretblu%21|undergroundrailroad||18:19:24|02/07/2003|Thank you for your hard work and contributions to this forum%21%0D%0A%0D%0ABest wishes%2C%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AUndergroundrailroad%0D%0ADU Moderator%2FCivil Rights%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bmarquee%5D%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fsocaldemocrat.freeservers.com%2Fslide_shows%2Fdu_friends%2Fengine.gif http%3A%2F%2Fsocaldemocrat.freeservers.com%2Fslide_shows%2Fdu_friends%2Fu.gif http%3A%2F%2Fsocaldemocrat.freeservers.com%2Fslide_shows%2Fdu_friends%2Fg.gif http%3A%2F%2Fsocaldemocrat.freeservers.com%2Fslide_shows%2Fdu_friends%2Fr.gif http%3A%2F%2Fsocaldemocrat.freeservers.com%2Fslide_shows%2Fdu_friends%2Fr.gif http%3A%2F%2Fsocaldemocrat.freeservers.com%2Fslide_shows%2Fdu_friends%2Fcaboose.gif%5Bmarquee%5D%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A|0
24|2|thanks%2C UGGR|noiretblu||21:41:21|02/09/2003|this sorry chapter in america%27s history needs to be better understood.  i will be posting here all month %3Ahi%3A %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|23
25|3|I agree%21  |undergroundrailroad||06:27:33|02/11/2003|You are the greatest%21%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AUGRR %3Ahi%3A|24
26|1|Lynching and Jim Crow Enforcement|noiretblu||00:43:41|02/18/2003|Lynchings were most common in small and middle-sized towns where Blacks often were economic competitors to the local Whites. These Whites resented any economic and political gains made by Blacks. Lynchers were seldomly arrested%2C and if arrested%2C rarely convicted. Raper estimated that %22at least one-half of the lynchings are carried out with police officers participating%2C and that in nine-tenths of the others the officers either condone or wink at the mob action.%226 Lynching served many purposes%3A it was cheap entertainment%3B it served as a rallying%2C uniting point for Whites%3B it functioned as an ego-massage for low-income%2C low-status Whites%3B it was a method of defending White domination and helped stop or retard the fledgling social equality movement.%0D%0A%0D%0ALynch mobs directed their hatred against one %28sometimes several%29 victims. The victim was an example of what happened to a Black man who tried to vote%2C or who looked at a White woman%2C or who tried to get a White man%27s job. Unfortunately for Blacks%2C sometimes the mob was not satisfied to murder a single or several victims. Instead%2C in the spirit of pogroms%2C the mobs went into Black communities and destroyed additional lives and property. Their immediate goal was to drive out -- through death or expulsion -- all Blacks%3B the larger goal was to maintain%2C at all costs%2C White supremacy. These pogrom-like actions are often referred to as riots%3B however%2C Gunnar Myrdal was right when he described these %22riots%22 as %22a terrorization or massacre...a mass lynching.%227 Interestingly%2C these mass lynchings were primarily urban phenomena%2C whereas the lynching of single victims was primarily a rural phenomena%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.ferris.edu%2Fnews%2Fjimcrow%2Fwhat.htm%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|0
28|2|The National List by state %28of lynchings between 1865-1965%29|Solly Mack||23:34:58|02/20/2003|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FColosseum%2FBase%2F8507%2FNLPlaces1.htm%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5DEdelweiss Pirates-learn about them. %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|26
29|3|thanks%2C solly...great site|noiretblu||14:46:03|02/22/2003|bookmarked it %3AD  also the %22without sanctuary%22 site is a great resource for information on lynching.  though the majority of lynching victims were blacks%2C not all were...%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|28
30|1|amazing the number of %22intermarriage%22 laws%21|shugah||23:33:33|02/23/2003|seems most states had a JC %28any significance in initials%2C i wonder%3F%29 law about %22intermarriage.%22  i find it hard to believe%2C based on the prejudice and %22keeping the coloreds in their place%22 that there was much chance or opportunity for black people and white people to meet%2C fall in love%2C and get married.  more than a little bit of paranoia contributes to racism%2C doesn%27t it%3F  %0D%0A%0D%0Ai%27m just beginning to digest some of the links you have posted%2C noiretblu.  %22intermarriage%22 %28what kind of a crap word is that%3F%29 may just catch my attention more than anything else because of my multicultural family.  and%2C i pretty much know what the fate of a black man would have been in those outlawed marriages%2C but i wonder what became of the illegal wife%2C and what kids they might have had%3F%0D%0A%0D%0A  well%2C i%27ve just gotten %22really started%22 on this thread%2C so i hope you%27ll bear with me while my thoughts ruminate%21%0D%0A%0D%0A  great thread%2C noiretblu%21  my thanks to you for researching and posting it%21  %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D war is not healthy for children and other living things.  another mother for peace.%5B%2Ffont%5D|0
31|1|DON%27T USE THE SOUTH AS A MORAL LIGHTNING ROD|Pocho||10:22:15|02/24/2003|to deflect and absorb northern guilt. Rather%2C use it as a mirror in order to view the nation as a whole%2C as it was and at roots still is. %0D%0A%0D%0AAn extensive summary of my own limited views and experience with civil rights south and north and the movement to establish them can be had from the second link found in %5Ba href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fduforum%2Fduboard.cgi%3Faz%3Dshow_thread%26om%3D1464%26forum%3DDCForumID25%22%5Dthis post%5B%2Fa%5D.  %0D%0A%0D%0AThanks for this thread noiretblue. There%27s work to be done%2C so let us continue to do what the spirit say do. |0
33|2|jim crow was a national phenonmenon |noiretblu||16:47:51|02/24/2003|i made a separate post in this thread to make clear that it wasn%27t just a %22southern%22 experience%2C contrary to much popular opinion.  thanks for your comment%2C pocho.  %0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333333%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fblack_and_blu.gif%0D%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Fpoetry%2Fnoiretblu%2Fimages%2Fgksmall2.gif%0D%0ANorthern California Chapter%0D%0A%5Bfont color%3D%22%23333433%22 size%3D%221%22 face%3D%22Verdana%22%5D%0D%0A%5Bb%5DIn politics nothing happens by accident. If it happened%2C you can bet it was planned that way.%0D%0AFranklin Delano Roosevelt%5B%2Fb%5D %0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5B%2Ffont%5D|31