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Pocho Donating Member (1604 posts) Click to EMail Pocho Click to send private message to Pocho Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-08-03, 09:26 PM (ET)
BIG MISTAKE IN MY OPINION
I just read the thread that resulted in the tombstoning of God-Bush-and-Cheney (or whatever). It seems clear to me he was not booted for on board behavior but rather for expression of beliefs.

I think I did use an alert once. Don't remember the circumstances. Don't use it anymore. It's like passing notes behind one's back. Not at all condusive of open discussion. I'd like to see a function such that alertees recieve a copy of alerts relative to their postings.

Pocho

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Thanks, Pocho, I wish I'd had the courage to post this, too greatauntoftriplets Jan-08-03 1
 THE THREAD REFERED TO ABOVE WAS AS BELOW Pocho Jan-08-03 2
   Thanks Pocho--and congrats! librechik 01/08/2003 3
 Yes Cheswick Jan-08-03 4
   REINSTATE GOD Bush N Cheney!!! seventhson 01/08/2003 5
 It's awful easy during these times to not be as nice as you'd like Mr_SmokesTooMuch Jan-08-03 6
 Not a mistake. Skinner Jan-09-03 7
   His "reincarnation" Skinner 01/09/2003 8
   I never saw it, so can't comment on his being rude. Sophia4Truth 01/09/2003 9
       People who get banned Skinner 01/09/2003 10
           Thank you. Sophia4Truth 01/09/2003 11
               Well, Skinner 01/09/2003 12
                   mine don't disappear Sophia4Truth 01/09/2003 14
                       I am aware of many threats. (nt) Skinner 01/09/2003 15
               I'm sorry I got that wrong, Sophia khephra 01/10/2003 20
                   Thank you for clarifying Kephra. Sophia4Truth 01/10/2003 21
           Re: PMs StlMo 01/09/2003 13
               You're probably switching computers Skinner 01/09/2003 16
                   neither is my case. Sophia4Truth 01/09/2003 17
                       That reply was for StlMo. (nt) Skinner 01/09/2003 18
                   Deleted cookies are probably the cause. (Not intentional deleting, bu... StlMo 01/09/2003 19
                       Also Sophia Forkboy 01/11/2003 22

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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (2275 posts) Click to EMail greatauntoftriplets Click to send private message to greatauntoftriplets Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-08-03, 09:31 PM (ET)
1. Thanks, Pocho, I wish I'd had the courage to post this, too
You're a better man than I am.

I am in 100 percent agreement.

Long live god_bush_and-cheney!

Yuck Bush!!!!

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Pocho Donating Member (1604 posts) Click to EMail Pocho Click to send private message to Pocho Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-08-03, 09:31 PM (ET)
2. THE THREAD REFERED TO ABOVE WAS AS BELOW
for any who give a damn.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=26198&forum=DCForumID60

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librechik Donating Member (2349 posts) Click to EMail librechik Click to send private message to librechik Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-08-03, 09:56 PM (ET)
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3. Thanks Pocho--and congrats!
Exactly 1600 posts!

BTW welcome back!

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Cheswick Donating Member (4203 posts) Click to EMail Cheswick Click to send private message to Cheswick Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-08-03, 10:15 PM (ET)
4. Yes

I saw nothing abusive or against the rules about GBNC's posts. It seems that he was tombstoned because he had the nerve to disagree with certain DU members. Some of the sites he used were right wing, but the initial information came from VVAW which is a left wing organization. Kerry did do what the articles claimed, he held up legislation he didn't agree with. Relations with VN were normalized and his cousin did end up profiting from it. Those are the facts. So why was GBNC banned?
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seventhson (1084 posts) Click to EMail seventhson Click to send private message to seventhson Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-08-03, 10:19 PM (ET)
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5. REINSTATE GOD Bush N Cheney!!!
NOW!!!!!!!

Please?

He was framed.

Salaam/Shalom and Peace Out!!!
Gore in '04!!!

“I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I WAS TARGETED, BUT I certainly know that human rights activists are targeted,”“It’s a small story that tells the larger story of what’s happening..." THE LATE SENATOR PAUL WELLSTONE commenting on reports that he was the target of an assassination attempt in December 2000.

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Mr_SmokesTooMuch Donating Member (3660 posts) Click to EMail Mr_SmokesTooMuch Click to send private message to Mr_SmokesTooMuch Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-08-03, 10:20 PM (ET)
6. It's awful easy during these times to not be as nice as you'd like
nerves are raw, I mean face it, many of us feel like we are seeing our country destroyed right infront of our eyes. that is not an easy thing to take.

If being uncivil or disagreeable was grounds for banning I think this board would be empty sometimes.

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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (6799 posts) Click to EMail Skinner Click to send private message to Skinner Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 08:45 AM (ET)
7. Not a mistake.
We try not to discuss banning decisions, but there seems to be a fair amount of misinformation here so I'll put in my two cents.

When you've got over 1000 posts, you don't get banned because of one thread, and to be honest the thread referenced above hardly even had an impact on the decision.

Here's what really mattered. The member in question:

- was exceptionally rude to almost every DUer he disagreed with
- broke the civility rules on a daily basis
- constantly posted flame bait
- was dismissive of moderators
- seemed to never have anything positive to contribute to the discussions here

As much as people want to believe that it isn't true, we try to enforce the rules whether you've got 10 posts or 10,000 posts.

We have safeguards in place to keep people from getting banned arbitrarily. Whenever there is a tough call to be made, we require that the moderators come to a consensus whether action is justified. The moderators present the evidence (positive and negative), including deleted posts that are no longer available to the general public.

Not a single moderator thought that this person should stay. That's very unusual. Usually on the difficult calls, at least one or two moderators will express concerns. Nobody could even come up with a reason why he should stay. And IMHO, we've got an extremely smart, experienced, and fair group of moderators right now.

So he was banned.

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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (6799 posts) Click to EMail Skinner Click to send private message to Skinner Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 11:32 AM (ET)
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8. His "reincarnation"
was also banned.
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Sophia4Truth Donating Member (2028 posts) Click to EMail Sophia4Truth Click to send private message to Sophia4Truth Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 01:57 PM (ET)
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9. I never saw it, so can't comment on his being rude.
I'm just relieved it wasn't because of a controversial topic.. some would call "flame bait". How do you determine if it is or not? I'd hate to be banned for posting an article that was contrary to popular belief.. even if the freepers are espousing it. (btw: thankful my own wasn't deleted.. or myself banned for posting it)

I'm sorry that gbnc was banned. I know him from a different board where I've never seen him guilty of the "crimes" reported here. DU seems to bring the worst out in a lot of people, so it seems.

If you ban someone and they come under a different moniker.. do you automatically ban them again? For instance, RoxanneJ who is now DemActivist? And can you keep track of them? Since they keep coming back under different monikers?

Also. If someone has been banned for the reasons you stated gbnc was... can they appeal by apologizing and promising not to do it anymore? Can he be reinstated?

And rather than start a new thread, I'd like to know why deleted messages in my Private Messages keep coming back.. sometimes a week later.. I try to keep only a couple of PM's that have links in them for future reference and throw out the "trash".. but someone keeps throwing it all back in the box... making me clean it up again.

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush (December 18, 2000)


http://www.9-11conspiracy.org/
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (6799 posts) Click to EMail Skinner Click to send private message to Skinner Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 02:13 PM (ET)
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10. People who get banned
LAST EDITED ON Jan-09-03 AT 02:15 PM (ET)

are re-banned when they return under a different name.

The RoxanneJ situation was slightly different, since she left the message board of her own free will, and then insisted that we shut off her account.

As for re-instating people, we have done it in the past, and will continue to do so when we feel an individual is capable of following our rules.

I have no idea why deleted messages are showing up again in your inbox. I have never heard anyone else have this problem.

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Sophia4Truth Donating Member (2028 posts) Click to EMail Sophia4Truth Click to send private message to Sophia4Truth Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 02:20 PM (ET)
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11. Thank you.
gbnc isn't a "bad" guy.. maybe an angry guy.. I don't know. I'd like to see him come back.

It was Kephra who told me RoxanneJ was banned. She's a threat to DU'ers since she posted personal info on them on her own board.. A list of about 100 people. (I'll send it if you want proof)

Don't understand the PM's coming back either.. where do they go once they're deleted?

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush (December 18, 2000)


http://www.9-11conspiracy.org/
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (6799 posts) Click to EMail Skinner Click to send private message to Skinner Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 02:41 PM (ET)
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12. Well,
typically we don't ban people for misbehavior on a different message board. Please don't send me the proof.

When messages get deleted, they don't go anywhere. They just disappear.

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Sophia4Truth Donating Member (2028 posts) Click to EMail Sophia4Truth Click to send private message to Sophia4Truth Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 02:47 PM (ET)
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14. mine don't disappear
the dog keeps dragging it back in??? The way it happens is I'll come to DU and it says I have messages in my inbox... only to find it FULL of past PM's that were deleted... but no new messages.

oh well. Thanks for responding

(I'm aware you can't do anything about what someone does on another board. Just be aware there's a threat, please?)

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush (December 18, 2000)


http://www.9-11conspiracy.org/
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (6799 posts) Click to EMail Skinner Click to send private message to Skinner Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 02:50 PM (ET)
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15. I am aware of many threats. (nt)
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khephra Donating Member (26891 posts) Click to EMail khephra Click to send private message to khephra Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-10-03, 03:40 AM (ET)
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20. I'm sorry I got that wrong, Sophia
Brain fart when typing. So sorry! I knew she hadn't been banned at first, but I was mistakenly under the impression that she had eventually been banned.

I seem to be making a lot of mistakes recently. In my defense, I have to say I have a lot on my mind with my personal life at the moment.




"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant."

John Stuart Mill


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Sophia4Truth Donating Member (2028 posts) Click to EMail Sophia4Truth Click to send private message to Sophia4Truth Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-10-03, 03:51 AM (ET)
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21. Thank you for clarifying Kephra.
I wouldn't even want ROXANNE to be accused falsely. Mistakes are understandable

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush (December 18, 2000)


http://www.9-11conspiracy.org/
GATHERING INFO. HELP CONTRIBUTE.
In honor of EWING's LIHOP. Find out what it means.

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StlMo (999 posts) Click to EMail StlMo Click to send private message to StlMo Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 02:42 PM (ET)
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13. Re: PMs
Every once in a while, PMs I've already opened show up as new mail.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (6799 posts) Click to EMail Skinner Click to send private message to Skinner Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 02:51 PM (ET)
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16. You're probably switching computers
or deleting your cookies.
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Sophia4Truth Donating Member (2028 posts) Click to EMail Sophia4Truth Click to send private message to Sophia4Truth Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 02:59 PM (ET)
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17. neither is my case.
I never delete the DU cookie..and don't switch computers. I'm automatically logged on when I come to DU.. except when I would log off to read Will Pitts posts.

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush (December 18, 2000)


http://www.9-11conspiracy.org/
GATHERING INFO. HELP CONTRIBUTE.
In honor of EWING's LIHOP. Find out what it means.

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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (6799 posts) Click to EMail Skinner Click to send private message to Skinner Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 03:02 PM (ET)
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18. That reply was for StlMo. (nt)
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StlMo (999 posts) Click to EMail StlMo Click to send private message to StlMo Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-09-03, 03:03 PM (ET)
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19. Deleted cookies are probably the cause. (Not intentional deleting, but software issues)
I didn’t know the information was stored in the cookie (I thought it was on the server).
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Forkboy (2498 posts) Click to EMail Forkboy Click to send private message to Forkboy Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jan-11-03, 02:24 PM (ET)
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22. Also Sophia
mine (Pm's that is) also stayed after deleting,but it's because I was hitting the Back button after deleting instead of just clicking on the Forums button up top.They stay gone then,at least for me

To all the terror of fathers and kings
To all the little dictators that shit on everything thats good
To the whiners and the cryers, the screamers and the liars
To the hypocrites who can't live up to all the things they talk about
To the guilty and the proud
I want to shout out loud
No means no! - NoMeansNo

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